Zane Musgrove

[earl]

Also totally not limited to rugby league - AFL, soccer, NFL, NBA - anywhere where young-ish men side-step regular adolescence and early manhood and instead get thrust with money and fame.

Not even just sport, but also in the music, film & television industries.

In life generally too many males see women as their slaves and the lesser sex , when they try to break that stereotype some unfortunately cop it

It is a tough subject as I have had family members caught in either side of the extremes 😢

In general, what % of men see women as their slaves and the lesser sex do you think?

These comments from Happy are simply factually inaccurate and show someone getting caught up in a propaganda machine.

If you read this report I think you can see some real concerns with the figures. The definition of abuse is set in my opinion basically at the level of normal behaviour (calling someone names) and it's also self-reported.
https://www.cdc.gov/violencepreventi…port2010-a.pdf

Then if you look at these figures which appear a lot more realistic and reasonable you get a much better picture.

https://domesticviolenceresearch.org...s-at-a-glance/

The figure that I get which I believe is true is that approximately 0.000208% of women per year are killed via their intimate male partner. I could be exaggerating this on the upside however for a matter of discussion I think that is the right figure.

The reasonable figures that I use state the following detail:- "80% of individuals have perpetrated emotional abuse".

My experience is that everyone who has ever been in a relationship will have suffered from and used emotional abuse. That isn't to state it's right but it is to state that it is normal. I think the figure of 80% is probably under-stated because people don't want to admit what they do to each other.

The next key point to me is that abuse is typically two way - i.e. it's fighting between partners.

"Among large population samples, 57.9% of IPV reported was bi-directional, 42% unidirectional; 13.8% of the unidirectional violence was male to female (MFPV), 28.3% was female to male (FMPV)".

So women are just as abusive as men.

I'd add that women also kill men when they are in abusive relationships. It's just recently on the news.

Abuse isn't a male issue. It's a relationship issue and it's normal. The vast majority of abuse is two way arguments.

There is though a line where it crosses into unacceptable territory but don't think for one second that the figures that are bandied about are accurate. There is a massive difference between calling someone a name (used for the abuse figures you hear about) and killing someone.

I'll state again my gut feel is that Musgrove is an abusive person (in a real way - i.e. someone who consistently loses his cool and does physically or emotionally stuff that is over the line) and someone who you should stay well away from but he is an anomaly and not the norm.

 

[earl]

Not even just sport, but also in the music, film & television industries.

In life generally too many males see women as their slaves and the lesser sex , when they try to break that stereotype some unfortunately cop it

It is a tough subject as I have had family members caught in either side of the extremes 😢

In general, what % of men see women as their slaves and the lesser sex do you think?

Well my Mrs has enough rope to get to the letter box and the clothes line …....

I'm joking ....I'm joking but how many blokes do you know that refuse to do housework of any kind

Or when they go out the wife can't drink because he is .......

Or the bloke goes on bloke vacations while the wife looks after the kids

Or doesn't help with homework .....

The partner might love to do all this but can't .......the hubby couldn't cope

I typically drink and my wife typically drives. The last time we went out I drove and she drunk. My wife does the homework and I don't but she likes that.

My wife isn't my slave. Sometimes women like to do things. My wife does all the cleaning and most of the running around for the kids but she is a machine who just works hard. I'm lazy.

None of that makes me some chauvinistic pig.

We need to stop buying the line that men are bad.

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

In life generally too many males see women as their slaves and the lesser sex , when they try to break that stereotype some unfortunately cop it

It is a tough subject as I have had family members caught in either side of the extremes 😢

In general, what % of men see women as their slaves and the lesser sex do you think?

Well my Mrs has enough rope to get to the letter box and the clothes line …....

I'm joking ....I'm joking but how many blokes do you know that refuse to do housework of any kind

Or when they go out the wife can't drink because he is .......

Or the bloke goes on bloke vacations while the wife looks after the kids

Or doesn't help with homework .....

The partner might love to do all this but can't .......the hubby couldn't cope

I typically drink and my wife typically drives. The last time we went out I drove and she drunk. My wife does the homework and I don't but she likes that.

My wife isn't my slave. Sometimes women like to do things. My wife does all the cleaning and most of the running around for the kids but she is a machine who just works hard. I'm lazy.

None of that makes me some chauvinistic pig.

We need to stop buying the line that men are bad.

You need to do some more house chores by the sounds of things.

 

[earl]

You need to do some more house chores by the sounds of things.

Whenever my wife asks me too I do. She never asks. I never do. I cook a couple of times a week.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Interesting item in Kent’s column this morning.
Pre Jerald Hayne incident there has been 28 court cases with 58 sexual assault charges attached, brought against NRL and AFL players in recent years.
Not one convictions from that lot once the case was heard in court.
So perhaps we should hold off any premature judgements and see what comes out of the current lot of cases before the courts?

