Xerri Stood Down after Drug Test

[Cultured_Bogan]

He should get zero discount on his suspension simply for admitting to it, youth or not. The only way he should get some sort of consideration is if it's rife and he brings down the house of cards.

Just because he's young he should get a break? Yeah, nah, then all young athletes will be able to use that excuse and there'll be a negligible risk for plenty to gain.

Sorry but I disagree on this approach. I view this as a failure of the club. It is difficult to forgive after their last experience with ASADA.

We will just have to agree to disagree there. Setting a low penalty on young offenders sets a precedent. They can take PED's to give them a leg up against other young players vying to get into first grade and they only risk a 6 month penalty in court once they are already established in the game and effectively cheated to get there? There's still everything to gain in that situation for minimal penalty.

The club has to be punished as well for sure, but the individual should not escape severe penalties either.

 

[Geo]

Don't Asada set the penalties...?

 

[Russell]

The point is - he was caught.

He didn't admit anything until he was caught. therefore it is not an admission.

He needs to face full punishment. No reduction.

I am also against criminal cases e.g. where an offender gets 10 years and could get out after 4 with good behaviour. NO!

You get sentenced to ten years - you do ten years if you produce good behaviour. If you don't, maybe you will face a longer term.

Sick of people getting off wit menial sentencing.

 

[gallagher]

No leniency for cheats. Simple.

 

[supercoach]

The point is - he was caught.

He didn't admit anything until he was caught. therefore it is not an admission.

He needs to face full punishment. No reduction.

I am also against criminal cases e.g. where an offender gets 10 years and could get out after 4 with good behaviour. NO!

You get sentenced to ten years - you do ten years if you produce good behaviour. If you don't, maybe you will face a longer term.

Sick of people getting off with menial sentencing.

Has he admitted anything? I thought he said in his press release that could not say anything at this stage.

If guilty and that will either be when the B sample results come back positive or he puts his hand up and admits to the crime.

Now if found guilty and not cooperating with the authorities he must get four years. Now if he exposes suppliers and other cheats he could probably expect a 50% deduction. Age should not come into consideration and probably will not.

Although this is all in the hands of ASADA, I for once have some confidence that what ever input the NRL have will be fair and strong, unlike the days of Toddy

 

[Russell]

Doesn't matter if he admits to it now - he has been caught.

Whether he is found guilty or not/ we will find out after the 'B' sample results come out.

 

[innsaneink]

When do we get B results?

 

[Cairnstigers]

I'm sure he new the risks
I'm also sure no one forced him to take these drugs
And he would have known the consequences if he was to be caught
Fact is he tried to cheat in the NRL and he knows it
He was looking for an unfair advantage and may have had that last year already
The NRL needs a clean up from top to bottom and that is happening
We got rid of Toddy
We are working on cleaning up the refereeing of our game
Now we need to clean up the players
Time to set a stern example for the rest
Do the crime do the time
I am sure there is more to come on this story
There will be other names
Let's see if anyone mysteriously gets dropped in this round

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

 

[Nelson]

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

I'm sure the club does have a duty of care but that does not mean they assume all responsibility for his actions. He could easily have been influenced by dodgy mates or family or made his own decision to seek out these types of substances because he didn't want his career being slowed down by injury. How are his coach and trainers supposed to monitor his every act? Unless they're blood testing him or he's showing overt signs of substance abuse they really have no way of knowing. I'm not sure what measures you think the club could have taken to prevent a player taking substances outside of the club's grounds of his own volition (which for all we know at this stage could have been the scenario).
I can't see PVL doing anything to punish the Sharks unless they are somehow implicated in evidence yet to be revealed. I don't see why it should have been incumbent on them (as distinct from any other club) to implement a testing regime over and above the ASADA regime. If the NRL want to introduce that then it has to be across the board, and I'm pretty sure the RLPA would not be keen on subjecting its members to further intrusive blood testing.

 

[JD Tiger]

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

Sharks still see themselves as innocent in all this. It's disgusting. I doubt they put any measures in place, at all. Totally agree and think that V'landys should come down hard on Xerri and the club.

I propose that where any player is caught to be tested positive to illegal drugs, and player gets in trouble through ASADA as he/she should, but also the club gets heavily penalised through the NRL. Something like a massive fine and competition points. For really, the club had an unfair advantage whilst that player was playing for them, and for how long they had that advantage is unknown, so we have to assume it was for a substantial amount of time. So 20 competition points per player caught with illegal performance enhancing drugs in their system. That's about half a year's worth. That sort of penalty will make the clubs a lot more accountable.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

I'm sure the club does have a duty of care but that does not mean they assume all responsibility for his actions. He could easily have been influenced by dodgy mates or family or made his own decision to seek out these types of substances because he didn't want his career being slowed down by injury. How are his coach and trainers supposed to monitor his every act? Unless they're blood testing him or he's showing overt signs of substance abuse they really have no way of knowing. I'm not sure what measures you think the club could have taken to prevent a player taking substances outside of the club's grounds of his own volition (which for all we know at this stage could have been the scenario).
I can't see PVL doing anything to punish the Sharks unless they are somehow implicated in evidence yet to be revealed. I don't see why it should have been incumbent on them (as distinct from any other club) to implement a testing regime over and above the ASADA regime. If the NRL want to introduce that then it has to be across the board, and I'm pretty sure the RLPA would not be keen on subjecting its members to further intrusive blood testing.

