Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[liltiger]

Publishing salaries helping keep the salary cap fair won't help as 3rd party payments are not policed and i can just imagine what side deals are done with businesses that have connections to board members etc.
I think they should have a transfer system in place like what they have in Europe for soccer. So clubs that develop youngsters get rewarded for investing in the development of players. Sure they wont be able to keep all of them but they could still manage to keepna core group of them. The nrl could also reward the clubs with some % of the developed players salary not counting towards the salary cap? (Which there is a form of that already)
Any my 2cents

Pretty sure even though third party agreements aren't policed they must be disclosed to the N.R.L. It would make for very interesting reading, if say the Tigers sign player A for 450k and Brydens throw in a top up of 200k.
How would the club explain our chairman's company offering a tpa, when the agreements are supposed to be at arms length from the clubs.
This would be rife throughout the N.R.L.
I would love to know how many tpas can be traced back to the Roosters board members.

 

[liltiger]

Caffeine, paracetamol, alcohol, not safe in small quantities, huh?

MDMA, cannabis, morphine, psilocybin are all administered by doctors to treat a variety of issues from chronic pain to insomnia to anxiety. Not safe, eh?

EVERYTHING is dose dependent.

C'mon now, Daz, this isn't Reagan-era United States here..

I think the point he might be making is the same as yours, under medical supervision generally anything is fine.

 

[tiger_one]

I would love to know how many tpas can be traced back to the Roosters board members.

 

[LUPO]

Hear, hear!

Contracts and salaries should be transparent throughout all organisations. Tendering and negotiations are a different matter.

I think the idea is if a player is on the open market fielding offers of say 1M/year and then signs with another club for 700/year, it justifies being looked into/questioned (because what player would really take 300K less).

Yes a team could just submit a fake sum with the rest under the table but that fake sum would still need to be very close to their market value to not raise suspicion...so if you stack your side with heaps of million dollar market players (i.e The Roosters) it would still be hard to fit them under the one cap even if the sums are fake because they would still need to be close to market value in the public eye.

In saying this, I agree there would be a lot of loop holes and with third party deals, it would be

Funny how the Players Association don’t mind spruiking what the minimum wage should be. Looks like protecting the elite end of players

 

[Fingers83]

Beau Fermor has ruptured his ACL at Titans training. HUGE loss for them.

 

[Roar_Power]

Beau Fermor has ruptured his ACL at Titans training. HUGE loss for them.

They were speaking about him being a maroon this year. Huge loss.

 

[The Fresh Oil]

To be honest, I'm not sure how they prescribe it. Are you certain about that? Microdosing is all the buzz, but not sure if that's to do with prescribed consumption

its the future my mans.

If you're an investor type, check out IHL on the asx. imo pioneering using Psilocybin as a treatment . Already in stage 3 trial and bff's with the FDA. The PSI-GAD trial for general anxiety has the chance to be a real game changer in a huuuuuge market.

They also play in the cannabinoid space with OSA but I think the really money spinner is the magic mushrooms.

 

[dazza65]

Caffeine, paracetamol, alcohol, not safe in small quantities, huh?

MDMA, cannabis, morphine, psilocybin are all administered by doctors to treat a variety of issues from chronic pain to insomnia to anxiety. Not safe, eh?

EVERYTHING is dose dependent.

C'mon now, Daz, this isn't Reagan-era United States here..

My comment was somewhat flippant and we were talking about "illicit" drugs and not prescribed or "approved" drugs - and drugs under medical supervision is usually fine, although, since you brought it up - paracetamol for example, because it is such an old drug detailed studies have largely not been done until recently. These studies have shown that paracetamol use is associated with increased rates rates of death, heart attack, stomach bleeding and kidney failure. Paracetamol is known to cause liver failure in overdose, but it also causes liver failure in people taking standard doses for pain relief. The risk is only about one in a million, but it is a risk. All these different risks stack up. So, as I said no drug is "safe" but also needed in a lot of cases, under medical supervision. Illicit drugs, not under the supervision of a medical professional is not safe, no.

 

[bathursttiger1]

Pretty sure even though third party agreements aren't policed they must be disclosed to the N.R.L. It would make for very interesting reading, if say the Tigers sign player A for 450k and Brydens throw in a top up of 200k.
How would the club explain our chairman's company offering a tpa, when the agreements are supposed to be at arms length from the clubs.
This would be rife throughout the N.R.L.
I would love to know how many tpas can be traced back to the Roosters board members.

Brydens can’t fun WT players with TPA’s as any TPA’s have to be at arms length from any club sponsor.
That’s why the NRL knocked back Harry T even after he stopped being the club’s major sponsor.