 

[Tcat]

Interesting item in Kent’s column this morning.
Pre Jerald Hayne incident there has been 28 court cases with 58 sexual assault charges attached, brought against NRL and AFL players in recent years.
Not one convictions from that lot once the case was heard in court.
So perhaps we should hold off any premature judgements and see what comes out of the current lot of cases before the courts?

I wonder how many of those cases were settled out of court either pre or post court case. I reakon plenty would have been paid off over the years to keep it on the down low, so as to not discredit players, clubs or the game.

 

[jadtiger]

Interesting item in Kent’s column this morning.
Pre Jerald Hayne incident there has been 28 court cases with 58 sexual assault charges attached, brought against NRL and AFL players in recent years.
Not one convictions from that lot once the case was heard in court.
So perhaps we should hold off any premature judgements and see what comes out of the current lot of cases before the courts?

All that proves to me is that many cases have either been paid off with money or pressure from connections.I find it impossible to believe that there is no subtance to any of the alleged offences.

 

[Telltails]

Sportsmen seem to attract a lot of interest from women, fair to say more so than the average punter. Whether this gives them a false sense of entitlement when it comes to their dealings with them, I guess you would have to look at that case by case. But history will show regardless of incidents reported by the media of inappropriate behaviors, the attraction seems to continue.
I find it interesting that many also have children in their very early twenties with their partners, yet I think its fair to say in this day and age its opposite of what is happening for most young people the same age in society who wouldnt comtemplate having children at 20 -25 because they are not ready for the responsibility, and they cant afford to.
During this period they are still attracting interest, because of their profile from women regardless of their personal situation which places intense pressure on their relationships and tests their ability to make good choices that are not harmful to everyone. When they make a bad one - which many do - you can guarantee its going to be heard about it.

 

[old_man_tiger]

Not even just sport, but also in the music, film & television industries.

In life generally too many males see women as their slaves and the lesser sex , when they try to break that stereotype some unfortunately cop it

It is a tough subject as I have had family members caught in either side of the extremes 😢

In general, what % of men see women as their slaves and the lesser sex do you think?

Well my Mrs has enough rope to get to the letter box and the clothes line …....

I'm joking ....I'm joking but how many blokes do you know that refuse to do housework of any kind

Or when they go out the wife can't drink because he is .......

Or the bloke goes on bloke vacations while the wife looks after the kids

Or doesn't help with homework .....

The partner might love to do all this but can't .......the hubby couldn't cope

I have female friends in these types of relationships and they tell me regularly how unhappy they are. It is a real shame that people feel threatened by your post Hap. The conditioning of women to accept this and men to be blind to it starts very young, and to pretend there is no issue just shows the power these roles have over people's rationality and perception.

 

[Tim Sheens]

In life generally too many males see women as their slaves and the lesser sex , when they try to break that stereotype some unfortunately cop it

It is a tough subject as I have had family members caught in either side of the extremes 😢

In general, what % of men see women as their slaves and the lesser sex do you think?

Well my Mrs has enough rope to get to the letter box and the clothes line …....

I'm joking ....I'm joking but how many blokes do you know that refuse to do housework of any kind

Or when they go out the wife can't drink because he is .......

Or the bloke goes on bloke vacations while the wife looks after the kids

Or doesn't help with homework .....

The partner might love to do all this but can't .......the hubby couldn't cope

I have female friends in these types of relationships and they tell me regularly how unhappy they are. It is a real shame that people feel threatened by your post Hap. The conditioning of women to accept this and men to be blind to it starts very young, and to pretend there is no issue just shows the power these roles have over people's rationality and perception.

Too true and in a society that so many woman have to juggle full time positions and the vast majority of child rearing and other domestic duties, the disparities are so often glaring. The least we can do is talk to them and let them know that we care and for the worse cases, offer sanctuary, as individuals, community and governmental.

We as decent males have to be role models, particularly around the home to stop the rot. I know that I gained a lot from my father's input.

 

[NT_Tiger]

In life generally too many males see women as their slaves and the lesser sex , when they try to break that stereotype some unfortunately cop it

It is a tough subject as I have had family members caught in either side of the extremes 😢

In general, what % of men see women as their slaves and the lesser sex do you think?

Well my Mrs has enough rope to get to the letter box and the clothes line …....

I'm joking ....I'm joking but how many blokes do you know that refuse to do housework of any kind

Or when they go out the wife can't drink because he is .......

Or the bloke goes on bloke vacations while the wife looks after the kids

Or doesn't help with homework .....

The partner might love to do all this but can't .......the hubby couldn't cope

I have female friends in these types of relationships and they tell me regularly how unhappy they are. It is a real shame that people feel threatened by your post Hap. The conditioning of women to accept this and men to be blind to it starts very young, and to pretend there is no issue just shows the power these roles have over people's rationality and perception.

A recently divorced friend of mine fit the above description to a T. He still doesn't get it, and blames all their troubles on her.

 

[earl]

I have female friends in these types of relationships and they tell me regularly how unhappy they are. It is a real shame that people feel threatened by your post Hap. The conditioning of women to accept this and men to be blind to it starts very young, and to pretend there is no issue just shows the power these roles have over people's rationality and perception.

