Will Brooks be named in the 7 today?

[Eternal Tiger]

I cheer for Brooks every week. I want him to get Man of the Match every week, because it means we've won.
He hasn't resembled an NRL player for 3-4 Seasons, its not his fault, its the low standards and zero accountability at WT, that is to blame.
As Sheens said yesterday
"He needs more time"
And we witness a 12th season in a row of not finishing in the top half of the Comp.

 

[weststigerman]

This is a dumb comment and you need not be so divisive.

There is not really such a thing as a "Luke Brooks supporter", i.e. someone who supports Brooks no matter what (apart from his family and friends). The opinions on him are a spectrum and people's opinions of him change based on how he is currently perceived to be playing.

I could not identify one person on this forum that would support Luke Brooks no matter what, under any conditions. I do not know who that person is. I do not know anyone who would quit supporting Tigers if Brooks was moved on or dumped.

So of course nobody is currently talking positive things about Brooks, because his form is really quite bad, and it leaves little room for debate. That's all there is to it. There is no purpose to gloat or call out some unidentified 5%.

Re Sheens, he will be coach until end of 2024 unless Benji takes over early. Those are the only two outcomes that are possible with the current arrangement.

I'm not going to go down to your level and decide for the forum what is a "dumb" comment so I'll address your point.

Read some of the posts on Brooks and you'll understand what I mean. I take no pleasure in watching him fail every week.

We all wanted him to be an elite player, but as I said, most on here know that didn't happen and are happy to see the back of him. However, there is a small percentage that believe he is still an elite player let down by his coaches and teammates. You only have to read their posts a few weeks ago.

Have you seen the contract Sheens and Benji signed? How do you know there is no get out clause here? Pascoe is a horrible football CEO but even he and our Chairman wouldn't be silly enough to not put some clauses in there given Benji has never coached before and Sheens hasn't coached NRL for 10 years.

 

[jirskyr]

I'm not going to go down to your level and decide for the forum what is a "dumb" comment so I'll address your point.

Read some of the posts on Brooks and you'll understand what I mean. I take no pleasure in watching him fail every week.

We all wanted him to be an elite player, but as I said, most on here know that didn't happen and are happy to see the back of him. However, there is a small percentage that believe he is still an elite player let down by his coaches and teammates. You only have to read their posts a few weeks ago.

Have you seen the contract Sheens and Benji signed? How do you know there is no get out clause here? Pascoe is a horrible football CEO but even he and our Chairman wouldn't be silly enough to not put some clauses in there given Benji has never coached before and Sheens hasn't coached NRL for 10 years.

What do you mean down to my level? You are the one calling out an anonymous subset of the membership list.

On Sheens, they are not going to sack him and hire an interim coach, and then put Benji in as head coach in 2025. And they aren't going to kybosh Benji's deal before he even starts. Nobody is going to sign up to be interim coach of the worst team in the comp, just to keep Benji's seat warm.

You may even have had an argument before 2022 wound up, but anyone who saw how badly Brett Kimmorley fared will not want to get involved in such a poisoned chalice.

At best they might convince someone like David Furner, who is already in the fold, to be an interim head coach, but I seriously doubt it.

No, Sheens is going to coach for 2 years unless he himself decides to quit; the club 100% will not sack him for bad results. This will allow Sheens to take all the fallout for the team's rebuild, and he doesn't care because he's not looking to continue his career as a head coach. And if Sheens goes early due to bad results, they will just bring Benji forward.

 

[jirskyr]

There is at least one on here, and they've been awfully quiet of late.

So what? What is the point of harassing people who stick up for players or clubs? So petty, like you cannot defend anyone at the club or you get pestered by people who just don't like that person.

"Ooh ooh remember when you said Laloa Milford is a decent winger, but actually he is shit? I can't believe you said that, you Laloa-lover. Ooh that's what I am going to call you from now on, the Lalolover, because you love him so much, but he's really quite shit and everyone knows it. Listen to how quiet all the Lalolovers have become!"

I say: good luck to anyone who stuck up for Brooks in the past, for any reason at all. We are all worse off if Brooks is not repaying any of that faith in 2023, and there's no fun or celebration or superiority in it at all.

 

[Telltails]

There is at least one on here, and they've been awfully quiet of late.

Yes very different to the level of blind faith they'll show you contribution before the season started. Can't be enjoying it any less than the rest of us.

 

[weststigerman]

What do you mean down to my level? You are the one calling out an anonymous subset of the membership list.

On Sheens, they are not going to sack him and hire an interim coach, and then put Benji in as head coach in 2025. And they aren't going to kybosh Benji's deal before he even starts. Nobody is going to sign up to be interim coach of the worst team in the comp, just to keep Benji's seat warm.

