LeichhardtTiger
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Well, the script was writ and the ref was clearly unconsciously biased. But I blame Madge for having coached the Kiwis to their recent Test victory which surely inspired the Worriers.
Wests Tigers Coaches
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earl
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It's going to be hard to have the team perform as poorly as they have under Madge.
tigermaniac
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It took Gould 5 years at the pandas. Into his first year at the dogs, 4 to go.
Sheens hasn’t ever clocked 1 year yet. 2 good signings and the guts to punt Madge. He answers to the board with recommendation. They have the final say, then they decide in the same manner as the Alinta commercial with the Aussie cricketers.
426Tlgerland
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Sheens had nothing to do with Appi and Papi coming over , he has done zero for the club except punt Madge , time will tell if this Sheens stuff will work I’m not confident as we can’t even appoint a new coach , these coaches would jump at the chance to take this on it’s not them holding it up it’s the club , you can’t tell me if Flanno was offered a 3 year deal to turn this lot around and also bring in our young guys he would say no , he would chain himself to the chair
I think Sheens may be the problem in finding a coach. No new coach wants him overbearing and scrutinized at every turn.
The fact we recruit in a committee group gives the coach no freedom to recruit who he wants. That would turn me off having to go kiss the mafia don pinky ring of Lee.
The fact we recruit in a committee group gives the coach no freedom to recruit who he wants. That would turn me off having to go kiss the mafia don pinky ring of Lee.
tigermaniac
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Who done the signing then.
watersider
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I have a problem with looking for a 'development' coach. Essentially, NRL coaches need to win games, you give them a year or two grace but they have to fashion a winning team out of what they have. If that's developing youngsters and playing them in first grade then that's good if it leads to winning, but if the youngsters are no good you need to find another way to win. So you hire a coach to win and if they're not they get sacked.
So what sort of criteria is the search for a development coach going to lead to? To me, you want coaches involved in development and bringing youngsters in, but that job is primarily for someone else.
I think Sheens should be in charge of development, working in coordination with the coach. Sheens does know good players. I think the coach should be in charge of winning, or with strategies to get us winning in a year or two. long term plans don't work because no one is patient enough to see it out. With Madge, it always felt like 2023 was going to be the year we judge him, and we never got there. He was patient and has quietly developed quite a young base squad with salary cap room to move, but he gets sacked before getting the benefit of it.
Maybe he was a part of the problem, but I deeply regret the club not giving him a chance to at least coach with some talent next year.
So no to a development coach, get one who wins.
So what sort of criteria is the search for a development coach going to lead to? To me, you want coaches involved in development and bringing youngsters in, but that job is primarily for someone else.
I think Sheens should be in charge of development, working in coordination with the coach. Sheens does know good players. I think the coach should be in charge of winning, or with strategies to get us winning in a year or two. long term plans don't work because no one is patient enough to see it out. With Madge, it always felt like 2023 was going to be the year we judge him, and we never got there. He was patient and has quietly developed quite a young base squad with salary cap room to move, but he gets sacked before getting the benefit of it.
Maybe he was a part of the problem, but I deeply regret the club not giving him a chance to at least coach with some talent next year.
So no to a development coach, get one who wins.
426Tlgerland
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Madge and the club signed API and Papi sheens was not involved with them coming over the deals were done before Sheens was involved , and we haven’t landed anyone since he has been involved to my knowledge
gallagher
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Why watch it then? Your the fool giving them ratings, feeding them. They live for you.
tigermaniac
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Madge tried with Tpj Mitchell Osaka JAC and even passed up a swap for Brooks/Pearce and countless others he failed to land. Player’s left because of the coach. Matterson momo and so on. The only half decent signing was Luc and he left,Tualagi aloia garner good bye . Thought Woods wasnt a good idea for a return. Signed Hastings gildart and peachey. And you think Madge made the signings possible.
Hartigan and Maguire at odds over recruitment. Api and Papalii both signed when Hartigan left.
twentyforty
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Not sure what Barnes is doing, his record speaks for itself. He’s coached the Chooks U20 side to 3 premierships out of 5. A similar success story like Barrett and Ciraldo etc.
Show me the guy who can make a champion team out of something other than a team of champions.
tigermaniac
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And after Sheens arrived.
pawsandclaws1
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and Warren McDonnell.
tigermaniac
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Correct
twentyforty
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It’s for this reason that I think the club will stick with Noddy. He can easily be moved back to head of pathways.
So Maguire got the support in getting the players he wanted.
tigermaniac
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Sheens made it happen. I’ve seen it all before.
Good that's what all clubs should do for their coaches - provide a decent squad. Why do you think Ciraldo turned us down?
tigermaniac
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I Don’t know if you’re answering or questioning . Stop throwing side dishes , I’m full.
