Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[momo_amp_medo]

So far as I can see the off-season is all outgoing or retiring and incoming is all speculation. Suggest we don't let any more go till we know for sure who if anyone is coming . Especially keep the few that can be match winners on their day Thats Hastings .Douehi and Brooks who I admit calling him a match winner is a stretch . We desperately need at least one center ,Edge forward and a big front rower to match Steph .Yet to see evidence of players of note wanting to come so hold fire on the releases till we get some good news
Cant build team on suggestions and pipe dreams

Nope …. you clear the decks first. Create space.
What you guys and girls need to do is just WAIT until uncle Sheens and his merry crew are finished with our 2023 roster.
No matter how much noise you make is not going to get this go any faster.
JUST BE BLOODY PATIENT for you lollies.

 

[Telltails]

Telling WTs fans to be "patient"..

 

[earl]

In a year if injury free - Stefano hits 50+ games, Pole could be in his 30 games, Twal close to 150 and Joffa 170+ - all of which younger than Musgrove.

It's a good point. They are all good players and better than Musgrove. The thing is to me Musgrove is one of our two big props.

Maybe a small pack with good ball movement can win more games ? Maybe Stef will be fit and firing all season and do that job for us.

 

[earl]

Herman Tofaeono who was a schoolboy star for Keebra last year & missed a lot of this season with injury.
Chris Faagutu and Justin Matamua will be very good mobile middles.
Jordan Miller.
Add those guys to Utoikamanu & Pole.

We are praying kids will carry us. I like it.

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

so out of your list of players which are Props, not middles?, and your time frame for this blessing?and unfortunately Utoikamanu, granted has been injured but has gone backwards. and Schoolboys is a lot different to the weekly NRL.

I say middles because who knows what type of middle Sheens will play in the front row.

Myself, I do hope we develop some powerful fast-at-the-line props to provide impact. That's what I believe Herman to be down-the-track.

Yeah the timeframe for this blessing as you call it is over the long-term and to introduce them while some experience is in there with them (Offa, Twal, whoever we may recruit).

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

You seem to be forgetting the players that have already taken spots out of the players going/gone...

Rua, Pole, Reilly, Fainu... All top 30 next year.
Said it before - Will say it again...

There's not as much room in top 30 as everyone assumes there is.
We're short on functional Props, Back Rowers and Centres

Haven't forgotten, we'll probably be able to bring in 3-4 more from other clubs for next season and they will be for a purpose to help develop the culture & style TS, BM & RF employ.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's John Bateman for 2 seasons, Andrew Fifita for 1 season, Charlie Staines for 2+ & perhaps Brad Parker for 2+ (as I saw that rumour a few weeks ago).

Times are different but Sheens did bring in Buettner & Sattler for a purpose back in the day too.

 

[earl]

There's not as much room in top 30 as everyone assumes there is.
We're short on functional Props, Back Rowers and Centres

My opinion is that we aren't going to be signing many players for next season.

I think we need edge backrowers desperately. We have IP and Blore/Kautoga and maybe Tumeth. Sheens mentioned Blore moving to the middle and that might work as well. Even if you play Blore on an edge if we can get 1/2 season out of him it'd be huge.

The big decisions though have to be made on Brooks, Doueihi, Laurie and Hastings. That is where the money will go. Do you get Munster or Moses (if possible) and let go of 2 out of the guys we have on contract.

 

[balmain boy]

We are praying kids will carry us. I like it.

To be fair these kids are some of the very top juniors in the country. Can't throw them all in at once obviously, but i imagine most if not all the players mentioned previously will play first grade next year, and if not the year after.

 

[balmain boy]

Musgrove has another few years and he's on what ~450k a season? When in reality he's a 200k at most kind of player. Do we want to chip in for him to go? Because we'll have to. But i do think even Fifita on 200k would be better value than Musgrove on full pay.

 

[Halbrowne61]

To be frank, I’d prefer Woods over Musgrove and that’s saying something. I don’t care how aggressive he wants to look or think he is. He is not the player at 26-27 I want the team to look up to to lead the forward pack.

No,no,no to Woods.

 

[Eternal Tiger]

From 'The Mole'

Benji Marshall faces the first crucial test of his leadership and diplomacy skills in coming weeks.

Benji is keen to bring local junior Mitchell Moses back to the Tigers from Parramatta and sees him as the answer to the club's play-making problems.

But some senior officials at the Tigers don't want Moses back - he wasn't a good fit at the club in his first stint there and he isn't a popular figure with Tigers players.

Only a few weeks back, he took a blatant dive when barely touched by Tigers debutant Justin Matamua, who was promptly sent to the sin bin and placed on report … and subsequently cleared.

Benji must weigh-up the other aspects that go into signing a player besides ability - the great coaches mould teams built on harmony and comradeship as well as talent.

