Yileen Gordon released

[LCA]

Perhaps Mayer should be more mindful who he is sending to the schools. Sending someone with a chequered past who has only been in the place five minutes shows a lack of foresight on his part. Agree with the decision but one needs to ask why did they send him in the first place ?

Are you serious??? You really think ostricising a player in front of the rest of the team will make him feel wanted at the club? Get a clue Knuckles, that's an early contender for silliest post of the year.

I think your reply is more of a contender, Willow! Can you please tell me, what exactly are they trying to achieve by this? Is it some sort of "brownie points" for being community minded? Then surely Mayer and others can set the guys up to be successful by choosing events that match the capacity and ability of the players, rather than some blanket agenda like "tackling bullying". Sure, get those who are genuine role models in that arena and who can inspire a group of kids/adolescents through their reputation as well as their communication ability, but please don't assume such a sensitive and important issue can be canvassed by every player in some sort of rostered basis. When Yillen Gordon signed with the Tigers was it made clear that he would be used by the club in such a way? Did anyone assess his skills to do that role? Or did they just carve up the squad and send them to different venues hoping that nobody would stuff up? It seems amateurish and opportunistic to me. And, in my opinion, that's not good enough for this club.

IQ's must have dropped 10 points around here all of a sudden :brick: All club players are required to do community work on behalf of not only the club, but the NRL. Despite Gordon's apparent "joke", he's not mentally retarded and certainly wasn't treated that way by the club. He's 26 years old and an adult. Go away and do some research and see which clubs assess which players attend which public events. I'm dying to read the answer.

Well Willow, I don't have time or interest in doing the research work for you, but in my profession, it's called risk assessment. And, I do take a bit of offence that when your opinion is critiqued you resort to insults. Is that the standard we can expect here in 2014? My point was there should be a matching of the skills and abilities of players with the type of community work they do. Without it there is every chance that an outcome such as this can happen.

 

[innsaneink]

LOL…seriously, are you trying to infer WTs shouldve predicted something like this would occur?

there was no skills or abilities required - other than signing ones own name, but yeh - the club should know when a player decides to be a d/head on the spur of the moment :bash

Unbelievable!!!

 

[Knuckles]

LCA … I Agree with you ..... I understand the concept of Risk Managment in an organisation as well. In my opinion, and I hope on the forum I still am able to express my opinion without someone deleting it, Mayer has erred first by signing a player with a chequered past and second by sending him off to the schools to represent the club.
It shows a lack of foresight on his part and a lack of understanding in managing risk within the organisation. My hope is with a new Board he will get the guidance and support he needs in managing the club. He obviously got very little support and direction from the previous dysfunctional board ... As did his predecessor.

 

[Guest]

I am stunned and flabbergasted that this is somehow Mayer's fault. Let's prohibit certain players from attending public and charity events because he has a chequered past - that won't be considered discriminatory at all will it if the player is the only one in the group to be omitted from such responsibilities. Fact is though, the club has a code of conduct and a set of standards that it aims to uphold. Ink summed it up best, Gordon has been around, he's played professional rugby league for a number of years and knows the drill - Be professional at work, on and off the field. 99% of players seem to do this. We drew one that couldn't but knew the rules all the same, but wait on, this is somehow the CEO's fault. That will do me.

 

[Knuckles]

No one has written, as far as I can see, it is Mayers fault Willow. The player in question is responsible for his own actions not the one who signed him. However, my point is, and possibly LCA's as well, is it reasonably foreseeable, that if you sign a player with a past like the one in question, that something like this may arise ? Your view appears to be, once signed he should be treated as an equal and, that doesn't in itself seem to be unreasonable. But given the more far reaching requirements of the modern day footballer, did the signing display foresight on the part of Mr Mayer ? I find it difficult to see that it did.

 

[DonnyBrasco]

Bottom line is if he was a star player he most likely would have been reprimanded only. He should have pissed on a shop window or abused a sponsors daughter. They would have picked him for Australia if he did that.
If the club wants to take a tough stance which is great, I just hope they are consistent.

