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For someone who claims, "I want rational discussion", you scored an auto goal. Evidence, you ask? You did not read my post, or otherwise, you would not have come up with your point 1.
So you claim that you want "rational discussion" and did not bother to read my post and just jumped with a first thought you have?
So please, can you describe your definition of a "rational discussion" so we know that includes ignoring the post you reply to?
Ahh yes, Yoss the guy thats always after an honest discussion, what is that saying about lefties and honesty?
 
More stuff getting done for the nation today, with Albanese proving to be a good PM thus far, even warming to the despatch box.

Quite an impressive half year of government for both diplomatic and legislative accomplishments, and if Michaelia Cash would just shut up, a lot more would get done. Hasn't she got some media to tip off about a raid, or at least something more constructive than obstruction or screeching like a cockatoo.
I like the part when he drank that beer, the rest....meh


 
Rational as in having a rational argument for a defendable perspective. Pretty simple. I don’t think I was rude or belligerent. I’m making the point that your evidence mostly seems to concern cooperation that occurred between the USSR and Germany before 1941 but ignores the reasons for that cooperation or the lengthy, brutal war they fought. I read what you wrote but the suggestion that the Soviet Communists and the NSDAP are ideological partners is just not supportable. Obviously we’re talking about two dictators who are expansionist in their outlook. But Hitler despised communists. Hated them. And even Stalin ran a planned economy with entirely centralised public ownership.

If your main point is the Molotov-Ribbentrop Agreement being evidence of some sort of mutual political understanding or friendship, pointing out that they went to war not long after is a reasonable counterpoint surely?
do you bother to answer my question re your "rational discussion" definition, or do you want to cancel it? 🤐
 
More stuff getting done for the nation today, with Albanese proving to be a good PM thus far, even warming to the despatch box.

Quite an impressive half year of government for both diplomatic and legislative accomplishments, and if Michaelia Cash would just shut up, a lot more would get done. Hasn't she got some media to tip off about a raid, or at least something more constructive than obstruction or screeching like a cockatoo.

Poor Michaelia isn’t coping well with opposition life.

I will say that Dutton at time surprises me. Whilst I think his tactics are poorly thought out, he can come across as thoughtful and conciliatory at times.

The ALP is fortunate to have a good batch of smart capable ministers. There are few weak performers in parliament.
 
do you bother to answer my question re your "rational discussion" definition, or do you want to cancel it? 🤐
The dudes an NPC at best, one of those bots Elon is after.

Insert lefty talking point, ignore facts, yell conspiracy nut at everyone and then claim 'all I ever want is a conversation' while ignoring direct questions and anything looking like a conversation while claiming he answered all questions asked. Rinse and repeat - about 50 times in this thread.


Edit - cant make this up, the NPC just did it in the reply above this. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤡
"I answered your question respectfully"
 
Interestingly, Treasury Secretary Yellen claimed today the her administration is considering running a National Security probe into Musk's Twitter purchase.

Obviously, the Democrats preferred when Twitter was censored.

Isn’t it more on the basis that the Saudis were pumping money into some Musk private company?

I’ll say one thing about Musk, Twitter has been a lot more interesting since he became the owner!
 
Interestingly, Treasury Secretary Yellen claimed today the her administration is considering running a National Security probe into Musk's Twitter purchase.

Obviously, the Democrats preferred when Twitter was censored.
He's over the Target. The left has lost complete control of the narratives the Dems feed on twitter and their bots cant stand it.

Tim Cook did a massive backflip today after Elon posed the idea of entering the phone market. Elon is the greatest troll to the left since Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon.
 
Isn’t it more on the basis that the Saudis were pumping money into some Musk private company?

I’ll say one thing about Musk, Twitter has been a lot more interesting since he became the owner!
That's right, only the govt is allowed to condone the Saudis killing of a journalist and dealing in arms and oil. Nothing like the hypocrisy of the government.

Its weird now twitter allows free speech and other opinions after claiming for years they arent biased at all 🤣 🤣 . Its a lot more interesting when the left gets shot down immediately rather then being allowed to spread misinformation.

The brutal Alyssa Milano takedown the other day was pure poetry.
 
That's right, only the govt is allowed to condone the Saudis killing of a journalist and dealing in arms and oil. Nothing like the hypocrisy of the government.

Its weird now twitter allows free speech and other opinions after claiming for years they arent biased at all 🤣 🤣 . Its a lot more interesting.
The U.S. always applied double standards and believed they were exceptional.

