Wests Tigers Coaches

Krammy said:
You make some good points Jirsky. An Eels supporter questioned me yesterday why CC would want to come to a basket case of a club such as ours. At first I wanted to remind him of our win over the Eels, but then reminded myself they will probably put 40 on us next time we meet. Anyway, it forced me to think of why would he come? I replied with pretty much the positives you mentioned and added Sheens would be walking alongside CC.
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Also because junior coaches don't typically get the pick of the top powerful clubs. By definition, the clubs that are regularly doing well tend not to hook their coach.

So basketcases it is.

However ensure to remind your scumbag Eels acquaintance of how recently and deeply in the mire they were as a club, and how many wooden spoons they won during the 11-year period when they made the finals only twice (one grand final). I honestly don't know if 0 finals in 11 years is worse than 2 finals and 3 wooden spoons in 11 years.
 
Bob said:
I remember reading once that it doesn’t stop concussions because concussions are caused to disruption to neural pathways.

Head gear more protects the ears and prevents cuts and abrasions.

There is some rubbish about it actually causes more concussions because it gives players a false sense of security. (I think that one’s a bit of a stretch)
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The reason headgear does not help concussions is because concussions are not generally caused by the impact on the skull, they are instead caused by the brain being slammed against the inside of your head.

Think of it like a car. The occupants of the car are your brain, and the chassis of the car itself is the skull. In a car accident, the main damage to the occupants is typically not done by the impact on the car chassis (which is designed to crumple but not pierce the seating area), the damage is done by the sudden stopping of forward motion, which throws the occupants forwards. That is why seat belts are so effective, because they stop people being thrown around inside the car.

Putting on headgear is like driving a tank. There may be a lot of armour on the outside and that helps with external damage, but if you have a high-speed crash in a tank, the damage is still done by the momentum of the occupants against the inside of the vehicle.

The research about head-gear giving players false security - what I have read on this topic is more about helmets and American football, rather than headgear. There is a belief that wearing padded uniforms and helmets can give NFL players sense of imperviousness, which leads to higher-speed collisions, which themselves are still very dangerous to the brain.

Isn't that what hurt Fatty Vautin, a collision in one of those stupid sumo costumes? Padded to hell but he copped a head knock.
 
Viking Warrior said:
I'm all for Robbie as assistant coach hearing him in the blue shirt during the Tigers doco showed he knows the game.
Noddy said him self Sheens will be a sounding board for him it is great the club are supporting Noddy and having Sheens to run things by would be a big help to him. Have to remember Kimorley is a rookie
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So sheens is coach. I guess it has to be Kimmorley as the front so it doesn't look bad that the guy who sacked our last coach is really coaching.
 
jirskyr said:
If Tigers are a basket-case, I don't know what kind of storage apparatus Bulldogs are, but I agree it's bigger and worse.

Dogs are making all the older Tigers mistakes - rash signings, lack of pathways investment, lack of junior development, poorly-credentialed coaches.

I think there is a general consensus that whilst Tigers are still not able to make a dent on the finals race, the club has at least become stable and viable off-field, with an increasing number of positive investments that could be expected to pay off in the future - e.g. the CoE, the heavy investment in pathways, the increased Football Ops spending. There is a light at the end of the tunnel for the right person to guide the players.

For Bulldogs - I have no idea, they are just stumbling from error to error. They are probably 3-4 years behind us at least. I don't know if Bulldogs have even settled their Board split issues, where Lynn Anderson won the ticket a few years ago to take control of the old Board, then she herself was forced to step down in 2020.
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The Bulldogs aren't our problem, our soulless Club is.
 
Earl said:
Who cares ? Seriously these guys are professional footy players. They were so undisciplined yesterday. Musgrove wasn't terrible.

