WT have an identity crisis...

[happy_tiger]

i just checked the map. Bankstown is 10 minutes closer to Campbelltown than Lidcombe. Just make us the Sydney Tigers. So Sydney has two teams. South Sydney has one. Parramatta City has one when they merge with Penrith. (32 mins drive) StGeorge Illawarra Cronulla merger are the racist, white bread , we grew here you flew here team. Newcastle is the genuine aussie article .Manly is the team everyone hates. Queensland has three and The Warriors are where the Polys who miss their mums play. And Melbourne makes 12 . Simples. Look at the map!

We go back to a 12 team comp and the WT's are dust

 

[Tigerdave]

"They just don't have the fanbase and the support."

............we have one of the largest fanbases......

"Don't let your juniors go," Johns said.

"Moses, Tedesco, Brown, Woods, Papenhuyzen, Sironen, the list goes on."

pretty over these simplistic comments............Moses, Tedesco and Woods didn't want to stay, just for starters, secondly, we weren't winning much with them anyway were we???

Pap was given the go ahead to leave because we thought Teddy was staying, if Teddy was actually honest with the club, that may not have happened.

Siro was not playing well for us at all for whatever reason.

Unsure about Brown

"Johns took aim at both Mbye and five-eighth Josh Reynolds, who was recruited from Canterbury at the end of 2017, for net setting the club on "fire." "

And you can thank Ivan the backstabber for that one.

Yeah sure the club has made some big mistakes, but geeze, we've been taken advantage of by some as well.

 

[innsaneink]

"They just don't have the fanbase and the support."

............we have one of the largest fanbases......

"Don't let your juniors go," Johns said.

"Moses, Tedesco, Brown, Woods, Papenhuyzen, Sironen, the list goes on."

pretty over these simplistic comments............Moses, Tedesco and Woods didn't want to stay, just for starters, secondly, we weren't winning much with them anyway were we???

Pap was given the go ahead to leave because we thought Teddy was staying, if Teddy was actually honest with the club, that may not have happened.

Siro was not playing well for us at all for whatever reason.

Unsure about Brown

"Johns took aim at both Mbye and five-eighth Josh Reynolds, who was recruited from Canterbury at the end of 2017, for net setting the club on "fire." "

And you can thank Ivan the backstabber for that one.

Yeah sure the club has made some big mistakes, but geeze, we've been taken advantage of by some as well.

" they don't wanna stay'
"they're not playing well"

Something very wrong when they ARE playing well elsewhere and DO want to stay.... elsewhere

 

[the_third]

Has Anyone here ever looked at Wests Ashfield strategic plan.

https://westsashfield.com.au/about/strategic-plan/

ENHANCING HUMANITY
Our Vision of Success for the inner West is when
We are primarily known for our contribution to the inner-west community.

It’s had this in there for many years

 

[rustycage]

Perth, can we just take the opportunity before somebody else does. It's the right move tbh.

Who would run the club? Wests Ashfield still?

Wests Ashfield as owners should have the business nous to understand it's the right decision for the club to take the Perth opportunity. Opening an associated leagues club there isn't required but is an option. Or they could scout out some Perth investors to go in with, or even sell out to.

I'm sick of the mediocrity we need something totally fresh. The support we'd get from Perth, from the NRL, the media. It'd do wonders for us.

What you don't get is that Perth absolutely hates Rugby league. The crowds will not magically appear as you seem to think they will, the money won't either.

 

[cqtiger]

Have a look at the Liverpool thread. The cubs fans can't decide between Campbo, Liverpool,Parramatta, Homebush or Moore Park as our home ground or a combination of a few of them. But there's no identity problem?
I think its obvious there is one.

There lies the problem.

Give people multiple options for a home ground and people will choose what’s closest to home, easier to get to, the old Balmain home ground or the old Western Suburbs home ground etc.

Supporters need one home ground.

Our management need to decide where we should play ALL of our future home games.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I know what our identity is and I'm bit over people telling me otherwise. Fittler and Johns have an agenda and we should not be giving them any platform to air their crap.

Can anyone argue that what Johns' said is incorrect? No need to circle the wagons, we need to learn from post mistakes. And no one mention Tedesco was the priority because Papenhuyzen was only 70kgs! That infuriates me.