But they had a modicum of discretion which seems evaporating now that they are under geopolitical pressure.
 
The U.S. always applied double standards and believed they were exceptional.

But they had a modicum of discretion which seems evaporating now that they are under geopolitical pressure.
The way the media and Dems treated the Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon presidency resulted in all decorum and discretion out the window. The Biden Administration are reaping what they sowed. With the scrutiny coming from the left and right over seemingly every action, no longer can the US govt get away with as much as they did behind closed doors in previous Administrations.
 
a few references for those with more interest in this subject

German's rearmament, violation of the Versai treaty
During the Weimar era, there was extensive economic interaction between Germany and the Soviet Union. A component of German rearmament was covertly holding military training exercises in the Soviet Union to hide their extent from other countries. Germany–Soviet Union relations of the interwar period were complex, as bellicosity and cooperation coexisted in tortuous combinations.
  1. Gordon H. Mueller, "Rapallo Reexamined: a new look at Germany's secret military collaboration with Russia in 1922." Journal of Military History 40.3 (1976): 109.
What did Hitler and Stalin think of each other?
Hitler once summed up Stalin brilliantly: "Stalin started as a desk clerk, and he is still a desk clerk." What he meant, of course, is that Stalin thought and acted like a mediocre bureaucrat, not a statesman and visionary like himself. Curiously, this opinion was shared by Stalin's arch-enemy, Leon Trotsky, who remarked to his followers, "Stalin is a mediocrity, but he is the best mediocrity in the Communist Party."
Stalin was startled by Hitler since the Fuhrer broke the stereotype, popular even today, that all Germans are obedient and law-abiding. In conversation with German journalist Emil Ludwig after Hitler came to power, Stalin laughed at how docile his German communist comrades had behaved during his one visit to Germany before World War I, then added, "But no one would say that of the Germans today"; a back-handed way of admiring Hitler for having radically changed the German national character.
Hitler appreciated Stalin. They respected each other as enemies and did not underestimate each other. Stalin showed less respect openly … Hitler somehow admired Stalin in his private talks…( not in public, understandably) .
Even in wartime and under the influence of propaganda, on 19 July 1941, Hitler stated:
"Stalin is one of the most extraordinary figures in world history. He began as a small clerk and has never stopped being a clerk. Stalin owes nothing to rhetoric. He governs from his office, thanks to a bureaucracy that obeys his every nod and gesture. It's striking that Russian propaganda always holds itself within certain limits in the criticisms it makes of us. Stalin, that cunning Caucasian, is ready to abandon European Russia if he thinks that a failure to solve her problems would cause him to lose everything. Let nobody think Stalin might reconquer Europe from the Urals! It is as if I were installed in Slovakia and could set out to reconquer the Reich. This is the catastrophe that will cause the loss of the Soviet Empire." Source: Goodreads
When we remember the beginning of the story, the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact:
The Molotov-Ribbentrop treaty was signed at 2 am on the 24th of 1939. The two dictators sealed Poland's fate and set in motion a chain of events that would soon engulf the globe in World War II.
Bottles of champagne were opened to toast the historic moment. Stalin raised his glass to Hitler's health. "A fine fellow," remarked the Soviet dictator. Yet, 21 months later, the pact would prove to be just another scrap of paper, for Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union would collide in a titanic struggle to become the most significant land war in history. Source: National interest

German's rearmament, how Lenin/Stalin helped in building Germany's weapons

Molotov - Ribbentrop pact

Katyn Forrest massacre, how Stalin intended to preempt Poland's post-war revolt

German's/USSR's combined attack on Poland and division of the country

The Gestapo–NKVD conferences were a series of security police meetings organised in late 1939 and early 1940 by Germany and the Soviet Union following the invasion of Poland in accordance with the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact.[1] The meetings enabled both parties to pursue specific goals and aims, as outlined independently by Hitler and Stalin, about the acquired formerly Polish territories.[3] The Gestapo and the NKVD officials held the conferences in several Polish cities. Despite their differences on other issues, Heinrich Himmler and Lavrentiy Beria had similar objectives regarding the fate of pre-war Poland.[2][3] The objectives were agreed upon during the German-Soviet Boundary and Friendship Treaty signing on 28 September 1939.

The Nazi-Soviet Pact: A Betrayal of Communists by Communists
A train of many trains, of forgotten trains. Special trains in which the NKVD transport German or Austrian communists to the German border deliver them to the Gestapo.
 
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