Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

Odessa said:
Will it ever but when there is a Uncle Nick there is a way maybe golf followed by some beach sprints abit like the botany bay gift some big cash prizes Nick vs Suaalil over 120 M it could be big maybe get Victor involved
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At least Nick can work on his Greek tan
 
happy_tiger said:
But if you can have them all coming off contract the same time you can get them and the player more money

Look what happened with Tedesco ....Brooks ...Woods ....Moses
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The exact situation Isaac caused the last time, but I'm pretty sure at that time Brooks left Isaac Moses and has representation elsewhere
 
liltiger said:
Out of curiosity Is da Silva on a train and trial contract or is he in the top 30 as a 17 year old.
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Train and trial contract.

Da Silva will start the year in SG Ball with Western Suburbs and then play Flegg later in the year when that starts.

You can find the Top 30 in the first post of this thread:

OFFICIAL - 2023 Top 30 / Ins and Outs

Confirmed Squad as of May 23, 2023 This post will be updated with changes as they come. 2023 Roster - 29/30 1. Adam Doueihi 2. Alex Seyfarth 3. Alex Twal 4. Apisai Koroisau (c) 5. Apisalome Saukuru 6. Asu Kepaoa 7. Brandon Tumeth 8. Brandon Wakeham 9. Brent Naden 10. Charlie Staines 11. Daine...
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The-moP said:
This kid is as they say these days "OG" !!. If he keeps going on the trajectory path that he is currently on, I'd say the back end of 2024 season we might see him getting a few runs in the top grade. Very talent kid, great training ethics, a speedy, creative runner with ball in hand, good distribution out of half, gusty and effective defender. Definitely a star in the making, one to hold onto, if we can hold off all the clubs from pouching him.
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Yes but with what happen to liddle was poor. Rushing him in too early caused early injuries. With a double shoulder reco the result of a body not ready for the grind of first grade, tacking 120kg giants. Happens all over the league, just because they have the skills doesn’t mean their body have matured enough. Let’s take our time with him, and discuss it with him so he knows why we are holding him back. Remember same thing happened to bunji!!
 
KingRobbie said:
Train and trial contract.

Da Silva will start the year in SG Ball with Western Suburbs and then play Flegg later in the year when that starts.

You can find the Top 30 in the first post of this thread:

OFFICIAL - 2023 Top 30 / Ins and Outs

Confirmed Squad as of May 23, 2023 This post will be updated with changes as they come. 2023 Roster - 29/30 1. Adam Doueihi 2. Alex Seyfarth 3. Alex Twal 4. Apisai Koroisau (c) 5. Apisalome Saukuru 6. Asu Kepaoa 7. Brandon Tumeth 8. Brandon Wakeham 9. Brent Naden 10. Charlie Staines 11. Daine...
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Is this the right way to do it in your opinion?
These Matts boys were included on train and trial contracts to allow them to train with first grade in the off season and if something dramatic happens either with their form or injuries of top grade squad members they may be called up to firsts.
The alternative is a developmental contract.

Does anyone know the difference between the two? They seem to have the same benefit in ways but obviously there are differences in remuneration.
I’m curious what the terms and conditions to a T&T contract are oppose to a Development contract.
 
BAGNF05 said:
Personally I hope that holiday is a WT TPA. About time we arrived in the real world of elite professional sport.
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Most of the players who played in the World cup do not start preseason till early Jan. Bateman to the best of my knowledge has signed but there is no media release till Moses things is resolved as his contract could need a re write
 
Needaname said:
Is this the right way to do it in your opinion?
These Matts boys were included on train and trial contracts to allow them to train with first grade in the off season and if something dramatic happens either with their form or injuries of top grade squad members they may be called up to firsts.
The alternative is a developmental contract.

Does anyone know the difference between the two? They seem to have the same benefit in ways but obviously there are differences in remuneration.
I’m curious what the terms and conditions to a T&T contract are oppose to a Development contract.
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Train and trial earn $1K/week. Unsure on the conditions but it seems that a player probably gets given 4 weeks notice or something of the sort when their time is up. Development players earn $60K/year. Their time is guaranteed and they may even have clauses which allow them to be promoted to the top 30.

T&T is a lower paying, less secure job, basically.
 
Needaname said:
Is this the right way to do it in your opinion?
These Matts boys were included on train and trial contracts to allow them to train with first grade in the off season and if something dramatic happens either with their form or injuries of top grade squad members they may be called up to firsts.
The alternative is a developmental contract.

Does anyone know the difference between the two? They seem to have the same benefit in ways but obviously there are differences in remuneration.
I’m curious what the terms and conditions to a T&T contract are oppose to a Development contract.
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I think the main differences are that Development Contracts are fixed contracts, whereas train-and-trial players can be cut at any time (someone correct me if I’m wrong on this).
You can only have a certain number of Development Players.

For example, start of 2021 we had Tyronne Roberts-Davis training with us over pre-season and played both trial matches.
He didn’t perform well in either game and was cut.

Train-and-Trial deals are also cheaper.

Development Contracts also can have clauses in them guaranteeing Top 30 deals for later seasons.

This was the case for Lomi Saukuru going into the Top 30 in 2023, and Josh Feledy’s current Development Deal which guarantees him a Top 30 spot in 2024 and 2025.
 
Luke Brooks #1 Fan said:
Train and trial earn $1K/week. Unsure on the conditions but it seems that a player probably gets given 4 weeks notice or something of the sort when their time is up. Development players earn $60K/year. Their time is guaranteed and they may even have clauses which allow them to be promoted to the top 30.

T&T is a lower paying, less secure job, basically.
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Beat me to it.
 
KingRobbie said:
Train and trial contract.

Da Silva will start the year in SG Ball with Western Suburbs and then play Flegg later in the year when that starts.

You can find the Top 30 in the first post of this thread:

OFFICIAL - 2023 Top 30 / Ins and Outs

Confirmed Squad as of May 23, 2023 This post will be updated with changes as they come. 2023 Roster - 29/30 1. Adam Doueihi 2. Alex Seyfarth 3. Alex Twal 4. Apisai Koroisau (c) 5. Apisalome Saukuru 6. Asu Kepaoa 7. Brandon Tumeth 8. Brandon Wakeham 9. Brent Naden 10. Charlie Staines 11. Daine...
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Cheers, must be one of the youngest players we have ever contracted
 
supercoach said:
Right from the start of the Moses thing I thought it would turn out like all the others. I am now thinking maybe this will have a happy ending. Just think Issac Moses has three contracts all tired up in this deal, MM, Brooks and Bateman. So he has a lot to gain along with the players
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I don’t understand how he benefits anymore than just letting them sign anywhere? Doesn’t the agent get a cut of the contract fullstop? Is there some extra club payment if multiple players from the same management company are signed at one club? Doesn’t make sense to me but maybe I’m missing something…..
 
KingRobbie said:
I think the main differences are that Development Contracts are fixed contracts, whereas train-and-trial players can be cut at any time (someone correct me if I’m wrong on this).
You can only have a certain number of Development Players.

For example, start of 2021 we had Tyronne Roberts-Davis training with us over pre-season and played both trial matches.
He didn’t perform well in either game and was cut.

Train-and-Trial deals are also cheaper.

Development Contracts also can have clauses in them guaranteeing Top 30 deals for later seasons.

This was the case for Lomi Saukuru going into the Top 30 in 2023, and Josh Feledy’s current Development Deal which guarantees him a Top 30 spot in 2024 and 2025.
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Train and trial are usually built into a contract for say 4-6 weeks or longer, typically with a fixed amount to play KOE. Quite a few of these started either this week or last week.
 
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