 

[hank37w]

Brydens can’t fun WT players with TPA’s as any TPA’s have to be at arms length from any club sponsor.
That’s why the NRL knocked back Harry T even after he stopped being the club’s major sponsor.

Still do not understand why Harry can't do TPA's now that he does not sponsor Wests Tigers officially in any way, as far as I am aware at least.

I'm sure he tips in some money somewhere and he must still be regarded as a sponsor by the NRL even though he or his business no longer feature on any of our jerseys.

Can somebody shed some light on this or did Harry spit the dummy when he was not allowed to take over the whole show and run it his way?

 

[Kelce68]

My comment was somewhat flippant and we were talking about "illicit" drugs and not prescribed or "approved" drugs - and drugs under medical supervision is usually fine, although, since you brought it up - paracetamol for example, because it is such an old drug detailed studies have largely not been done until recently. These studies have shown that paracetamol use is associated with increased rates rates of death, heart attack, stomach bleeding and kidney failure. Paracetamol is known to cause liver failure in overdose, but it also causes liver failure in people taking standard doses for pain relief. The risk is only about one in a million, but it is a risk. All these different risks stack up. So, as I said no drug is "safe" but also needed in a lot of cases, under medical supervision. Illicit drugs, not under the supervision of a medical professional is not safe, no.

I don't disagree with most of what you're saying, but, in order for something to be 'safe', it doesn't need to be risk-free. Air travel for example is considered by and large a 'safe' way to travel, but there are still fatalities. Whether something is considered safe is largely down to whether the prevalence of an adverse outcome is statistically significant.

Illicit drugs, not under the supervision of a medical professional is not safe, no.

This is not true. At all. It is the dosage administered that entirely determines whether taking a particular substance or not is safe, not who is supervising your dose. There is no better example of this fallacy than the fact that nurses and doctors have, and unfortunately on occasion will continue to, administered incorrect dosages to patients leading to illness or death.

Anyway, as I said before to someone else, I think this is all good chat, but we've highjacked the wrong thread again.

 

[851]

Bobbie Goulding was a pub footballer who had an alcohol problem, he should have kept quiet.

Goulding played 366 games in the ESL, 17 times for Great Britian and 5 times for England, not too bad for a pub footballer

 

[earl]

Still do not understand why Harry can't do TPA's now that he does not sponsor Wests Tigers officially in any way, as far as I am aware at least.

I'm pretty sure he gives money to us. I remember Pascoe went and talked him and gave him a jersey once. It might have been in that documentary. He must be chucking in. The question is how much ?

 

[hank37w]

Yes it was definitely in the doco where Pascoe goes cap in hand to suck up to Harry with a bag full of goodies.

 

[upthetigers]

Caffeine, paracetamol, alcohol, not safe in small quantities, huh?

MDMA, cannabis, morphine, psilocybin are all administered by doctors to treat a variety of issues from chronic pain to insomnia to anxiety. Not safe, eh?

EVERYTHING is dose dependent.

C'mon now, Daz, this isn't Reagan-era United States here..

Drugs are more dangerous because they're illegal. Look at the fentanyl contaminated heroin epidemic in the US, it would be much better to have a harm minimization model because kids (and adults) will do illicit drugs regardless.

 

[Demps]

Caffeine, paracetamol, alcohol, not safe in small quantities, huh?

MDMA, cannabis, morphine, psilocybin are all administered by doctors to treat a variety of issues from chronic pain to insomnia to anxiety. Not safe, eh?

EVERYTHING is dose dependent.

C'mon now, Daz, this isn't Reagan-era United States here..

 

[happy_tiger]

We had 2 players gone for the year before rd1 last year, what did we get

A wooden spoon

 

[AdelaideTiger]

JP was addicted to Benzodiazepines, wouldn't be asking him about dosage...

 

[AdelaideTiger]

Beau Fermor has ruptured his ACL at Titans training. HUGE loss for them.

That's the Shawn Blore special, gotta feel for the bloke, one of their shining lights last year.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Interesting you mention Stalin being a massive drinker but part of the reason was to see if he could trust his advisors and generals when they had a large amount of alcohol.More than a few were arrested for saying the wrong thing (a week or 2 later) and if you did not drink with him he also saw it as grounds for suspicion and arrest.
Hitler was evil but Stalin was just as bad.

He started watering down his alcohol because the doctors warned he was in bad health. He also used that as an opportunity as you say to weed out the apparent conspirators.

Guys like Kruschev literally drank themselves to the point where they piss themselves while blacked out. Listen to the behind the bastards pod about him. It's an absolute hoot.