Who could have known Paps was gonna put on 10 kg and score an 85mt winning try against us? ?
WT have given so many players the motivation to do a job on us.

You brightened my mood with your reply!

 

[Flash089]

Yes the Wests Ashfield map shows their quite sensible strategic intent. Leave Campbelltown for a merged St George Illawarra-Cronulla. We can go as far as accepting the Dogs into our Inner West footprint as long as we can weed out the last of their troublesome supporters before any merger. Most of the habibi bogans went to the A-League Wanderers anyway. Good Plan!

 

[Telltails]

None of this seemed to be a problem in 2005/10/11 when we had a good roster and were playing good footy - who was screaming about lack of identity then? I dont care where we play from if it's about winning we need a quality roster. The current comp shows good teams will win whatever ground they play out of. Playing out of one ground assures you of nothing if your management is rubbish - the Titans have proved that Parramatta are a classic example of years poor off field management, and the Bulldogs are now experiencing what happens when your board
Is divided.
If the current management says we are an innerwest club and are setting up headquarters at Concord I don't get why some fans think tossing up Liverpool makes our identity any clearer as a Sydney a club?
Play all games out of ANZ to settle this whole corporate argument if that's what ensures your viability but if the team is not good enough it wont matter where we play we will still wont be there when it matters.

 

[Tigerdave]

"They just don't have the fanbase and the support."

............we have one of the largest fanbases......

"Don't let your juniors go," Johns said.

"Moses, Tedesco, Brown, Woods, Papenhuyzen, Sironen, the list goes on."

pretty over these simplistic comments............Moses, Tedesco and Woods didn't want to stay, just for starters, secondly, we weren't winning much with them anyway were we???

Pap was given the go ahead to leave because we thought Teddy was staying, if Teddy was actually honest with the club, that may not have happened.

Siro was not playing well for us at all for whatever reason.

Unsure about Brown

"Johns took aim at both Mbye and five-eighth Josh Reynolds, who was recruited from Canterbury at the end of 2017, for net setting the club on "fire." "

And you can thank Ivan the backstabber for that one.

Yeah sure the club has made some big mistakes, but geeze, we've been taken advantage of by some as well.

" they don't wanna stay'
"they're not playing well"

Something very wrong when they ARE playing well elsewhere and DO want to stay.... elsewhere

Yeah that's an issue in itself, but at the time they didn't want to stay and 3 of them certainly felt the need to hold the club to ransom and string us along.

Moses is only as good as everyone else around him, he's a great downhill skier. Woods, after leaving, really dropped off the radar. Teddy is certainly a loss, but nothing we could do with the sombrero.

Siro, yeah, clearly decent enough, but we've let other players go that have not gone forward in playing ability *cough* Esan...

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Freddie is spot on re Cambo and the greater west. That’s where the future is. It keeps growing and growing and growing and growing, It’s almost negligent at this stage that the club ignores it. It’s why I rarely waste my time anymore cos the club is not interested.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Yes the Wests Ashfield map shows their quite sensible strategic intent. Leave Campbelltown for a merged St George Illawarra-Cronulla. We can go as far as accepting the Dogs into our Inner West footprint as long as we can weed out the last of their troublesome supporters before any merger. Most of the habibi bogans went to the A-League Wanderers anyway. Good Plan!

Mate , how many more racist stereotypes do you want to throw around ? LOL the irony is lost on you , considering some of the things you’ve said

 

[BalmainJnr]

If we start winning and making the finals consistently we won’t see this sort of opinion being expressed by Freddie and the like.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Freddie is spot on re Cambo and the greater west. That’s where the future is. It keeps growing and growing and growing and growing, It’s almost negligent at this stage that the club ignores it. It’s why I rarely waste my time anymore cos the club is not interested.

I get your point , but there’s no money out there . The team would have to truely operate at a loss for like 10 years to engage the young kids with no prior affiliation. There’s no big end of town business , and it’s mainly young families who’ve overmortgaged .
Also the MacArthur FC team is set up in Gregory Hills near the pub , So I’d be curious to see , with all that new redevelopment there what kind of foothold they could grab. It doesn’t look good though, some of the brand new shops that went in a year ago , are now vacant including a huge homemaker centre with for lease signs everywhere .
I just don’t see it , setting up in the middle of suburbia .
Prime example is New York . All thier teams are based in the city , yet most people live outside Manhattan, in New Jersey , Staten Island , Long Island etc .
Until Sydney wises up and starts to realise that driving 2 hrs to go to a building just because it’s next to other buildings , because that’s the way it’s always been , makes zero sense , then we are going to have to continue with things like the COE in Concord .
I’d love to have a huge base in Ctown/ Narrellan corridor , that actually engages the community. But we would go bankrupt before we could make it a reality .

