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We should approach the Sharks to loan Trindall for the rest of the year .. put a clause in the contract where they can have him back if Hynes / Moylan cops a long term injury
 
1nOnlyJoey said:
Let's forget about meaney anyway , seriously storm got him which obviously is what was needed to help him achieve. I think for the next 5yrs we need to recruit a new no. 9, 6 & 7 preferably men in their early twenties, how does the NSW CUP, SG BALL sides look? Any stars on the rise?
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Why do we need a 9, we have Api and DeSilva his successor signed up, plus Simpkin
 
Lukic said:
It's not a "Wests Tigers" problem that players come here and look worse and then our players leave and look better elsewhere.

It's a coaching problem.

Meaney always had bits about him that looked good at the Bulldogs. Plenty of speed and not a bad ballplayer from fullback. He wasn't consistent sure, but also clearly first grade quality. Another problem was his lack of size - he was simply too skinny to be effective, unless he made clean breaks he wouldn't bust a tackle. He's clearly been told to bulk up and is now being used in a way which utilises his speed and support play ability. Bellamy has changed what he wants out of his 1 with Meaney in there compared to Papenhuyzen who has a heavier ball playing load and is given more early ball with space.

That's what separates guys like Bennett and Bellamy. They identify the strengths and weaknesses in players and put them in situations where their strengths are magnified and weaknesses masked. They identify players who fit their system and where they get talented players who don't fit their system, do their best to accommodate them.

Cleary is a great coach too as much as it pains me to say it. Guys like Liam Martin and Dylan Edwards are average players. Nothing special physically and limited skillsets. But they are relentless, have great motors and a great work ethic. Cleary has identified that and given them roles in the team that mask their deficiencies and maximise their skills. Dylan Edwards can't break the line or pass very well, so trying to make him play like he's Trbojevic or Latrell would be stupid. What can he do well? Take a million hit-ups and get a quick play the ball whether it's the 1st minute or 79th minute. Why does Penrith dominate field position? Edwards makes 10m on 4th tackle, gets a quick play the ball and lets Nathan hoof it down field. Then guys like Liam Martin who offer effort in buckets lead the defensive line and compress opponents.

Look at the team he got to 9th in 2018. My god that was a miserable team. He's the one coach who managed to make Brooks look like a first grader (albeit a below average one, but nonetheless he looked like he belonged). Guys like Marsters, Naiqama, Fonua, Thompson, Rochow, Eisenhuth, Malakai Watene-Zelezniak, Godinet, McIlwrick. Some of those lineups read like NSW cup teams and yet he managed to extract every last bit of ability from these average players to have us finish 9th.

On the flip side, you have Sheens. Sheens will always try and meddle with players and force them to do what he wants.

Our halfback position is a great example: Morris at 7, Benji at 7, Farah at 7, Lui at 7, Brooks at 7. Two hookers and 3 5/8ths he's forced to play 7. Tim Moltzen, who we actually looked great with in that 2009-2011 period with at 7, is then forced to play 1. Hastings who is the best genuine 7 we've had since Scott Prince is forced out because Sheens thinks he's a lock. Makes no sense.

Isaiah Papali'i wins second rower of the year playing on the right edge? Let's move him to the left edge. John Bateman wins second rower of the year on the right edge? Let's try and turn him into a ball-playing lock. There's countless examples throughout his tenure of him taking what's not broken and breaking it.

In a salary cap competition, the path to sustained success comes from identifying value where others aren't able to see it. A player can be worth more or less to a team than their contracted value based on how they're utilised. If you continue to pay overs for talented players and misuse them, you'll never get anywhere. If you build a team around a core group of stars and a successful system then supplement it with underrated and undervalued players, you build dynasties like the Storm, Roosters and now Penrith.
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Agree with you on most of what you have said in this article, but two things I beg to differ with you on.

One is When Ivan Cleary dumped us with the players he bought from Warriors, he left us with salary cap problems for a couple of years, and A terrible team, and nor did he do that well at the warriors, so he buried us, and joined his son at a club that was already set up for glory, his coaching has not done it the team of great players were already set up for him to just move in and get all the credit for creating the team, and 2 G/Finals.

And number 2 Item is Tim Sheens, I always thought Tim was a Great Coach but any coach that has a halfback in his team, that has caused his team to lose numerous games over a 10 year period,
And has contributed a big part to 5 straight losses this season, but Tim drops other players around brooksy but steadfastly refuses to drop him, and he continues to think brooks will come good.
Any other coach or club would drop him or get rid of him.
 
Tiger_Fanatic3 said:
Rugby league legend Scott Sattler has reportedly maligned Tigers halfback Luke Brooks needs to leave the NRL for a short Super League stint to reignite his career. Brooks is on the final year of his current contract and Sattler believes it would be best for the 2015 Dally M halfback of the year to travel abroad.
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No? Advice given is because no club in Aussie wants him, and dont say Newcastle, that was Ll a load of Crap, they were only willing to take him if we took klem, but we would have had to pay them half his salary, and has anyone heard of any English french or anyone that would be interested in Brooksy.
 
If Trindall for Laurie stuff is true i'd be pretty happy with that, i've always been impressed with him when he's played. He seems to be down the pecking order at the sharks would make sense for both parties.
If it does happen we still need a 5/8th Brooks or Doueihi or someone totally new, Brooks on a cut down deal with no organizing to do and just told to run is probably the way they would play it. We need a genuine half thats for sure no doubts about that.
 
diedpretty said:
I'm not defending Brooks - he is very ordinary at the moment - i just get sick of people continually whining about " letting go " of Hastings and how he would have made all the difference in the world.
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hasting was not going to make a big diffence but an adequate diference until we can replace him. we expected to move up a few spot but we knew we go backward one spot with brooks
 
Coastie_Tiger said:
If Trindall for Laurie stuff is true i'd be pretty happy with that, i've always been impressed with him when he's played. He seems to be down the pecking order at the sharks would make sense for both parties.
If it does happen we still need a 5/8th Brooks or Doueihi or someone totally new, Brooks on a cut down deal with no organizing to do and just told to run is probably the way they would play it. We need a genuine half thats for sure no doubts about that.
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5/8 I would sign would be Salmon from the Panthers, I think he is a real goer.
 
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