Mitchell Moses #175

[vlad]

Tipping that Isaac is on the phone this morning to their club of choice to say Mitch is ready to sign

 

[TCL]

Tanked it last night to get an early release

 

[earl]

Hard to solely blame him.

I agree but Brooks cops it when he performs like that. If Brooks put in a performance like any of the halves last night he would be crucified.

 

[bythebeardofzeus]

It's games like these against Melbourne that really highlight Moses' deficiencies. Tightly contested, not much space, against strong edge defense and he looks very average and limited.

Not doing anything wrong but just a bit passive and pedestrian.

He's a decent half but you rarely see him change the momentum of a game in the same way the proper superstars can; rather he looks good when team going good.

Agree! Compare that to how Munster & Grant impacted the result. It was there for everyone to see last night. In saying that signing Moses would make us stronger & I believe get us into the 8. But he ain’t at that true superstar level.

 

[TigerLouis]

Moses is an awesome player & has proven that over the last 4-5 years at Parra so it’s harsh to criticise him after one game.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Agree! Compare that to how Munster & Grant impacted the result. It was there for everyone to see last night. In saying that signing Moses would make us stronger & I believe get us into the 8. But he ain’t at that true superstar level.

I agree he didn’t step up when the game was on the line.

Have seen a few comments like Munster & Grant, Munster & Hughes etc. Brown and Hodgson were bog average both looked well off pace. The parra edge forwards got owned & Melbourne actually were able to make meters alot easier & slowed the parra play the balls down alot. NRL stats show on average each PTB was almost 1 sec slower than the Storm. Parra also had some brain snaps Sivo kick on the 2nd etc.

It was game 1 but $1.4m is a heck of alot of cash to fork out for someone who can’t make something happen when others are down. Hughes was great and Munster injected himself when needed despite the Storm missing 3 starting internationals from last year, Papz & Olam injured and at times had to play Wishart on the wing. The Storm system was on show last night.

If I was Mitch would be signing those big deals asap as Parra as a whole looked ordinary last night.

 

[yeti]

Elite players in Moses' position demand the ball when the game is on the line. He doesn't! He lets the game come to him and that is the basic difference between a half worth over 1 million and one worth $750K - $900K.
Moses falls into the second category. A good player, not a great one.

 

[jadtiger]

I agree he didn’t step up when the game was on the line.

Have seen a few comments like Munster & Grant, Munster & Hughes etc. Brown and Hodgson were bog average both looked well off pace. The parra edge forwards got owned & Melbourne actually were able to make meters alot easier & slowed the parra play the balls down alot. NRL stats show on average each PTB was almost 1 sec slower than the Storm. Parra also had some brain snaps Sivo kick on the 2nd etc.

It was game 1 but $1.4m is a heck of alot of cash to fork out for someone who can’t make something happen when others are down. Hughes was great and Munster injected himself when needed despite the Storm missing 3 starting internationals from last year, Papz & Olam injured and at times had to play Wishart on the wing. The Storm system was on show last night.

If I was Mitch would be signing those big deals asap as Parra as a whole looked ordinary last night.

As long as he signs for Pawwa i will be pleased.I know i am in the minority but i don't want him back here under any circumstances

 

[twentyforty]

It's games like these against Melbourne that really highlight Moses' deficiencies. Tightly contested, not much space, against strong edge defense and he looks very average and limited.

Not doing anything wrong but just a bit passive and pedestrian.

He's a decent half but you rarely see him change the momentum of a game in the same way the proper superstars can; rather he looks good when team going good.

Agree, but at the same time you can see he’s developed his kicking game, stand deep to receive etc.
I wouldn’t be paying any more than $950k for him though. Brooks would provide better value at around $800k, which is probably close to what he’s been on last 4 years. And Doueihi has potential to improve his kicking game to Moses level at least.

 

[Halbrowne61]

Agree! Compare that to how Munster & Grant impacted the result. It was there for everyone to see last night. In saying that signing Moses would make us stronger & I believe get us into the 8. But he ain’t at that true superstar level.

Grant is an A1 footballer, even when he was with us you could see it.

 

[yeti]

Elite players in Moses' position demand the ball when the game is on the line. He doesn't! He lets the game come to him and that is the basic difference between a half worth over 1 million and one worth $750K - $900K.
Moses falls into the second category. A good player, not a great one.

I might be a bit skinny on his price, but $1.2 - 1.5 is WWAAYYY overs.

 

[twentyforty]

Yep it’s like Brooks, not a terrible player but his price tag doesn’t match his ability or output. If Moses comes to us for 5 seasons on 1.4 mil he will cop it week in and week out if he is anything short of a super star. The bigger the contract the bigger the expectation, and rightly so.

Personally I think we can get a lot better value and similar output by looking elsewhere

Elsewhere where? We’ve approached 2 of the top 4 halves in the comp?

 

[twentyforty]

Grant is an A1 footballer, even when he was with us you could see it.

He made the rest of our team look like reserve grade benches.

 

[Halbrowne61]

Elsewhere where? We’ve approached 2 of the top 4 halves in the comp?

Maybe we just keep our money in the bank and the coaching team work on extracting the best from Brooks/ Wakeham and we take it from there. No too many other options.

 

[earl]

Elsewhere where? We’ve approached 2 of the top 4 halves in the comp?

There aren't many available options are there. My concern with Moses is that pay packet is what a marquee player deserves. A marquee player though performs consistently to a high level and he doesn't do that.

There aren't other options but should we save that money for an actual marquee player.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Let us not pretend that Moses isn't still amongst the best halves in the game, despite not stepping up when a game was there to be won. He did have a go, just failed to ice it.

Still whilst such is in our thoughts, let us also remember the first two games of last season that WT had an opportunity to seal a win in the dying moments, against Moses' Parramatta and Souths I think.

The forum's most maligned player stood up to be easily the most instrumental in winning both of them.

 

[jadtiger]

Let us not pretend that Moses isn't still amongst the best halves in the game, despite not stepping up when a game was there to be won. He did have a go, just failed to ice it.

Still whilst such is in our thoughts, let us also remember the first two games of last season that WT had an opportunity to seal a win in the dying moments, against Moses' Parramatta and Souths I think.

The forum's most maligned player stood up to be easily the most instrumental in winning both of them.

Hastings was the most influential player who won the games and Shonky moved him on during the off season

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Moses didn't have a great game last night. Big deal, it happens. Moses will make us a much better team if he is part of it. The petty grievances about what he did or didn't do in the past are just that. Ask any of our squad if they would like Moses in our team and I'm confident most (if not all) would say yes.

 

[twentyforty]

Let us not pretend that Moses isn't still amongst the best halves in the game, despite not stepping up when a game was there to be won. He did have a go, just failed to ice it.

Still whilst such is in our thoughts, let us also remember the first two games of last season that WT had an opportunity to seal a win in the dying moments, against Moses' Parramatta and Souths I think.

The forum's most maligned player stood up to be easily the most instrumental in winning both of them.

I realise I’ll get bashed for saying this, but I really believe that if Brooks is working behind a strong pack and given license to fail he is in the top 4 halves.

 

[The Fresh Oil]

I realise I’ll get bashed for saying this, but I really believe that if Brooks is working behind a strong pack and given license to fail he is in the top 4 halves.

Morning beers seem like a good idea at the time but trust me, it's not a path you want to go down.