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pawsandclaws1 said:
I remember him touching the ball multiple times when he played 7 and not setting much up at all. It would have been preferable for the team for him to touch the ball less. I guess Sheens sees it this way as well.
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Haha righto mate, let's have a look:

Jacko plays 11 games at half:

3 wins
0 tries
176 team points scored
6 forced dropouts
6 try assists
2 linebreaks
21 tackle breaks
1410 running metres
303 PCM
5 offloads
178 tackles
20 missed tackles (90% tackle efficiency)

Brooks in 17 games (7 at half, 10 at 5/8)

2 wins (0 @ half, 2 @ 5/8)
2 tries (0 @ half, 2 @ 5/8)
226 team points scored (84 @ half, 142 @ 5/8)
7 forced dropouts (1 @ half, 6 @ 5/8)
10 try assists (3 @ half, 7 @ 5/8)
3 linebreaks (1 @ half, 2 @ 5/8)
22 tackle breaks (7 @ half, 15 @ 5/8)
1258 running metres (512 @ half, 746 @ 5/8)
236 PCM (96 @ half, 140 @ 5/8)
11 offloads (8 @ half, 3 @ 5/8)
402 tackles (157 @ half, 245 @ 5/8)
75 missed tackles (27 @ half 85% TE, 48 @ 5/8 83% TE) 84% overall tackle efficiency

Looks to me that Hastings is a far more effective halfback that Brooks, and Brooks best football is at 5/8 which is what has long been said by many. You can pro-rata all his halfback stats to get the 11 game average for him and Hastings still outperforms him, sans offloads.

I know you're going through the stages of grief about Brooks potentially going, but the team is a better attacking outfit with Jacko at half. The results and stats this season say that.
 
Cultured_Bogan said:
Haha righto mate, let's have a look:

Jacko plays 11 games at half:

3 wins
0 tries
176 team points scored
6 forced dropouts
6 try assists
2 linebreaks
21 tackle breaks
1410 running metres
303 PCM
5 offloads
178 tackles
20 missed tackles (90% tackle efficiency)

Brooks in 17 games (7 at half, 10 at 5/8)

2 wins (0 @ half, 2 @ 5/8)
2 tries (0 @ half, 2 @ 5/8)
226 team points scored (84 @ half, 142 @ 5/8)
7 forced dropouts (1 @ half, 6 @ 5/8)
10 try assists (3 @ half, 7 @ 5/8)
3 linebreaks (1 @ half, 2 @ 5/8)
22 tackle breaks (7 @ half, 15 @ 5/8)
1258 running metres (512 @ half, 746 @ 5/8)
236 PCM (96 @ half, 140 @ 5/8)
11 offloads (8 @ half, 3 @ 5/8)
402 tackles (157 @ half, 245 @ 5/8)
75 missed tackles (27 @ half 85% TE, 48 @ 5/8 83% TE) 84% overall tackle efficiency

Looks to me that Hastings is a far more effective halfback that Brooks, and Brooks best football is at 5/8 which is what has long been said by many. You can pro-rata all his halfback stats to get the 11 game average for him and Hastings still outperforms him, sans offloads.

The team is a better attacking outfit with Jacko at half. The results and stats this season say that.
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All the stats in the world won't change the fact that Sheens believes he is a 13. It is a fact.
 
pawsandclaws1 said:
All the stats in the world won't change the fact the fact Sheens believes he is a 13. It is a fact.
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That's fine he's the coach and his livelihood rides and dies on his opinion, you think Brooks is a 7 because he's fast lol. He's not even the most effective half at the club.

Whatever helps you get through this tumultuous time mate...
 
Lukic said:
The only times we looked good last season were with Hastings in the line-up. I cannot for the life or me understand why we wouldn't re-sign him. He's great at 7 or 13. I'd prefer 7 because it's harder to find a class 7 than it is to get a good 13.

Deadset we went like 2-17 with Brooks in the team.
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Brooks season was atrocious no doubt and he definitely needs to go but i'm getting a little bit tired of people throwing Hastings up as the answer. His win record wasn't much better at 4 - 16. Douehi's win percentage was even worse than Brooks.
 
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Cultured_Bogan said:
Haha righto mate, let's have a look:

Jacko plays 11 games at half:

3 wins
0 tries
176 team points scored
6 forced dropouts
6 try assists
2 linebreaks
21 tackle breaks
1410 running metres
303 PCM
5 offloads
178 tackles
20 missed tackles (90% tackle efficiency)

Brooks in 17 games (7 at half, 10 at 5/8)

2 wins (0 @ half, 2 @ 5/8)
2 tries (0 @ half, 2 @ 5/8)
226 team points scored (84 @ half, 142 @ 5/8)
7 forced dropouts (1 @ half, 6 @ 5/8)
10 try assists (3 @ half, 7 @ 5/8)
3 linebreaks (1 @ half, 2 @ 5/8)
22 tackle breaks (7 @ half, 15 @ 5/8)
1258 running metres (512 @ half, 746 @ 5/8)
236 PCM (96 @ half, 140 @ 5/8)
11 offloads (8 @ half, 3 @ 5/8)
402 tackles (157 @ half, 245 @ 5/8)
75 missed tackles (27 @ half 85% TE, 48 @ 5/8 83% TE) 84% overall tackle efficiency

Looks to me that Hastings is a far more effective halfback that Brooks, and Brooks best football is at 5/8 which is what has long been said by many. You can pro-rata all his halfback stats to get the 11 game average for him and Hastings still outperforms him, sans offloads.