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[happy_tiger]

Bottom line is if he was a star player he most likely would have been reprimanded only. He should have pissed on a shop window or abused a sponsors daughter. They would have picked him for Australia if he did that.
If the club wants to take a tough stance which is great, I just hope they are consistent.

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Like we were with Rob Lui and Benji Marshall

 

[sheer64]

Personally I think the penalty was harsh. Risk management, leave it in the failed corporate boardrooms where it belongs.

 

[TurnStyle]

i agree it is a very harsh penalty, but one that is also commensurate with a player having been dismissed from 3(?) clubs prior and who was also on a 3 month contract.

in an earlier post i said that there should be certain players allocated to certain community outings, but in reading subsequent posts see that it is all part and parcel of being an nrl player and it is a good point to note (someone prior to this post) that you cant baby the players and you would hope they would act in a manner any grown man should.

i guess at the end of the day there really is no option but to trust the players are going to carry themselves with maturity whilst representing the club in public, which is surely not too much to ask.

 

[Furious1]

It's funny how this has gone off track a little bit. Gordon wasn't sacked for not being good at getting the message out re bullying. He was sacked because he wrote something that was found by the "client" to be offensive. You would think somebody on their last chance would make extra effort to remain out of trouble, not look to be the class clown. Nobody to blame but himself

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[LCA]

Personally I think the penalty was harsh. Risk management, leave it in the failed corporate boardrooms where it belongs.

Hmmm…well, I hope you're a tradey and come to work on my premises. I won't need to bother ensuring you comply with WHS guidelines or be responsible for your safety. And, given there'd be no need to manage risk to your wellbeing, you'd be willing to forego any claim against me if you inadvertently injured yourself, wouldn't you? Good on you, champ. Have a coffee with Willow and Ink. I'm sure you'll all get along famously.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Can't please everyone.

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[innsaneink]

Personally I think the penalty was harsh. Risk management, leave it in the failed corporate boardrooms where it belongs.

Hmmm…well, I hope you're a tradey and come to work on my premises. I won't need to bother ensuring you comply with WHS guidelines or be responsible for your safety. And, given there'd be no need to manage risk to your wellbeing, you'd be willing to forego any claim against me if you inadvertently injured yourself, wouldn't you? Good on you, champ. Have a coffee with Willow and Ink. I'm sure you'll all get along famously.

Youre stretching a long bow there LCA….OH@S isnt applicable here...the clubs code of conduct is though...dont drag others into anothers oponion

 

[happy_tiger]

What about an induction handbook ??

 

[PYMBLEPETE]

Personally I think the penalty was harsh. Risk management, leave it in the failed corporate boardrooms where it belongs.

Hmmm…well, I hope you're a tradey and come to work on my premises. I won't need to bother ensuring you comply with WHS guidelines or be responsible for your safety. And, given there'd be no need to manage risk to your wellbeing, you'd be willing to forego any claim against me if you inadvertently injured yourself, wouldn't you? Good on you, champ. Have a coffee with Willow and Ink. I'm sure you'll all get along famously.

Youre stretching a long bow there LCA….OH@S isnt applicable here...the clubs code of conduct is though...dont drag others into anothers oponion

You are right - OH&S is not relevant. And yes, the club's code of conduct is. But most businesses these days spend a lot of time and money on educating their staff on matters such as sexual harassment, trade practices law, corrupt activity and so on - the general compliance suite. I can say for certain that what is alleged to have been done here would have been covered in any standard sexual harrassment training program.

Are the Weststigers players receiving this type of training? I dont know, but if not why not? Are the players given any sort of detailed training on what the club's code of conduct is? Again I dont know, but they are certainly being judged as if they are by what has happened in this case.

I dont know all the facts so I'm not saying one side or the other was wrong in this case. But on the face of it, I think that Buddy has been dealt with very harshly. I would really like to know if the players benefit from all the 'standard' compliance type training I mentioned above. And if not, why they are being judged as if they knew this stuff.

GNR4life was not able to get this point in a separate thread. How can you criticise first grade footballers for not 'surviving' in a world "we' are familiar with, when we would not survive in their world (playing first grade rugby league)??

 

[cochise]

Personally I think the penalty was harsh. Risk management, leave it in the failed corporate boardrooms where it belongs.

