Tom Shines
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yes.. the Waratahs
Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion
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yes.. the Waratahs
They have a piece of crap in gus
Tom Shines
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Tom Shines
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Hello Mr Fulton, are you there, wakey wakey
balmain boy
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I just don't see how we could afford to have Fainu, Galvin, Sullivan, Sezer and Douiehi taking up 5/30 top 30 spots next season. That's one experienced pro and 3 young inexperienced 5/8s, and an injured deadweight.
If Galvin was on a development contract next year then Sullivan signing would make perfect sense, having someone with 30 odd first grade games to help cover Fainu as he adjusts. If we can somehow do a Dogs and get Adam off our books for 2024 that would be great, but i can't see us doing it. It would harm our reputation with players, we don't stand by you when injured. Only successful clubs can get away with that.
If Galvin was on a development contract next year then Sullivan signing would make perfect sense, having someone with 30 odd first grade games to help cover Fainu as he adjusts. If we can somehow do a Dogs and get Adam off our books for 2024 that would be great, but i can't see us doing it. It would harm our reputation with players, we don't stand by you when injured. Only successful clubs can get away with that.
Jayden Sullivan is a highly talented young player who can potentially knuckle down and become a very good NRL halve or could fall by the wayside and waste his talent.
He needs a coach he can connect with and a good attacking team to help him shine.
Like most young halves he needs a lot of hard work to get his kicking game in order and needs to work hard on his defence. His running game is already at a very good level.
The concern is his off the cuff style of play seems similar to what Latu Fainu brings to the table and as we all know, 2 off the cuff style halves does not work, they always need a dominant on the ball game managing halve alongside them.
The positive is they could push each other for our starting 5/8 position and both can be pretty decent number 14’s also.
He needs a coach he can connect with and a good attacking team to help him shine.
Like most young halves he needs a lot of hard work to get his kicking game in order and needs to work hard on his defence. His running game is already at a very good level.
The concern is his off the cuff style of play seems similar to what Latu Fainu brings to the table and as we all know, 2 off the cuff style halves does not work, they always need a dominant on the ball game managing halve alongside them.
The positive is they could push each other for our starting 5/8 position and both can be pretty decent number 14’s also.
Sullivan can play multiple positions
He's a good utility / #14
He's a good utility / #14
hank37w
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Probably because we are just not a great club.
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tony soprano
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Everyone's a piece of crap today according to the forum.
weststigers
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Not sure what sort of cash he is asking for, but I’m inclined to agree with you.
On the right money, 2 years, even if he plays the last 12 months in NSW Cup helps with depth.
We need 4-5 halves, 2 for first grade, 2 capable in Cup and 1 up and comer.
I think if we have
Sezer
Doueihi
Fainu
Sullivan
We have decent options. Given Doueihi is out for half the year, we’ll need a 5th option. Maybe that’s Wakeham.
Some good points you raise balmain boy.
Adam Doueihi will likely not be ready to play until about this time next season, so at best will only be available for our last 7-8 games.
With that in mind, surely there is some type of rule that will allow us to have a top 30 that does not include him, then be able to use him if required when he does become available.
In addition to this surely the writing is on the wall that we potentially offload Keparoa, Nofoaluma, Naden,Reilly, Simpkin and Ngatikaura from our current 2024 top 30 contracted players to allow us room to add some new blood.
Cutting Nofa loose without his consent would be a hard one as he’s been a great player for our club, but I maintain we need genuine speedsters such as Charlie Staines or maybe Xavier Savage on one wing and need a bigger more powerful winger such as Junior Tupou or maybe Edward Kosi on the other wing.
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no re signed Warriors/2 years.waratahs can stick it up their wahs zoo;s
We need Sezar - mature and experienced.
Perfect organisational 7.
Then the 6 can be Latu or Sully.
I'd back Latu with Sullivan at 14.
Only downside is pushes TDS to cup which isn't the worst as gives him time to develope instead of being thrown in the deep end or used for 10 mins/game.
That's the most ideal outcome, imo.
Perfect organisational 7.
Then the 6 can be Latu or Sully.
I'd back Latu with Sullivan at 14.
Only downside is pushes TDS to cup which isn't the worst as gives him time to develope instead of being thrown in the deep end or used for 10 mins/game.
That's the most ideal outcome, imo.
Brooks is back baby,watch it go of on the weekend
FrodoTBaggin
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I posted the following in response to someone on the Fainu brothers page late last night but I think this applies even more in light of Gus' response about Liam Knight joining Bulldogs last night. The dogs recruited him with 31 spaces left but didn't have to let anyone go. You know how? One of their players dropped out of the top 30 to a NSW cup contract for the rest of the year. If Doueihi accepted us front ending 550k this year and let us pay the rest of his 600k on a train and trial next year than the only difference would be that he isn't technically top 30. This does not mean the club does not stand by him(there is no way that anyone could possibly think that with the amount of injuries and opportunity he has had here), it means the club is being smart. He would know this.
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You know I wonder if the media talk of us moving on Doueihi next year is half right.
He is on 600k next year and if we just pay him out from this years cap we will have his spot free.
How much is a train and trial deal? if it's still around 50k a year then even front load 550k this year and have him drop out of top 30 to Will Smiths spot next year (Train and Trial can't play until round 10 anyway). He's got a lot of love for the club so dropping out of the top 30 for the year with no financial downside shouldn't really be a hard sell when he can't play majority of the season anyway.
If he comes back and kills it then you can start talking extensions, I doubt anyone will be desperate to sign him until they see how he goes when he comes back anyway.
I want to add we have to use 95% of the cap per NRL guidelines & there is only 13 days until top 30s are finalised for the year, if we fill our last spot with someone like Galvin, James or TDS then we will have to front load someone anyway.
That sounds like the way we are heading.
Could be ok from an attack point of view as both Sullivan and Fainu have good running games and as you say, Sezer could do the job as an experienced 7.
Couple of concerns with it, Sullivan has shown he can get rag dolled in defence due to his lack of size and Fainu untested defensively at NRL level.
Sezer is an ageing player, has been injury prone in recent times so we would need a very good back up number 7.
My strong suspicion is South’s are going to do the dirty on Lachlan Illias and demote him to play Wighton at 5/8, Walker to 7.
Would not be surprised if Benji & Co think or know the same and are ready to make a big play at Illias should that happen.
Not saying I agree he’s the answer either, but young NRL experienced halfbacks are very hard to find.
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Todd Packer
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Same forum that collectively didn't want Lattrell because he was fat, lazy , overpriced and of bad character.
earl
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I agree we need to sign those players including Wakeham and then we have a decent number of options. At the same time that would be the weakest pair of halves in the comp and we are desperate for Fainu or Galvin but ideally both of them to come good.