I don't see any coach turning us around but some quality players would do the job.
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Are they that dumb they don't realise their pathetic displays this year (Newcastle,Warriors,Sharks, Souths) led to his sacking
 
stryker 69 said:
No one expected changes so quickly.
We expected the squad to continue digging in and scrapping as they have done all year.
More than half the team looked disinterested at best. At worst, they could be accused of not having a go.
That is a result of Madge’s sacking, and that is a problem. It was noted during the week that Sheens has failed to read the room on the issue and that seems evident so far.
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Explain what happened against Souths & Bulldogs in the 2nd half?
That had nothing to do with Madge sacking.
We actually like most games played well in the 1st 40mins & have yet to win a 2nd half all year.

Our last 5 games under Madge have been worse than the 7 games prior defensively, either teams worked us out, our fitness levels are terrible or the players suck or combination of all.

2nd Half points: us/them (Madge)
1st 7 games - 38 - 80
Next 5 games - 40 - 104
Total 78 - 184

Storm 8 - 22
Knights 4 - 12
Warriors 0 - 2 (sinbin)
Titans 4 - 6
Sharks 4 - 16
Eels 7 - 10
Souths 11 - 12

Dragons 4 - 12
Manly 18 - 22
Cowboys 0 - 16
Bulldogs 18 - 22
Souths 0 - 32

Manly 0 - 24

Total 78 - 208
 
Buttface said:
Some bored smart person must have done a study on it? I remember years ago a bloke telling me that head gear does nothing to stop concussions but I thought it was just tough guy pub talk.
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Most concussion issues stem from the brain bouncing around inside the skull, not from the impact to the skull externally per se, though obviously this is the cause of the movement inside. So, foreseeably, you can get concussed from whiplash, which would be under the classification of rapid deceleration, essentially what happens with direct impact itself.

So, that is to say, the headgear may protect the skull itself from some damage, bone bruising, fracture, etc, but not necessarily the brain inside, not in direct contact at least.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
Explain what happened against Souths & Bulldogs in the 2nd half?
That had nothing to do with Madge sacking.
We actually like most games played well in the 1st 40mins & have yet to win a 2nd half all year.

Our last 5 games under Madge have been worse than the 7 games prior defensively, either teams worked us out, our fitness levels are terrible or the players suck or combination of all.

2nd Half points: us/them (Madge)
1st 7 games - 38 - 80
Next 5 games - 40 - 104
Total 78 - 184

Storm 8 - 22
Knights 4 - 12
Warriors 0 - 2 (sinbin)
Titans 4 - 6
Sharks 4 - 16
Eels 7 - 10
Souths 11 - 12

Dragons 4 - 12
Manly 18 - 22
Cowboys 0 - 16
Bulldogs 18 - 22
Souths 0 - 32

Manly 0 - 24

Total 78 - 208
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It’s a poor roster.
Very few of the top 30 will make another NRL team
 
twentyforty said:
I’m not so sure? It could very well be a telltale sign of an organisational issue the club has. Did Madge report directly to the board? Or to Sheens? Tim Sheens shouldn’t need to go to great lengths explaining that it was he who sacked the coach.
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Sheens made it very clear on in his interview on Fox 360, the day of the sacking, that Madge had full control of the team and major input on all decisions regarding recruitment.
He was very pissed when the panel tried to insinuate otherwise.
 
Kelce68 said:
Most concussion issues stem from the brain bouncing around inside the skull, not from the impact to the skull externally per se, though obviously this is the cause of the movement inside. So, foreseeably, you can get concussed from whiplash, which would be under the classification of rapid deceleration, essentially what happens with direct impact itself.

So, that is to say, the headgear may protect the skull itself from some damage, bone bruising, fracture, etc, but not necessarily the brain inside, not in direct contact at least.
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I'm happy to be proven wrong but,
I'm still not convinced that they don't provide protection against concussion.

Wouldn't this be like saying that bumper guards on cars don't offer much protection?

Bumpers absorb impact in a collision, protecting and greatly improving the safety of the driver and the cars components

Headgears also absorb the impact of collision which surely must reduce the risk of concussion.
 
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