WT Ownership, The Board & Senior Management - MEGA Thread

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  1. A CEO most members have been calling to be sacked due to numerous failures, and not making finals once in his tenure. A X on this one
  2. We are still in business, yes. And profitable in the commercial part of the organisation. They get a tick for this one
  3. We got fined and had our CEO suspended for breaking the rules. Another cross.
  4. Have good policies and procedures in place - well given we have the worst squad in our history, a lack of promising prospects in the top 3 grades, extended a coach only to sack him halfway through the next season, have had numerous players ask for a release to go to a rival (which has been granted without seeking adequate compensation). There are new (but also old) people and processes coming back to the club now, remains to be seen how effective they will be but failing to sign the coach they wanted and then hiring someone who hasn't coached in over 10 years and a rookie doesn't bring huge confidence on their due diligence. So another X based on their historical performance.

    So of your 4 criteria mentioned I think it would be widely accepted that they've failed in 3/4. Again highlighting the need for change, transparency, professionalism and accountability.
Same old debate, same old problem.

Is the CEO actually responsible for playing finals football? If yes, then certainly Pascoe needs to go. If no, then we need to find other solutions.

And we need to be certain that a new CEO can maintain the financial performance as well as impact on-field performance - as the Madge situation has proven, you get stuck in a precarious situation if you sack a top-level official with no guaranteed succession plan.

Personally, I would not be in a hurry to sack a CEO after we've just employed a new General Manager and 2023 head coach, sacked the old head coach, employed two new assistants and put in 5 or so pathways managers. If we overhaul everything at once we increase the risk of losing all our club knowledge / operating experience. I would sack the CEO in a space widely independent of other major new hires coming in.

We can't realistically just sack every employee of the club one-by-one and hope we accidentally shake some good on-field performances out of the tree.
 
No you can't vote them all out. Wests Ashfield has a 7 seat board, only 2 of those seats can be voted for by the general members of Wests Ashfield, the other 5 seats are representatives of the debenture holders, there are 20 debenture holders of Wests Ashfield.

Wests Ashfield then appoint 4 members to the Wests Tigers board, Wests football club 1, Balmain football club 1 and 2 independents.
Wow it's so complicated, so the fans could never vote out the current board.
 
Same old debate, same old problem.

Is the CEO actually responsible for playing finals football? If yes, then certainly Pascoe needs to go. If no, then we need to find other solutions.

And we need to be certain that a new CEO can maintain the financial performance as well as impact on-field performance - as the Madge situation has proven, you get stuck in a precarious situation if you sack a top-level official with no guaranteed succession plan.

Personally, I would not be in a hurry to sack a CEO after we've just employed a new General Manager and 2023 head coach, sacked the old head coach, employed two new assistants and put in 5 or so pathways managers. If we overhaul everything at once we increase the risk of losing all our club knowledge / operating experience. I would sack the CEO in a space widely independent of other major new hires coming in.

We can't realistically just sack every employee of the club one-by-one and hope we accidentally shake some good on-field performances out of the tree.
While the CEO is not (directly) responsible for playing finals football, the CEO is subject to the vagaries of fan opinions and does have influence over the employment status of players and coaches.
To me, this was our recent problem. We had a coach that was trying to please two sets of opposing directives. One had him trying to establish a cohesive team with up and comers and a few old timers for role models. That takes time. The other had him trying to appease the bed wetters that wanted instant success. Somebody upstairs wet themselves (the fans are getting restless) and decided we should sack him.
Now we're back to square one. Ok we have the dynamic duo! That will appease the fans.
We'll give the dynamic duo the time they need to 'develop' a team,. Which is what they should have done with Maguire.
 
How about we vote for a forum representative, get that person as a Wests Ashfield member, have everyone from the forum sign up as a Wests Ashfield member, then lobby insanely hard to vote that person to the Wests Board?

I nominate myself. I am a WA member and I am a very smart dude.
if you are a wa member what have you been doing with your votes?
 
To be honest, I'm just resigned to the fact there is nothing that can be done to improve that part of the club, there is a reason I know how our board works in such detail and it isn't because I think they are doing an amazing job.
So...do you feel comfortable expanding on your idea, as I for one am unsure 🤔 of what you are saying 🙂
 
if you are a wa member what have you been doing with your votes?
Well actually I am a Balmain Leagues Club member, but a year or two ago they automatically carried my membership over to Wests. I've never been asked to vote and I've never received any correspondence from them, so the honest answer is I have no idea when voting occurs or if I have any voting rights.
 