You may even have had an argument before 2022 wound up, but anyone who saw how badly Brett Kimmorley fared will not want to get involved in such a poisoned chalice.

At best they might convince someone like David Furner, who is already in the fold, to be an interim head coach, but I seriously doubt it.

No, Sheens is going to coach for 2 years unless he himself decides to quit; the club 100% will not sack him for bad results. This will allow Sheens to take all the fallout for the team's rebuild, and he doesn't care because he's not looking to continue his career as a head coach. And if Sheens goes early due to bad results, they will just bring Benji forward.

You wouldn’t think the club would re-sign Madge only to sack him 18 months later, but they did.

There is no guarantee Sheens will stay for the 2 years. What if we are 0-14? They might have laid out a long term plan but it’s ridiculous to stick to it if it’s not working.

 

[TCL]

You wouldn’t think the club would re-sign Madge only to sack him 18 months later, but they did.

There is no guarantee Sheens will stay for the 2 years. What if we are 0-14? They might have laid out a long term plan but it’s ridiculous to stick to it if it’s not working.

Personally think the coaching structure wont Be touched this year unless one of them decides to leave. They are only 4 weeks into their roles. You could argue that Sheens was here last year and BK was his muppet post Madge, but the fact remains that this year his title is coach last year was something else.
Sacking any of them would highlight the boards ineptitude and not even our board is that dumb. Or at least I hope not.
Brooks on the other hand will be gone by the end of the season or sooner if he doesn’t perform. At this rate my money is on pre-origin.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

So what? What is the point of harassing people who stick up for players or clubs? So petty, like you cannot defend anyone at the club or you get pestered by people who just don't like that person.

"Ooh ooh remember when you said Laloa Milford is a decent winger, but actually he is shit? I can't believe you said that, you Laloa-lover. Ooh that's what I am going to call you from now on, the Lalolover, because you love him so much, but he's really quite shit and everyone knows it. Listen to how quiet all the Lalolovers have become!"

I say: good luck to anyone who stuck up for Brooks in the past, for any reason at all. We are all worse off if Brooks is not repaying any of that faith in 2023, and there's no fun or celebration or superiority in it at all.

Well you said there wasn't, I'm saying there is.

Outside of that, 11/10 rant.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Everyone on here wants Brooks to succeed. It's just that after 10 years, various coaches, admins and 100 odd players he's hasn't done it yet, and safe to say he probably never will. Doueihi has been given a fraction of that time and many are fed up with him. It's time to move on.

Prime example of the sunk cost fallacy. Time to cut loose and try something different.

 

[Odessa]

So what? What is the point of harassing people who stick up for players or clubs? So petty, like you cannot defend anyone at the club or you get pestered by people who just don't like that person.

"Ooh ooh remember when you said Laloa Milford is a decent winger, but actually he is shit? I can't believe you said that, you Laloa-lover. Ooh that's what I am going to call you from now on, the Lalolover, because you love him so much, but he's really quite shit and everyone knows it. Listen to how quiet all the Lalolovers have become!"

I say: good luck to anyone who stuck up for Brooks in the past, for any reason at all. We are all worse off if Brooks is not repaying any of that faith in 2023, and there's no fun or celebration or superiority in it at all.

I could not believe my eyes and had to get my glasses my eyes are getting so bad I swore it said LabiaLovers not Lalolovers

 

[jirskyr]

You wouldn’t think the club would re-sign Madge only to sack him 18 months later, but they did.

There is no guarantee Sheens will stay for the 2 years. What if we are 0-14? They might have laid out a long term plan but it’s ridiculous to stick to it if it’s not working.

Madge is totally different, he wasn't holding the position temporarily. I am going to guess Tigers had performance clauses inserted when they re-signed Madge the last time, to make a termination more straightforward.

Benji is literally signed up as coach from 2025 onwards. So imagine if they sack Tim Sheens tomorrow, which coach is going to come in and do the job for 1.5 seasons? They aren't going to sack Sheens after 4 rounds, there is going to have been some sort of deal where Sheens does the tough rebuild, cops the flak, then Benji hopefully steps into a better environment.

So if we all agree that Benji isn't experienced enough right now to become the coach, and you are hardly going to find anyone to temporarily take on the head coach role of the worst team in the comp, then it stands very strongly to reason that Sheens will stick around until Benji is ready.

It might well be that Sheens does not see out the full 2 years, but that would lead to Benji coming in early.

 

[jirskyr]

I could not believe my eyes and had to get my glasses my eyes are getting so bad I swore it said LabiaLovers not Lalolovers

Well I got nuthin against labialovers either

 

[tig_prmz]

Madge is totally different, he wasn't holding the position temporarily. I am going to guess Tigers had performance clauses inserted when they re-signed Madge the last time, to make a termination more straightforward.

