A while ago I started a thread citing that players that were good elsewhere come to tigers and flop and vice versa players ordinary at tigers go elsewhere and improve significantly. Called it coaching and retention and the examples keep growing
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Paid well for no accountabilty and all pressure on the coach. The exact opposite of what happens at successful clubs.
earl
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It's not a big deal right.
weststigerman
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Agree. Although I don’t know if it’s just coaching and retention.
Senior players set the standards and our senior players are Nofa and Brooks. I don’t remember this being so prevalent when Farah was captaining the club.
This is why I wanted us to sign the likes of Finucane. Hopefully Koroisau helps with this but he’s only one guy.
old_man_tiger
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We're all on edge, I catch myself thinking a lot of irrational things regarding this team.
stryker 69
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He has no mentor at this club. No one to help him prepare, play and recover from a game as a prop. I thought Tamou would provide this but he obviously either doesn’t, or can’t impart trade secrets well enough. Raw talent only gets you so far and for a bloke playing in the toughest position on the field, he is screaming for help.
I’ve seen posters claim we will build our pack around him next year. He ain’t ready for leadership by a long mile.
We need to sign two 5+ year NRL veteran props for next year, with one hopefully an international, who can take him under their wings and bring him on.
Failure to do so will see another shit year from him.
I’ve seen posters claim we will build our pack around him next year. He ain’t ready for leadership by a long mile.
We need to sign two 5+ year NRL veteran props for next year, with one hopefully an international, who can take him under their wings and bring him on.
Failure to do so will see another shit year from him.
earl
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No offense but if he needs someone to teach him how to tie his boots he is useless.
He will be fine.
stryker 69
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It’s not about that.
Props take years to develop in first grade. He needs experience beside him to show him the way. From reports his eyes were opened wide during that origin camp last year. He needs more of the same.
Luci looked good last week off the bench for the Cows....Hastings is carrying a foot injury and before you critique me,if Hastings wasnt in the last few games the for and against would be reaching a negative 500...!!!
earl
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I think he just needs some quality players around him. Stef will come good though.
weststigerman
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I’m a Hastings fan, I think his injury is hampering him and he gets a pass from me for being MOM in our only 3 wins.
However, if the squad keeps getting destroyed he may never be cured from Wests Tigeritis and suffer the same fate as Brooks.
BAGNF05
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Played 22 mins made 21 tackles. Working up to full fitness. This guy is someone to build a team around, no doubt. A 21yo prop won’t win you a game though, still needs quality teammates.
stryker 69
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It’s not just quality, it’s professionalism.
He fell off a cliff this year and no one helped him.
At this point of time, he is a waste on our roster.
stryker 69
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We need him to make meters. Everyone bitching about the spine forgets that they constantly get the ball on the back foot as the hard work is not being done with the ball up front.
100% this
Stefano last year played his best games next to Tamou. When he played with an inexperienced prop he wasn’t the same player.
We MUST get Stefano a bash brother with experience over the next 2-3yrs
426Tlgerland
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Agree Steph needs a hard prop as well as Papi next year , Blore I still think will be with us and could be excellent as well and Joffa just adds to that as well
At the end of the day, Stefano is still very much a rookie and has only played 33 matches.
He's a very long way off a leadership role and for mine, still needs time to establish himself as a first grader.
The club really needs a few experienced props to give him time to develop. Tamou is past his best and even Musgrove only has a fraction more experience than Stefano. With the exception of Twal, everyone else lacks experience.
You only need to look as far as blokes like Jamal Idris (60'ish games and an origin appearance with the dogs) to see how the weight of expectation can destroy some young fellas.
He's a very long way off a leadership role and for mine, still needs time to establish himself as a first grader.
The club really needs a few experienced props to give him time to develop. Tamou is past his best and even Musgrove only has a fraction more experience than Stefano. With the exception of Twal, everyone else lacks experience.
You only need to look as far as blokes like Jamal Idris (60'ish games and an origin appearance with the dogs) to see how the weight of expectation can destroy some young fellas.
If we can get 2-3 solid hard forwards to go with that i would be happy
crazycat
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I have been thinking about the Props and second rowers.
Good props don't seem to want to play in light teams, bar Manly. (I don't know why but Manly seem to be able to hire 1-2 good props and then get the most out of Curtis Sironen, etc).
Hey why would I want to join a team to be a battering ram, when I can join other Battering rams and get less battered!!
We have Papiiaiiaiiaai coming with Stefano, maybe instead of thinking of experienced props like Tamou or others we should be thinking of getting Props in the Stefano/Papaii age range and building them together. This would mean we would need damn good coaching and support around them. Sure we need leadership up front, but the hire the seasoned prop hasn't worked for us.
I don't know why Tamou hasn't worked here. Honestly I can't understand that as he clearly did wonders at Penrith and probably wasn't quite ready to retire. Dale Finucane clearly inspired Stef at Origin. ... Heck I can't pin what it is, we should be having a much more active pack then we do. We even brought in Cayless this year and he should have upgraded our guys and we seem to downgrade...
I don't get it. Sure some games we are outmuscled but we shouldn't be in the position we are in.
Good props don't seem to want to play in light teams, bar Manly. (I don't know why but Manly seem to be able to hire 1-2 good props and then get the most out of Curtis Sironen, etc).
Hey why would I want to join a team to be a battering ram, when I can join other Battering rams and get less battered!!
We have Papiiaiiaiiaai coming with Stefano, maybe instead of thinking of experienced props like Tamou or others we should be thinking of getting Props in the Stefano/Papaii age range and building them together. This would mean we would need damn good coaching and support around them. Sure we need leadership up front, but the hire the seasoned prop hasn't worked for us.
I don't know why Tamou hasn't worked here. Honestly I can't understand that as he clearly did wonders at Penrith and probably wasn't quite ready to retire. Dale Finucane clearly inspired Stef at Origin. ... Heck I can't pin what it is, we should be having a much more active pack then we do. We even brought in Cayless this year and he should have upgraded our guys and we seem to downgrade...
I don't get it. Sure some games we are outmuscled but we shouldn't be in the position we are in.
Some recruitment fails ,Matilino, Packet,Ballin,Josh Reynolds,Peachy,Gildart
Some retention fails ,Tedesco,Moses,Aloaoi,Addocarr,Eienheuth,Tapou,
, Materson,Papenhausen,Korobete,
The recruitment errors are totally on us either in choosing them or in not being able to coach and motivate them once they got here
The retention errors some we could do nothing about but they all starred once they went elsewhere
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