It is noticeable how solid he had become in the shoulders and chest in a reasonably short period of time following shoulder surgery. This is a teenager with not many NRL games experience. In addition, his sprint Coach made comment of his increase in pace over other NRL players from other clubs who themselves are quick. All in all, more than enough for an NRL coach and professional staff to have that chat with the player.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

Sharks still see themselves as innocent in all this. It's disgusting. I doubt they put any measures in place, at all. Totally agree and think that V'landys should come down hard on Xerri and the club.

I propose that where any player is caught to be tested positive to illegal drugs, and player gets in trouble through ASADA as he/she should, but also the club gets heavily penalised through the NRL. Something like a massive fine and competition points. For really, the club had an unfair advantage whilst that player was playing for them, and for how long they had that advantage is unknown, so we have to assume it was for a substantial amount of time. So 20 competition points per player caught with illegal performance enhancing drugs in their system. That's about half a year's worth. That sort of penalty will make the clubs a lot more accountable.

Your suggestion is good because a club cannot simply ignore what is happening.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

Absolutely they do. It does not absolve Xerri of his misdoings.

 

[JD Tiger]

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

Sharks still see themselves as innocent in all this. It's disgusting. I doubt they put any measures in place, at all. Totally agree and think that V'landys should come down hard on Xerri and the club.

I propose that where any player is caught to be tested positive to illegal drugs, and player gets in trouble through ASADA as he/she should, but also the club gets heavily penalised through the NRL. Something like a massive fine and competition points. For really, the club had an unfair advantage whilst that player was playing for them, and for how long they had that advantage is unknown, so we have to assume it was for a substantial amount of time. So 20 competition points per player caught with illegal performance enhancing drugs in their system. That's about half a year's worth. That sort of penalty will make the clubs a lot more accountable.

Your suggestion is good because a club cannot simply ignore what is happening.

That being said, a major problem I had with Greenburg and the way he ran things was that he'd make the rules up after someone had broken them and then apply them in retrospect.

Ideally here, V'landys should work out a strong strict punishment for clubs in this situation moving forward, and then apply maybe a half measure to the Sharks (or any club) who have broken the rules before they were the rules. Does that make sense?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

Absolutely they do. It does not absolve Xerri of his misdoings.

Xerris should be punished. The club should have picked up on this and the potential outcome could have been better.

 

[Geo]

NRL Clubs do there own testing outside of ASADA...what does that tell you...

 

[JD Tiger]

NRL Clubs do there own testing outside of ASADA...what does that tell you...

Makes me question again the 'shoulder injury' Xerri had in Rounds 1 and 2 like someone already posted.

 

[Nelson]

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

I'm sure the club does have a duty of care but that does not mean they assume all responsibility for his actions. He could easily have been influenced by dodgy mates or family or made his own decision to seek out these types of substances because he didn't want his career being slowed down by injury. How are his coach and trainers supposed to monitor his every act? Unless they're blood testing him or he's showing overt signs of substance abuse they really have no way of knowing. I'm not sure what measures you think the club could have taken to prevent a player taking substances outside of the club's grounds of his own volition (which for all we know at this stage could have been the scenario).
I can't see PVL doing anything to punish the Sharks unless they are somehow implicated in evidence yet to be revealed. I don't see why it should have been incumbent on them (as distinct from any other club) to implement a testing regime over and above the ASADA regime. If the NRL want to introduce that then it has to be across the board, and I'm pretty sure the RLPA would not be keen on subjecting its members to further intrusive blood testing.

It is noticeable how solid he had become in the shoulders and chest in a reasonably short period of time following shoulder surgery. This is a teenager with not many NRL games experience. In addition, his sprint Coach made comment of his increase in pace over other NRL players from other clubs who themselves are quick. All in all, more than enough for an NRL coach and professional staff to have that chat with the player.

He's 19 and training professionally, it's not necessarily outside the norm that he would bulk up significantly or improve his pace. Plenty do so naturally at that age and some do at even younger ages. So someone from the club should have gone up to him and by implication or otherwise suggested he was juicing, and then expected him to give an honest response if he was? That seems a little unrealistic to me.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Does anyone else agree a review needs to be undertaken into what measures were put in place by the Sharks following the peptides saga ? I would imagine if measures were in place, why was their star 19 year old centre able to use this type of drug without being detected by his coach and other professional trainers?

The club has a duty of care and potentially this is the end of this teenagers career. The outcome could have been potentially so much better had the club detected the use and voluntarily approached ASADA to make a deal. I think Peter Vlandys has a big decision to make about the.Sharks.

Sharks still see themselves as innocent in all this. It's disgusting. I doubt they put any measures in place, at all. Totally agree and think that V'landys should come down hard on Xerri and the club.

I propose that where any player is caught to be tested positive to illegal drugs, and player gets in trouble through ASADA as he/she should, but also the club gets heavily penalised through the NRL. Something like a massive fine and competition points. For really, the club had an unfair advantage whilst that player was playing for them, and for how long they had that advantage is unknown, so we have to assume it was for a substantial amount of time. So 20 competition points per player caught with illegal performance enhancing drugs in their system. That's about half a year's worth. That sort of penalty will make the clubs a lot more accountable.

Your suggestion is good because a club cannot simply ignore what is happening.

That being said, a major problem I had with Greenburg and the way he ran things was that he'd make the rules up after someone had broken them and then apply them in retrospect.

Ideally here, V'landys should work out a strong strict punishment for clubs in this situation moving forward, and then apply maybe a half measure to the Sharks (or any club) who have broken the rules before they were the rules. Does that make sense?

I believe Vlandys needs to intervene because the optics are atrocious. He'd find it difficult if not impossible to apply a law retrospectively but he must have some mechanism to investigate. The Shire is not that big and some seem to have knowledge.