Hmmm…well, I hope you're a tradey and come to work on my premises. I won't need to bother ensuring you comply with WHS guidelines or be responsible for your safety. And, given there'd be no need to manage risk to your wellbeing, you'd be willing to forego any claim against me if you inadvertently injured yourself, wouldn't you? Good on you, champ. Have a coffee with Willow and Ink. I'm sure you'll all get along famously.

Youre stretching a long bow there LCA….OH@S isnt applicable here...the clubs code of conduct is though...dont drag others into anothers oponion

OH&S is applicable here, it's not the largest reason but OH&S is one of the reasons schools have sign in procedures.

 

[Furious1]

Personally I think the penalty was harsh. Risk management, leave it in the failed corporate boardrooms where it belongs.

Hmmm…well, I hope you're a tradey and come to work on my premises. I won't need to bother ensuring you comply with WHS guidelines or be responsible for your safety. And, given there'd be no need to manage risk to your wellbeing, you'd be willing to forego any claim against me if you inadvertently injured yourself, wouldn't you? Good on you, champ. Have a coffee with Willow and Ink. I'm sure you'll all get along famously.

Youre stretching a long bow there LCA….OH@S isnt applicable here...the clubs code of conduct is though...dont drag others into anothers oponion

OH&S is applicable here, it's not the largest reason but OH&S is one of the reasons schools have sign in procedures.

Yep, and the bit where it said name…,,, Yilleen Gordon or even Buddy Gordon would have been appropriate . It's not rocket science

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[innsaneink]

OK yeh on second thoughts it is applicable….the school knowing who is in their school at a certain time, ...the club knowing where their player is at a certain time away from their base.

But we are really getting a bit off base here....OHS training really shouldnt even be mentioned, or required, you cant put brains into shit and all that was reqd was a name to be signed but dopey couldnt even do that

Seems dopey has proven to ALL club CEOs now he is even incapable of passing around a few handouts on bullying to kids in schools....but when you think about it, should a CEO really have to think long and hard about such a simple everyday task for an individual???....you wouldnt think so but its getting to the stage where they will have to, every one of these incidents are learning curves for all concerned

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Personally I think the penalty was harsh. Risk management, leave it in the failed corporate boardrooms where it belongs.

Hmmm…well, I hope you're a tradey and come to work on my premises. I won't need to bother ensuring you comply with WHS guidelines or be responsible for your safety. And, given there'd be no need to manage risk to your wellbeing, you'd be willing to forego any claim against me if you inadvertently injured yourself, wouldn't you? Good on you, champ. Have a coffee with Willow and Ink. I'm sure you'll all get along famously.

Youre stretching a long bow there LCA….OH@S isnt applicable here...the clubs code of conduct is though...dont drag others into anothers oponion

You are right - OH&S is not relevant. And yes, the club's code of conduct is. But most businesses these days spend a lot of time and money on educating their staff on matters such as sexual harassment, trade practices law, corrupt activity and so on - the general compliance suite. I can say for certain that what is alleged to have been done here would have been covered in any standard sexual harrassment training program.

Are the Weststigers players receiving this type of training? I dont know, but if not why not? Are the players given any sort of detailed training on what the club's code of conduct is? Again I dont know, but they are certainly being judged as if they are by what has happened in this case.

I dont know all the facts so I'm not saying one side or the other was wrong in this case. But on the face of it, I think that Buddy has been dealt with very harshly. I would really like to know if the players benefit from all the 'standard' compliance type training I mentioned above. And if not, why they are being judged as if they knew this stuff.

**GNR4life was not able to get this point in a separate thread. How can you criticise first grade footballers for not 'surviving' in a world "we' are familiar with, when we would not survive in their world (playing first grade rugby league)??**

You don't have to work with children to know not to be inappropriate around them. Sure, the average punter who criticizes players couldn't do what they do, but you're talking about an entirely different issue. They don't teach you at tafe or uni not to write inappropriate things in the presence of children, that is just common sense, it isn't a skill you need to acquire.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Good God, are we really having this discussion?

The club is at fault because a bloke in his mid-twenties wasn't told that writing crass material in a school is inappropriate? Give me a break, it's always someone else's fault…