Benji is literally signed up as coach from 2025 onwards. So imagine if they sack Tim Sheens tomorrow, which coach is going to come in and do the job for 1.5 seasons? They aren't going to sack Sheens after 4 rounds, there is going to have been some sort of deal where Sheens does the tough rebuild, cops the flak, then Benji hopefully steps into a better environment.

So if we all agree that Benji isn't experienced enough right now to become the coach, and you are hardly going to find anyone to temporarily take on the head coach role of the worst team in the comp, then it stands very strongly to reason that Sheens will stick around until Benji is ready.

It might well be that Sheens does not see out the full 2 years, but that would lead to Benji coming in early.

I think the point is more so that we pick backing the wrong horse and doubling down on it. Sheens a football director was a decision we could live with but then sacking Madge 18 months in, keeping Brooks in the team, appointing Sheens as coach etc were all wrong decisions.

The point isn't what to do next, it's the inability of the club to understand what they have done is wrong. Even if the odds were 100:1 of us making the Top 8 in the next 3 years I wouldn't put $100 on it. No one would.

This club has just made one stupid decision after another. Decisions due to desperation and ineptness. Some supporters support the club no matter what and they will try to reason each decision- they have every right to but it all just feels in vain because we know this Club isn't going to succeed for a while.... Some accept it, some don't. Even if we do succeed with this coaching experiment, it would be off the back of a wrong decision made over coffee out of desperation rather than a well thought out one.

 

[Bob]

Everyone on here wants Brooks to succeed. It's just that after 10 years, various coaches, admins and 100 odd players he's hasn't done it yet, and safe to say he probably never will. Doueihi has been given a fraction of that time and many are fed up with him. It's time to move on.

Prime example of the sunk cost fallacy. Time to cut loose and try something different.

I think that’s one of the issues between people who are labeled “pro brooks” and others who just want him gone.

It’s very easy to say “punt him” and just live in fairly land.

he has a contract, expiring at the end of the year. How do you negotiate him to go somewhere else without it affecting your cap, resign someone else with that loss of cap space, entice that person to come to a wooden spoon team, have that person either not contracted or be able to get out of that contract be able to negotiate that contract quick enough with a player manager and keep the squad within a cap whilst also approved by the NRL and cap auditor to sign off on that contract.

All with everything you hear being speculation around contract details.

I’ll happily listen to people who have realistic options. Even better utilising people we have within our squad. But those who offer no alternative or that just play fantasy football I find very boring very quickly.

Personally I’d be keeping him in the squad to the end of the year and just wouldn’t offer an extension.

Wakeham in the 7, hope that someone puts some kind of hand up to take brooks spot. AD, Laurie aren’t exactly putting their hand up. I’d be more inclined to rotate Simpkin through the 6 from the bench.

“I think most can see regardless of the shirt number Wakeham is playing a 7 brooks a 6 primarily splitting the field left and right.”

 

[weststigerman]

Madge is totally different, he wasn't holding the position temporarily. I am going to guess Tigers had performance clauses inserted when they re-signed Madge the last time, to make a termination more straightforward.

Benji is literally signed up as coach from 2025 onwards. So imagine if they sack Tim Sheens tomorrow, which coach is going to come in and do the job for 1.5 seasons? They aren't going to sack Sheens after 4 rounds, there is going to have been some sort of deal where Sheens does the tough rebuild, cops the flak, then Benji hopefully steps into a better environment.

So if we all agree that Benji isn't experienced enough right now to become the coach, and you are hardly going to find anyone to temporarily take on the head coach role of the worst team in the comp, then it stands very strongly to reason that Sheens will stick around until Benji is ready.

It might well be that Sheens does not see out the full 2 years, but that would lead to Benji coming in early.

If Pascoe and/or Lee are gone sometime this year, there is a fairly good chance new management would have a different view on this plan.

After just firing a coach mid contract, there would have to be a get out clause.

Pascoe and Lee seem to avoid any accountability so maybe it’s unlikely, but so far this 5 year plan is going horribly wrong.

 

[twentyforty]

I think that’s one of the issues between people who are labeled “pro brooks” and others who just want him gone.

It’s very easy to say “punt him” and just live in fairly land.

he has a contract, expiring at the end of the year. How do you negotiate him to go somewhere else without it affecting your cap, resign someone else with that loss of cap space, entice that person to come to a wooden spoon team, have that person either not contracted or be able to get out of that contract be able to negotiate that contract quick enough with a player manager and keep the squad within a cap whilst also approved by the NRL and cap auditor to sign off on that contract.

