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Well considered post.
I suppose for me it still beggars belief that Brooks was considered for a leading role at all. From my perspective he has never had leadership in his skill set. Surely the new coaching team could see that. Why persist with a mirage just to indulge his ego? Why not simply state that Wakeham is now our half and you (Brooks) can have a go at six, from day 1?
I'll bet they wish they did from the outset. You have to assume that they simply expected Brooks to be better. Now I think it is about trying to do the best with what they are stuck with.
 
I'll give credit to whoever recruited the forwards - it's a positive in a club that has very few - and they had to start somewhere.
It's proving a misguided belief that that would bring about change in the 3 key positions in the backline - something most suspected in at least the 7 jersey . Douhei - wtf, why is he getting worse? Laurie for mine has been upgraded - Sheens needs to play Staines there
 
…and despite all of these opinions and assessments, we still started the season with
7. Brooks,
6. Doueihi
When exactly did Sheens and co discover Luke is a 5/8 and Adam is a fullback?
Sheens has wanted to try Adam at fullback since the pre season. But he wanted to give him every chance at 6 given Adam was keen to play 6. He thought Adam thrived at fullback in the World Cup and being away from the regular contact in defence it will help to avoid reaggravation of his knee.
 
100% correct that Sheens and Co. made a dud call on Brooks and AD. Maybe Benji's input on Brooks from when they were in the same team or simply not wanting to unbalance the cap during the rebuild. Who knows? AD was probably selected at 5/8 by 50% of the forum as well so at least half of us were just as bad at identifying talent as they were.

While I am not a fan of Brooks or AD if they are in the run on team, as a coaching staff, they must be supported. How would it go down if Sheenius came out and said AD is not the best fullback in the team, but he is a good bloke and the rest of the team thinks he should get a run or that Brooks is shite but he is the best we've got. We were hoping for more, but he has shown he's not a halfback's arse so we're playing him at 5/8 and letting him wear the 7 for his mental health?

AD at 5/8 was clubs player of the year before his injury, Brooks was Dally M halfback of the year (once upon a time) and is on a squillion $. I expect that they took, based on some form of risk analysis, a clear decision to invest in a dominant forward back to enable Brooks and AD. They got it wrong. Brooks and AD are duds.

We have made plays at Munster, Moses and now Pearce. The club clearly knows what we need so it isn't a complete circus. The leaks and rumours, until Pearce, had all but dried up. I doubt that the Pearce thing is of our own making - of what benefit would anyone at WT get from leaking that? I expect the leak came form Pearce's end; either his manager or Catalans. Shit, if they aren't out there making enquiries I would be pissed off.

So is it a circus?

Did they make a shit decision on Hastings and Brooks, for 2023, it sure looks it but is this really about 2023.

I'm just going to throw this out there. Is it at all possible that Sheens is the front man to take the heat for the hard decisions that have to be made to get to 2025? Did they keep Brooks simply to keep the cap healthy so we could build a pack and then make plays at the top halves and fullbacks?

Alternatively; is the Brooks decision based on the belief that Sheens and Benji could unlock some brilliance after ten years of mediocrity? Did they really believe that AD would turn into the next Jack Wighton or Latrell Mitchell? Given we were all in on Moses and AD only got a 12 month extension. Throw in Daine Laurie and I think they are were placeholders. Placeholders that I suspect were a known risk in 2023, but placeholders I don't think anyone expected to play so bad, at the same time, consistently.

Circus? No. Clown show? You better believe it.

I was not in on AD or Brooks, but I did think we would see a much better showing than we have from both of them (and Daino for that matter). AD has been appalling and is a shadow of what we saw in 2021. Brooks is just more of the same behind a dominant pack. Who would have guessed?

We've just got to trust, for 2023, that Wakeham develops with time in the seat, Brooks' timing and decisions improve and AD learns to do something useful. If that does happen, maybe, just maybe, we can finish above the Dragons.

Very interesting perspective and i agree with some of it.It is very difficult for me to trust in Sheens because his track record is poor despite 2005 and the way he was sacked here is the way he has left every club in the last 2 decades.
 
Wake up Tigers ,a decade on Brooks and he does have speed and some football ability but
He is not a half back ! Maybe a center and if anyone carefully watches the last game it seems others in the backline failed also Staines, Naden and Kepoa included . In general our backline sucks and that's playing behind a quality pack . Maybe Naden was injured and Tupou and Wakeham a bare pass mark but the rest meh !!
 
Going into 2023 the Tigers had Brooks and Doueihi off contract and made a decision to pursue Mitchell Moses. Ultimately that failed.

The club needed to put a deadline on the Moses decision to prevent 2023 being sideswiped by contract discussions about both our playmakers.

They recently extended Doueihi for a year and are now left trying to manufacture a fullback, and offload another failed project in Laurie.