Moses, meanwhile, has put talks with the Eels on hold until after the club finishes its playing commitments, and there is a big chance he will head to the November 1 negotiations deadline day unsigned.

Dragons eye Tigers prop​

The Dragons are keen to sign Tigers prop Zane Musgrove for next season.
Musgrove is on contract at Concord for two more years but the Tigers may let him go to the Big Red V if the two clubs can do a deal.

The Dragons are desperate for more size up front - they lost Daniel Alvaro to French club Toulouse mid-year and Tariq Sims (Melbourne) and Josh McGuire (Warrington) at the end of the season.

To date, they have yet to sign a player for 2023 and there are few big men on the market, hence their interest in Musgrove.

No way Moses comes back here. So Musgrove leaves.....another spot that will be filled by a Reserve Grader or Development player. 2023 will be worse than 2022.

 

[Eternal Tiger]

Is every 1 forgetting we won the spoon the place needs to be blown up and that’s what they’re doing moving as much cattle as possible to bring in new faces

Only problem is, it's all one way traffic. Who's coming in???

 

[Eternal Tiger]

The more we can offload or not re-sign who we know don't provide anything of substance to our mid to long term future is GREAT!

Peachey, Liddle, Kei, Tamou, Roberts, Gildart, Musgrove, Tuilagi, Garner, Madden (possibly others)

With the vacant spots & salary cap, we then be patient and fill these roster spots with our top juniors; players that fill a need and bring the required attitude, capability & leadership; or, elite players in spine/middle positions.

So we become bottom 4 for the next 3 years and those gun juniors get sick of playing in a crap side and know their development has stalled, and move elsewhere. 2017 will happen all over again.

 

[batboy]

To be fair these kids are some of the very top juniors in the country. Can't throw them all in at once obviously, but i imagine most if not all the players mentioned previously will play first grade next year, and if not the year after.

All Fairness taken into account.... Already.
They're not going to teach themselves to play Footy!!
Surrounding them with 'Real Nice" older fellas won't help either...
If you don't want to listen to me, I point you to the Wests Tigers Results from Seasons 2012-2015

The best juniors going - some generational players even...
Simona, Sironen, Tedesco, Woods, Brooks, Moses... A heap of U20's best team.

Summary = Surround the best kids you can find with nothing and no-ones all you like
but that's exactly what we'll all end up with.
None of the other successful teams are doing it this way - Bar Penrith (Arguably)
Outside that, how has it ever worked?

 

[batboy]

So we become bottom 4 for the next 3 years and those gun juniors get sick of playing in a crap side and know their development has stalled, and move elsewhere. 2017 will happen all over again.

Been harping on about this forever....

We've done it - It doesn't work...
We need more quality signings and stop promising (And giving) "Kids" NRL contracts!!

 

[Eternal Tiger]

Same board and CEO in charge. Nothing changes if nothing changes

 

[bptiger 0]

Hearing that our hunt for English players has hit a road block, yes a few are keen to come but have ask for more money than we want to pay , we will see u breaks 1st

 

[batboy]

Same board and CEO in charge. Nothing changes if nothing changes

To be fair, The Current CEO came in at the end of the last cycle....
Tried to rescue it and didn't succeed...

People tend to forget (Here especially) that Mark O'Neill was the General Football Manager in Pascoes First year and worked through the deals for the 'Big 4'
We lost most of them....

Although I don't blame him, Mark O'Neill also haves BOTH halves coming off Contract after November this year - And lost 4 of his Grand Final 17 for this year at Parramatta
(Should they make it)

 

[Pascoes_barber]

Only problem is, it's all one way traffic. Who's coming in???

Woods 🥳

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

Big yes ✅️✅️✅️ from me for Mitch Moses.
He's improved over the years and has become a really well rounded player.

As the article says he solves our play maker issues.

Interesting these articles keep coming out, around us targeting 6s and 7s.... albeit is most likely speculation, it does make one wonder if Brooks or Adam are out the door....

A spine of,

1 Laurie
6 AD
7 Moey
9 Api
13 Hastings

Is something I really like the look of....

Also - losing Musgrove would be fantastic but we need some more hard forwards for the team asap, for 23 and onwards whilst our young guns develope.

Hopefully we can go to market and improve the pack.

Not convinced about this sook, demanding 5/8 going to Melb talks a good game actions dont back it up. Remember leaving the line to pick up his mouthguard in the 70 point romp V the chooks.
Happily take Moses back he's a flog but he backs it up with actions, we chose Brooks to put the house on when in reality we should have probably coped a bit better with the Moses tantrum and prioritised him.
I'd also happily squeeze Munster in and let AD jog on to Melb so he can show Bellyache he cant tackle and can only pass to one side of the field.
Also could slip Laurie into 5/8th and shit Staines to FB, that could work.