NRL admits bunker mistake

[earl]

But if the transcript shows Klein didn’t clear the offside that might be the smoking gun

I don't think this will matter. I think the only way we can attack this is that the it shouldn't have gone to the bunker as the game was over or the rules didn't allow it to go to the bunker.

They've admitted it was a dud call. They can just say that is the game.

 

[Wokk_]

I saw the post that @jirskyr posted which said when you can do a captain's challege. I understand Annesley's POV that there was a stoppage, hence there could have been a captain's challenge. Anyway, the precedence has been set. This is the law from now on unless they change it.

By this logic we got penalised for a rule that literally was invented in that very moment. Did someone say corruption?

 

[Wokk_]

Surely the circumstances/criteria for a captains challenge have to be in place before the challenge, not because of the outcome of challenge, and that wasn’t the situation in this game. There was no penalty or subsequent restart as a precursor to the challenge (sorry posted this before elsewhere)

Keep saying it. Everyone seems to be missing this.

 

[Wokk_]

I don't think this will matter. I think the only way we can attack this is that the it shouldn't have gone to the bunker as the game was over or the rules didn't allow it to go to the bunker.

They've admitted it was a dud call. They can just say that is the game.

Exactly right. That is our only recourse for what isn't an interpretation of a rule (offside or the escort) but a flagrant bending of the rules (what can be deemed challengeable)

 

[earl]

Exactly right. That is our only recourse for what isn't an interpretation of a rule (offside or the escort) but a flagrant bending of the rules (what can be deemed challengeable)

It sucks but that is reality. I've calmed down a bit and really this is meaningless anyway. We get 2 points but we are dead last or at best we come 2nd last.

In stating that they need to look at the rules because it isn't clear and they have to improve the quality of officiating.

That was a terrible decision that robbed a great ending to the game.

 

[Wokk_]

Captain's challenges should only be permitted for decisions causing a stoppage where play is to be restarted, i.e. a penalty, line drop-out, scrum. The stoppage from the referee before full-time was not a stoppage resulting from a decision he had made, nor was it a stoppage which would result in a structured restart of play. Therefore, captain's challenge should not have been permitted at all.

You talk about precedent being set. Imagine the precedent of players now calling for a referee to blow a "short" whistle for a random stoppage of play after a tackle has been complete to captain's challenge the play before. Or would this only apply to the "short" whistle before fulltime? How would that work? You can only challenge the play before fulltime or halftime and not any other play before? So effectively, you're challenging the full time siren? Annesley misinterprets his own rules and should be sacked solely for the absolute bollocks he spewed in that press conference earlier today

100%

 

[Wokk_]

It sucks but that is reality. I've calmed down a bit and really this is meaningless anyway. We get 2 points but we are dead last or at best we come 2nd last.

In stating that they need to look at the rules because it isn't clear and they have to improve the quality of officiating.

That was a terrible decision that robbed a great ending to the game.

It's the principal of the trust in the game. This is borderline corruption. I won't follow the game anymore if there is nothing that comes from this.

 

[earl]

It's the principal of the trust in the game. This is borderline corruption. I won't follow the game anymore if there is nothing that comes from this.

Mate - I don't think anything will happen. I think the club is screwed because unless they can prove that the process was incorrectly followed then we can't do anything.

I can't walk away from one of my favorite pastimes/hobbies.

The NRL has so many things wrong with it on so many levels and our club continually cops it.

 

[Wokk_]

Mate - I don't think anything will happen. I think the club is screwed because unless they can prove that the process was incorrectly followed then we can't do anything.

I can't walk away from one of my favorite pastimes/hobbies.

The NRL has so many things wrong with it on so many levels and our club continually cops it.

Well I'm hopeful we can prove that based on the laws of the game and how they were ignored - it might not get 2 points back but people should be liable for this.

 

[BrissieTiger67]

So if Annesley says, they got it wrong and the penalty should not have been awarded and with no other time left in the game there is no grey area, why can't it be overturned?

 

[Wokk_]

So if Annesley says, they got it wrong and the penalty should not have been awarded and with no other time left in the game there is no grey area, why can't it be overturned?