 

[Newtown]

The quote that stood out was they do not have the fan base or support .. this from a Roosters great . The reason there is no identity the decision makers have been derelict in there actions to bringing the supporter base together , they have done everything they could to divide and pander to various sections of the supporter base to play at multi home grounds for 20 seasons .

I agree .

But i also love joeys comment....
“ Responding to Fittler's comments, rugby league immortal Andrew Johns took aim at the club for not hanging on to their juniors after the likes of James Tedesco, Mitchell Moses and Aaron Woods all departed in recent time.
"Don't let your juniors go," Johns said.
"Moses, Tedesco, Brown, Woods, Papenhuyzen, Sironen, the list goes on."

Simple hey.

Yeah ... especially when they don’t want to stay ?

Yes, especially when clubs like Roosters can offer a player a choice of a new Mercedes, Bently or Rolls Royce as a "gift" to play for them.

 

[gallagher]

Perth, can we just take the opportunity before somebody else does. It's the right move tbh.

Who would run the club? Wests Ashfield still?

Wests Ashfield as owners should have the business nous to understand it's the right decision for the club to take the Perth opportunity. Opening an associated leagues club there isn't required but is an option. Or they could scout out some Perth investors to go in with, or even sell out to.

I'm sick of the mediocrity we need something totally fresh. The support we'd get from Perth, from the NRL, the media. It'd do wonders for us.

What you don't get is that Perth absolutely hates Rugby league. The crowds will not magically appear as you seem to think they will, the money won't either.

I sat in optus stadium last year with 60k other people hating state of origin.

 

[diedpretty]

Has Anyone here ever looked at Wests Ashfield strategic plan.

https://westsashfield.com.au/about/strategic-plan/

ENHANCING HUMANITY
Our Vision of Success for the inner West is when
We are primarily known for our contribution to the inner-west community.

It’s had this in there for many years

Yea but they also say their vision for rugba league is a " clear, communicated and understood strategy ". They have certainly failed in that area.

 

[gallagher]

If we start winning and making the finals consistently we won’t see this sort of opinion being expressed by Freddie and the like.

That sort of puts to bed the theory that the chooks have no fans.

 

[diedpretty]

Perth, can we just take the opportunity before somebody else does. It's the right move tbh.

Who would run the club? Wests Ashfield still?

Wests Ashfield as owners should have the business nous to understand it's the right decision for the club to take the Perth opportunity. Opening an associated leagues club there isn't required but is an option. Or they could scout out some Perth investors to go in with, or even sell out to.

I'm sick of the mediocrity we need something totally fresh. The support we'd get from Perth, from the NRL, the media. It'd do wonders for us.

What you don't get is that Perth absolutely hates Rugby league. The crowds will not magically appear as you seem to think they will, the money won't either.

I sat in optus stadium last year with 60k other people hating state of origin.

Thats an event not a club game. Same as Melbourne Cup draws 100k - half of them wouldn't know a horses nose from its butt.

 

[gallagher]

Perth, can we just take the opportunity before somebody else does. It's the right move tbh.

Who would run the club? Wests Ashfield still?

Wests Ashfield as owners should have the business nous to understand it's the right decision for the club to take the Perth opportunity. Opening an associated leagues club there isn't required but is an option. Or they could scout out some Perth investors to go in with, or even sell out to.

I'm sick of the mediocrity we need something totally fresh. The support we'd get from Perth, from the NRL, the media. It'd do wonders for us.

What you don't get is that Perth absolutely hates Rugby league. The crowds will not magically appear as you seem to think they will, the money won't either.

I sat in optus stadium last year with 60k other people hating state of origin.


Thats an event not a club game. Same as Melbourne Cup draws 100k - half of them wouldn't know a horses nose from its butt.

But they hate the game? Any game that comes here gets 15k plus.