All with everything you hear being speculation around contract details.

I’ll happily listen to people who have realistic options. Even better utilising people we have within our squad. But those who offer no alternative or that just play fantasy football I find very boring very quickly.

Personally I’d be keeping him in the squad to the end of the year and just wouldn’t offer an extension.

Wakeham in the 7, hope that someone puts some kind of hand up to take brooks spot. AD, Laurie aren’t exactly putting their hand up. I’d be more inclined to rotate Simpkin through the 6 from the bench.

“I think most can see regardless of the shirt number Wakeham is playing a 7 brooks a 6 primarily splitting the field left and right.”

If what Hoops said is true..the club has a verbal agreement in favour of Brooks having a contract extension for 24. Then breaking that agreement wouldn’t sit too well, and do nothing to propel the club to the top of the ladder?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I think that’s one of the issues between people who are labeled “pro brooks” and others who just want him gone.

It’s very easy to say “punt him” and just live in fairly land.

he has a contract, expiring at the end of the year. How do you negotiate him to go somewhere else without it affecting your cap, resign someone else with that loss of cap space, entice that person to come to a wooden spoon team, have that person either not contracted or be able to get out of that contract be able to negotiate that contract quick enough with a player manager and keep the squad within a cap whilst also approved by the NRL and cap auditor to sign off on that contract.

All with everything you hear being speculation around contract details.

I’ll happily listen to people who have realistic options. Even better utilising people we have within our squad. But those who offer no alternative or that just play fantasy football I find very boring very quickly.

Personally I’d be keeping him in the squad to the end of the year and just wouldn’t offer an extension.

Wakeham in the 7, hope that someone puts some kind of hand up to take brooks spot. AD, Laurie aren’t exactly putting their hand up. I’d be more inclined to rotate Simpkin through the 6 from the bench.

“I think most can see regardless of the shirt number Wakeham is playing a 7 brooks a 6 primarily splitting the field left and right.”

You could as easily drop him, he may have benefit from that in the past by being allowed to work on his game in the lower grade and get his confidence back. He's completely shot now.

That ship has sailed though, the pigheadedness of the club to not hold him to account is a large part of the frustrations. Deserved or not, Nofoaluma has been dropped at least twice now by two coaches for not performing and he has friends in high places. Brooks has clearly struggled for a long while now, why has he not been dropped? You can't say that he on his worst day is better than anything else we have, Wakeham has looked better than him this year. Is it simply that they don't want to drop a player they are paying seven figures to?

The club are moreso to blame with the handling of Brooks. They've refused to address his shortcomings, they've continued to re-sign him and they've continued to persist with him. Doueihi is the other big question mark in this squad. He's paid well, he is grossly inconsistent to the point where we're accommodating him in other positions where I believe there's better options and he isn't being held to account either.

 

[jadtiger]

You could as easily drop him, he may have benefit from that in the past by being allowed to work on his game in the lower grade and get his confidence back. He's completely shot now.

That ship has sailed though, the pigheadedness of the club to not hold him to account is a large part of the frustrations. Deserved or not, Nofoaluma has been dropped at least twice now by two coaches for not performing and he has friends in high places. Brooks has clearly struggled for a long while now, why has he not been dropped? You can't say that he on his worst day is better than anything else we have, Wakeham has looked better than him this year. Is it simply that they don't want to drop a player they are paying seven figures to?

The club are moreso to blame with the handling of Brooks. They've refused to address his shortcomings, they've continued to re-sign him and they've continued to persist with him. Doueihi is the other big question mark in this squad. He's paid well, he is grossly inconsistent to the point where we're accommodating him in other positions where I believe there's better options and he isn't being held to account either.

The club has always had major issues of players being looked after by their mates in the heirarchy just as they (heirarchy) look after each other.It has always held our club back and every time a coach tries to change it and makes players accountable he gets the bullet.What makes it worse is the fact that Sheens has always protected his favourite players and it looks like that will continue,if you get on the wrong side of Sheens you are screwed

 

[BrissieTiger67]

If what Hoops said is true..the club has a verbal agreement in favour of Brooks having a contract extension for 24. Then breaking that agreement wouldn’t sit too well, and do nothing to propel the club to the top of the ladder?

Yeah hopefully thats not the case but if it is, take that verbal and go, sorry buddy were walking away. The weird thing is, no doubt if Moses signs , brooks signs on and stays.

 

[earl]

If what Hoops said is true..the club has a verbal agreement in favour of Brooks having a contract extension for 24. Then breaking that agreement wouldn’t sit too well, and do nothing to propel the club to the top of the ladder?

Just say that this is true. If we resign Brooks on 150k for 1 year to me there isn't any issue.