I know you're going through the stages of grief about Brooks potentially going, but the team is a better attacking outfit with Jacko at half. The results and stats this season say that.
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Brooks is an offloading machine when he wears the 7. That was my take-out.
 
diedpretty said:
Brooks season was atrocious no doubt and he definitely needs to go but i'm getting a little bit tired of people throwing Hastings up as the answer. His win record wasn't much better at 4 - 16. Douehi's win percentage was even worse than Brooks.
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That's all true but don't forget, it's the team which finished last that we're talking about - no surprises there!
 
Cultured_Bogan said:
That's fine he's the coach and his livelihood rides and dies on his opinion, you think Brooks is a 7 because he's fast lol. He's not even the most effective half at the club.

Whatever helps you get through this tumultuous time mate...
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This is about Hastings, not Brooks. You'll find Sheens and Marshall want pace in the halves for the style they want to play. I've already mentioned George Williams as a 7 option if Brooks goes.
 
pawsandclaws1 said:
This is about Hastings, not Brooks. You'll find Sheens and Marshall want pace in the halves for the style they want to play. I've already mentioned George Williams as a 7 option if Brooks goes.
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That's the big clue right there - Sheens has said we'll be playing a whole different style in 2023.
 
tiger_one said:
That's all true but don't forget, it's the team which finished last that we're talking about - no surprises there!
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Thats the point isn't it. People saying our terrible season was all on Brooks when the other 2 were just as bad and yet some on here seem to think Hastings and Douehi should be our 6 and 7. Lord help us if thats the halves pairing we trot out with next year.
 
diedpretty said:
Brooks season was atrocious no doubt and he definitely needs to go but i'm getting a little bit tired of people throwing Hastings up as the answer. His win record wasn't much better at 4 - 16. Douehi's win percentage was even worse than Brooks.
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Yeah....
I wonder when someone will make the correlation between getting the spoon and the players that lead there...
Hastings talks well and seems to know the game - Doesn't make him an accomplished NRL half.
Doueihi hasn't proven anything.... Does some things better than the other Halves,
Does others much worse... And has a long list of things he'd need rapid improvement on.
I wouldn't be spending more than 5-600 on anyone.

With Brooks leaving seemingly growing legs....
I don't know which way to go - Or which way they'll go....

The good teams are seemingly running with a 5 man attack - The spine + Lock...
I think Hastings worked well at 13, If he sees himself as an out and out 7...
We either play him there or he chases it elsewhere....
Weather he gets it or not will remain to be seen.

At the end of the day, We're so lacking is many other areas
- At this point (And has been the case for years) I think the Halves matter little,
And are the least of our problems.
 
Cultured_Bogan said:
Well if they want attacking footy from their halfback, Brooks won't feature in those plans.

Brooks touched the ball plenty this year too, he just did nothing with it at half.
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Probably forced to give it to Seyfarth or another match winner....
 
Demps said:
Hastings isn't a 7...

Except when he displaced Brooks from the 7 and played 7 and did an outstanding job playing 7.

#Extend Brooks

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Outstanding?
You for real?

He was better - You reckon any top 8 teams are lining up for his signature after what we saw this year.... Doubtful.
 
Cultured_Bogan said:
Oh OK, Hastings had Kikau, Latrell and JAC running off him did he? I must have been in a coma those weeks...
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No - But you missed the point, Again.
Hastings nor Doueihi nor Madden did any better with the current side.
I don't expect much more from them next year without significant squad improvement.
 
WT2K said:
Odds they link WT to him once Nov 1 hits?
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1582648841634861063
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To be fair, I know he is mentioned as playing lazy and not getting involved but for us a back rower that makes tackles and avg but on his day is the biggest strike weapon in the comp is probably the best signing we could ever make.
Even if his salary was closer to the 1 mil mark then 500k.
 
Halbrowne61 said:
Sometimes I wonder; why the f.., would he even talk to Mansour. I just don’t understand that logic, if it’s true of course.
And Woods as well.
I actually thought we might have been going forward but everything seems to be turning negative again.
I also mentioned that Kenny may be going, anyone know the facts around that little story.
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Due to their age our football staff see him a a spritely youngster
 
sleeve said:
Fox sport saying Tigers taking Andrew Fiffita fot 1 yr . The guys been on 1 leg for 2 yrs lol
This would be as bad as the Storm 2nd rower who arrives with more bandages then a mummy!

Hope this is wrong, or Tigers fans will leave in droves.
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You do realise that statistically Fifita out performed all of our props this season?
 
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