So your saying that my wife and my mum aren't happy and it's the patriarchy or something that doesn't make them happy. Righto then. Unfortunately I don't believe you.

My wife didn't come from a family where mum did everything at all.

My wife just came home from the shops. She did Christmas shopping. She seems happy enough to me.

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

In general, what % of men see women as their slaves and the lesser sex do you think?

Well my Mrs has enough rope to get to the letter box and the clothes line …....

I'm joking ....I'm joking but how many blokes do you know that refuse to do housework of any kind

Or when they go out the wife can't drink because he is .......

Or the bloke goes on bloke vacations while the wife looks after the kids

Or doesn't help with homework .....

The partner might love to do all this but can't .......the hubby couldn't cope

I have female friends in these types of relationships and they tell me regularly how unhappy they are. It is a real shame that people feel threatened by your post Hap. The conditioning of women to accept this and men to be blind to it starts very young, and to pretend there is no issue just shows the power these roles have over people's rationality and perception.

A recently divorced friend of mine fit the above description to a T. He still doesn't get it, and blames all their troubles on her.

I'm sure everyone on here has a mate like that or like that themselves. Good point gents.

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

Not even just sport, but also in the music, film & television industries.

In life generally too many males see women as their slaves and the lesser sex , when they try to break that stereotype some unfortunately cop it

It is a tough subject as I have had family members caught in either side of the extremes 😢

In general, what % of men see women as their slaves and the lesser sex do you think?

Well my Mrs has enough rope to get to the letter box and the clothes line …....

I'm joking ....I'm joking but how many blokes do you know that refuse to do housework of any kind

Or when they go out the wife can't drink because he is .......

Or the bloke goes on bloke vacations while the wife looks after the kids

Or doesn't help with homework .....

The partner might love to do all this but can't .......the hubby couldn't cope

Great post mate.

 

[old_man_tiger]

I have female friends in these types of relationships and they tell me regularly how unhappy they are. It is a real shame that people feel threatened by your post Hap. The conditioning of women to accept this and men to be blind to it starts very young, and to pretend there is no issue just shows the power these roles have over people's rationality and perception.

So your saying that my wife and my mum aren't happy and it's the patriarchy or something that doesn't make them happy. Righto then. Unfortunately I don't believe you.

My wife didn't come from a family where mum did everything at all.

My wife just came home from the shops. She did Christmas shopping. She seems happy enough to me.

Both of our posts are self explanatory and we are unlikely to change each other's minds.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

In general, what % of men see women as their slaves and the lesser sex do you think?

Well my Mrs has enough rope to get to the letter box and the clothes line …....

I'm joking ....I'm joking but how many blokes do you know that refuse to do housework of any kind

Or when they go out the wife can't drink because he is .......

Or the bloke goes on bloke vacations while the wife looks after the kids

Or doesn't help with homework .....

The partner might love to do all this but can't .......the hubby couldn't cope

I have female friends in these types of relationships and they tell me regularly how unhappy they are. It is a real shame that people feel threatened by your post Hap. The conditioning of women to accept this and men to be blind to it starts very young, and to pretend there is no issue just shows the power these roles have over people's rationality and perception.

Too true and in a society that so many woman have to juggle full time positions and the vast majority of child rearing and other domestic duties, the disparities are so often glaring. The least we can do is talk to them and let them know that we care and for the worse cases, offer sanctuary, as individuals, community and governmental.

We as decent males have to be role models, particularly around the home to stop the rot. **I know that I gained a lot from my father's input.**

Me too! Dad worked at night and mum worked during the day. Dad was home during the day so it just made sense that he would cook the dinner, pick us up from school and do housework and washing when necessary during the week. There was no arguments about male and female roles or ridiculous stereotypes, both my parents just did what was necessary to keep the house and the family running. And this was 40-50 years ago!

I find it very sad that nearly 20 years into the 21st century we are still having to try and find ways to end gender inequality and abuse. In fact, inequality and abuse is probably worse now than it ever was, despite the 'advances' made and the greater opportunities afforded to women to participate in the public sector these days. I honestly think that women enjoyed more freedom during the late 60s, 70s and early 80s - then something happened to turn it all back around - I blame MTV lol.

It was interesting, I recently saw a picture of a group of young women from Pakistan that was taken in the 1970s - they were dressed in western clothing, going to uni with their books & backpacks, smiling and laughing. It was compared with a picture of the young women in Pakistan today who were dressed head to toe in burkas - no smiling, no laughing, no education opportunities. It was a very sobering shot and evidence to me that this reverse of freedom & equality for women is indeed a worldwide problem.

 

[cktiger]

The Zane Musgrove thread has morphed into a front for the Women's Liberation Movement. :laughing:

 

[Aceshigh]

Has become a rant fest

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Sigh! …... Quite a few of These threads tend to get dragged off the topic.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Quite a change in topic