Our HB is in career worst form and we are publicly looking at other options.

We now find ourselves in a very predictable position with another season on life support.

The Tigers clown show rolls on. Thanks to our masterful leaders 🤡💩
All hail the leaders
 
Very interesting perspective and i agree with some of it.It is very difficult for me to trust in Sheens because his track record is poor despite 2005 and the way he was sacked here is the way he has left every club in the last 2 decades.
I agree with Sheens track record and I am certainly dirty on him for 2022. Just trying to get my head around the likely 2023 scenario.

They aren't stupid. So why have they made the decisions they have?
 
Well considered post.
I suppose for me it still beggars belief that Brooks was considered for a leading role at all. From my perspective he has never had leadership in his skill set. Surely the new coaching team could see that. Why persist with a mirage just to indulge his ego? Why not simply state that Wakeham is now our half and you (Brooks) can have a go at six, from day 1?
Maybe we owe his manager?
I’m with Jolls on this issue, the club could not do anything with Brooks contract. Cleary started the talks then stalled due to conflict. Madge came in November and was looking at a DallyM half who wanted to do a favour for the club he loves and accept a backended contract. This locked in Brooks. Our CEO signed it off.
I’m still hopeful Brooks can do enough to resurrect his career, take a haircut to make all the hysterical fans calm down a little.
 
I agree with Sheens track record and I am certainly dirty on him for 2022. Just trying to get my head around the likely 2023 scenario.

They aren't stupid. So why have they made the decisions they have?
They are struggling to attract any backline players with talent who are rated in the NRL.
It appears they have tried to leverage our re-built forward pack to attract marquee halves and centres and that has failed.
Unfortunately we moved on our halves depth to accomodate these signings.
It is a failure in procurement.
 
They are struggling to attract any backline players with talent who are rated in the NRL.
It appears they have tried to leverage our re-built forward pack to attract marquee halves and centres and that has failed.
Unfortunately we moved on our halves depth to accomodate these signings.
It is a failure in procurement.
It’s a failure all round. Regardless of the quality of players they should be playing better as a team.
While there’s been some improvement, I’ve seen some Qld cup and KOE teams with better cohesion. Coaches need to stick with a team. I applaud Sheens for sticking with the same spine this week. A step in the right direction.
 
Wife texted me to say the team bus is having breakfast at the Wharf Street Cafe in Nambucca Heads.
I live 2 minutes away - first time I've ever declined the chance to see them. I know I'd only say something to some I may very well regret.
 
Wife texted me to say the team bus is having breakfast at the Wharf Street Cafe in Nambucca Heads.
I live 2 minutes away - first time I've ever declined the chance to see them. I know I'd only say something to some I may very well regret.
Geez not even flying? A nice 12 hour bus ride day before the game. Wow!
 
Wake up Tigers ,a decade on Brooks and he does have speed and some football ability but
He is not a half back ! Maybe a center and if anyone carefully watches the last game it seems others in the backline failed also Staines, Naden and Kepoa included . In general our backline sucks and that's playing behind a quality pack . Maybe Naden was injured and Tupou and Wakeham a bare pass mark but the rest meh !!
I actually think his speed counts against him alot. He does everything at top speed. There is no change or slow all playing like Thurston used to do. He could mix up his running speed and hand speed. Brooks goes full pace in attack alot which results in bad passing,kicking and predictable.
 
Maybe we owe his manager?
I’m with Jolls on this issue, the club could not do anything with Brooks contract. Cleary started the talks then stalled due to conflict. Madge came in November and was looking at a DallyM half who wanted to do a favour for the club he loves and accept a backended contract. This locked in Brooks. Our CEO signed it off.
I’m still hopeful Brooks can do enough to resurrect his career, take a haircut to make all the hysterical fans calm down a little.
That's all fair enough. My post was less about Brooks per se and more about why the current coaching staff, knowing his limitations, chose to start the season with him as the half, thus leading to the ongoing switcheroo situation that makes them look like amateurs.
This does not fill me with confidence in their ability going forward.
 
That's all fair enough. My post was less about Brooks per se and more about why the current coaching staff, knowing his limitations, chose to start the season with him as the half, thus leading to the ongoing switcheroo situation that makes them look like amateurs.
This does not fill me with confidence in their ability going forward.
I don't think they thought his limitations would be so bad behind the pack they built. They probably thought that he and AD would sufficient to get us through 23 behind Api and the rest of the forwards. You can extend that to Daino and most of the backs as well.

They're now living with the consequences of their decisions. It's not like other clubs wouldn't have taken Brooks so it is not like we were on our Pat Malone in thinking he could make the grade.

Breathe in, breathe out and trust that the situation improves.

If it doesn't we are locked in for a battle for the spoon with Saints; I think they are in a worse position stability and team harmony wise.
 

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