Because that opens a Pandora's box - there are dud calls like that multiple times a year and that comes down to how the referee sees it at the time. If Butler had blown the penalty and we challenged and Klein decided our challenge is unsuccessful we can shout robbed till the cows come home. That's how they have interpreted it. We may be able to get it overturned because there is no rule that allows the decision to go to the bunker in the first place.

 

[Champ1]

You will never get two points back and that is fair enough. You would have clubs going through every call that is made during a game.

What you do want is a strong apology from the NRL and a strong message sent to the officials making the stuff ups that they are accountable and they face a stint in the lower grades. It has to be noted that Klein is no rookie, he is ranked no1, so there is no excuses, no grey areas, he stuffed up monumentally.

Disagree regarding getting the two points back. Its "NOT fair enough". This blatant mistake was made on the final buzzer, clearly a wrong decision changed the game without argument from anyone.
The other decisions you try to compare & minimise this one are made during the game , so there is ambiguity if those decisions would have changed the game. This one, being made right at the end, without question changed the game in favour of the Cowboys.

 

[earl]

So if Annesley says, they got it wrong and the penalty should not have been awarded and with no other time left in the game there is no grey area, why can't it be overturned?

They will just state it was a mistake. Mistakes get made all the time. That is why in his press conference he basically made up excuses for the process but not the decision.

They would have thought this through but at the same time his response to me was full of holes. I think it's full of holes because they are completely incompetent.

 

[Telltails]

Rules on the run. They know clubs can huff and puff as much as they like but it's all on again next week and the majority of fans will be well passed the indiscretions of the week before. If nothing else we may get some favourable calls in the next few weeks.

 

[Wokk_]

Rules on the run. They know clubs can huff and puff as much as they like but it's all on again next week and the majority of fans will be well passed the indiscretions of the week before. If nothing else we may get some favourable calls in the next few weeks.

But that's the problem. That just ruins the games integrity more I don't want favourable calls I want the right ones.

 

[Champ1]

Because that opens a Pandora's box - there are dud calls like that multiple times a year and that comes down to how the referee sees it at the time. If Butler had blown the penalty and we challenged and Klein decided our challenge is unsuccessful we can shout robbed till the cows come home. That's how they have interpreted it. We may be able to get it overturned because there is no rule that allows the decision to go to the bunker in the first place.

Disagree. This clearly wrong called was made on the whistle. The other dud calls you refer to were made during a game, and there would be argument that those calls actually changed the game . There is no such argument to be made here. As it was the very last play, this decision changed the game . There is no arguing of justifying that . Thats the difference.

 

[Wokk_]

Disagree. This clearly wrong called was made on the whistle. The other dud calls you refer to were made during a game, and there would be argument that those calls actually changed the game . There is no such argument to be made here. As it was the very last play, this decision changed the game . There is no arguing of justifying that . Thats the difference.

No what I mean to say is that there is no legal recourse to pursue in that instance. It comes down to an interpretation of a rule was it or was it not an escort? at the time it was called that way and then it's subjective after that. Cowboys would countersue and nobody would get anywhere.

 

[Telltails]

But that's the problem. That just ruins the games integrity more I don't want favourable calls I want the right ones.

Agree - but can't see this going much further than the outrage it caused yesterday and the aftermath of the discussion today.

 

[LARDS]

The only thing we can look forward to is when the transcript comes out as Lee has requested.
I reckon it will show Klein tipping the ref to review it which I don't think he's allowed to.
I think that's why they're asking for for it.

 

[Champ1]

No what I mean to say is that there is no legal recourse to pursue in that instance. It comes down to an interpretation of a rule was it or was it not an escort? at the time it was called that way and then it's subjective after that. Cowboys would countersue and nobody would get anywhere.

I hear you, but at the end of the day the NRL have admitted liability. The referees actions, who I think is in their employ, made a mistake( whether on purpose or otherwise) to create a situation where the Tigers were cost 2 points. Now it could be argued that if that leads us to get the spoon, some members would not renew their memberships,new members hesitant to join, & sponsors may not sponsor us in the future , causing the Tigers financial loss. There is a strong case here.