Good news you are the first person I'd sack when I am put on the board. In fact I'm gonna sack everyone and do most of the jobs myself.
 
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The Wests people have to fight with the Balmain people right?
- It's the only thing that stops them bickering amongst themselves.

Wests Ashfield have no interest in selling the Wests Tigers - Yet also have no interest in them succeeding.... I won't forget about 10 years ago, When WA and Balmain put 150k toward football operations each - And the Dogs had 4 mill contribution from their club.
I've seen Parras' numbers recently with as much as 8-9 mill from the club toward Football Operations.... Where's WA commitment to the their Football Club?
And why isn't it that much - They're more than happy to tell us how well they're doing...
Blokes wonder why we can't compete.

The Wests Group treat the Football club like the Sunday Races - Dress up with the missus and head out for a day on the Champers... Then do it all again next month.
It's a joke - An old Joke!!

You're right - We're not happy with our board - Never have been....
When you see the media publicly laughing at them, Maybe you'd have to think why?
They don't laugh at the blokes on the Roosters board...

There's blokes on that Board that are as clueless as you'll find....
Roosters board, Storm Board - All full of winners - Big time Winners from different fields
- Smart People...
WT's board is full of half baked fans or old players who stuck around long enough to worm their way into a job.
what an absolute load of crap - yea we get you don't like the way things are going ( you whinge about it every day ) But when you just make stuff up and blurt it out as though you know everything it becomes a bit boring. Do some research before you shoot your mouth off.
 
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I'm pretty sure that's not true. Firstly the article you quote is 7 years old and you cannot assume the corporate governance has not changed for NRL clubs in this time.

Secondly, I am pretty sure that St George operate roughly the same as Tigers do - you need to be voted to the Leagues Club Boards first (Dragons and Steelers) before then politicking your way onto the SGeorge Illawarra Dragons Football Club board.

And for Manly, their private owners self-appoint the majority hold of the Manly board, meaning the vote-able seats available on the board are an intentional minority. In other words, you cannot over-rule the Penns, because the Penns control the board.

The other issue with what you raise is that the primary reason the Wests Tigers are not set up like some of the other Sydney clubs is because we are technically a much newer club than most of them. Clubs like Eels and Bulldogs are developed from an original Leagues Club licence with the NSWRL, same as Balmain were, so any club that has not had an internal revolution or merged is still operating under roughly the same old model.

Clubs that have had a revolution, e.g. private ownership like Souths or Knights, now have widely varied voting models.

So it's not true that WT are the only Sydney club that does not give members a say - many of the Sydney clubs are set up in such a way that if voting rights exist, they are still intentionally kept to a minority, so that the board cannot be toppled by popular vote. This is true of Dragons, Manly, Souths; I'm not sure now on the Panthers and Sharks.

Eels and Bulldogs retain the classic member-vote-board setup from the NSWRL days, and with all due respect, they are certainly some of the most dysfunctional setups going. All that Eels nonsense with Paul Osborne being sacked a few years back, then the sponsorship salary cap issue; the years-long efforts of Dennis Fitzgerald to retain his iron grip on the Eels and Leagues Club.

And then the Bulldogs, going through several board-level turnovers, and Lynn Anderson had to quietly step aside herself in recent years, despite waging a public and ultimately successful campaign to overturn the old Bulldogs Board. And that has no small part to play in the struggles the Bulldogs have experienced for the past half-decade.

So whilst I do support your notion that members should have more voting rights, it's not true that Wests are some kind of archaic or unusual outlier. It's not a democracy and most club boards are strong-armed by wealthy or powerful persons/factions.

You do officially have a mechanism to get votes onto the Wests Tigers board. You need to, same as Dragons, run for the Wests Ashfield Board (which you can do as a Wests member), then politick your way from the WA Board onto Tigers. It is possible.
Thats exactly right but it doesn't fit the OPs agenda. Also why on earth would you hold parra up as an example of board governance - they are a rabble every couple of years. The Op also doesn't point out that the majority of clubs DON'T give members any rights to elect board members.
 
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