Red88_Tiger
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I don’t like when tigers are used in an argument because it never makes anyone feel better
Can you stop please
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Referendum 2023
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Can you stop please
Winston Churchill
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Sounds like it's hard for you to do your own research, rather easier for you to regurgitate the misinformation you've been spoon fed by the ABC, but you do realise you have 100 pages here you can go back and read and see plenty of reasons. I can't hold your hand or teach you how to read and do your own research, that's on you kid.
crazycat
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OMG, do you realise how big a failure Peta Credlin is?
You have Australia's biggest KAREN right there! Seriously she makes the complaint line at Centerlink for late payments look polite. You do remember recent history don't you?
Tony Abbott gets thrown out of Parliament.
Liberal MP's get silenced and can't speak to the prime minister.
Ministers like Andrew Robb, Julie Bishop and Peter Dutton get thrown out of Tony's office and told where to go by this Unelected dictator!
Peta Credlin makes Jason Taylor look like a people person.
Liberal MP's everywhere said Credlin was Vicious, Serpentine, manipulative and a horrible person. (for WC and other Russian's on here. Liberal/LNP is the right wing in Australia.) Then you post a video of her saying someone else is manipulative? Heck her eyes seemed glued to the teleprompter, no idea what she is saying and no idea on Aboriginal people for sure.
Why are you sharing a post from Australia's biggest failure as a Prime minister's advisor? That silly Unelected twat tried to tred over democratically elected MP's, let her rot in the news.com failed commentators graveyard.
tony soprano
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Dirty tactics by the left no suprise
twentyforty
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It’s also a symptom of disingenuous victimisation of a race that has flourished since colonisation.
A very negative viewpoint from Albo. Surely he can get to the hearts of the yes people in a better way?
Those still reminiscing of the good old days when there were no universities or gaols, when average life expectancy was much lower, should take a moment to ask themselves if they are part of the problem?
The worst thing about colonisation was alcohol. It should have come after education, but it was a currency back in the day. We need to find a way to stop the self destructive habit of feeding alcohol to babies while still in the womb.
Some on here think the voice can do that? 36 activists identifying as Aboriginals and enshrined in the constitution will fix it? What is their record so far? How can they fix anything while they themselves claim to be victims?
Winston Churchill
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🤣 Second move from the left wing playbook after running away, somewhat dim tactic but a standard play when left with zero rebuttal. Attack the person over the message. The astute out there will see exactly what you just did. You're as transparent as an open window.
twentyforty
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Sounds like you do your best thinking during your yoga session.
twentyforty
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crazycat
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Hey Winston,
this sounds completely reasonable from A Dog. But I understand why you would find it unreasonable.
Quote A Dog "We are voting on whether we should write into the constitution that there should be a body named the Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander voice that is permitted to make comment on and recommendations to the Australian parliament on matters that relate to them.
That is worth putting in the constitution. Forget detail and minutae. Why would you not want this to be constitutional? Please summarise your reason in a way I can understand."
What you have done a lot is replied to reasonable viewpoints with Sledging to make them seem unreasonable. Their perfectly reasonable, you just sledge without evidence. Then you say go on the Internet to do "your own research" ... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Trashy youtube videos that ramble for ages spouting crap. All that does is seed confusion and have people replace good sources with trash.
I miss the Winston Churchill that fought Nazi's in WW2. The one that would have acted against the Nazi who attacked Lidia Thorpe.
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Winston Churchill
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3rd rule of the playbook, call people a racist or Nazi when having zero argument to defend your abhorrent views because you believe in segregation and bigotry of low expectations masked in your moral superiority and white knighting.
I miss the Winston Churchill that fought Nazi's in WW2. The one that would have acted against the Nazi who attacked Lidia Thorpe.
So you're not even pretending to not be a straight up piece of shit anymore? Love how those tolerant lefties always, always show their true character when pressed on their beliefs and are not able to control their bubbles and comfort zones from differing opinions. Just wish your mother was kinder to you.
This is masked as just an advisory panel.
First step constitutionally enshrined voice then TREATY and REWRITING history.
Just as Noel Pearson
This is the truth
Google megan davis treaty
There's an honest video there.
Ps I wonder if our embarrassment of a PM has read the full statement yet
twentyforty
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In a new book released last Wednesday by Harper Collins entitled “Our Voices from the Heart”, Uluru Dialogue co-chairs Professor Megan Davis and Patricia Anderson write that the statement is “15 pages long and includes three elements.”
I've also heard Megan Davis recently say The Uluru Statement is 18 pages long.
Albo initially stated he hadn't read all of the statement, but then went on to say it was only 1 page long.
This piqued my interest, not only because of the importance given to this document that he couldnt find time to read a single page, but because when Albo stated that if the YES vote gets up, he would get behind legislating The Uluru Statement in its entirety.
I took this to mean that Australians are voting on the Uluru Statement.
I do have a copy of the full Uluru Statement which I've started to read and so far, I can understand why they have been dishonest with the Australian people. It's quite militant.
Tucker
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Happens EVERY. SINGLE. TIME 🤣🤣🤣
Tucker
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Yes it is.
Nothing to see here though…it’s all conspiracy nonsense…this referendum isn’t about division…it’s about bringing everyone together.
If the Labor Party weren’t so smug about their chances of getting this through and did their due diligence with all stakeholders - they may have got it through. That’s why part of my mind certainly suspects Albo set this up to fail.
AmericanHistoryX
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Yes or No. We have to respect all views. Both sides. Cause we are all in the dark here.
earl
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I completely understand. It's simply the Uluru Statement.
Uluru Statement from the Heart - Wikipedia
I have no problems with the whole thing. I'm supportive of a treaty. It doesn't scare me at all. What you call a rewriting of history they call truth telling. I'll wait and hear and then judge. Your perspective makes it sound so bad but their term doesn't. It's the same thing viewed from a different perspective. It must scare some people but it doesn't scare me.
crazycat
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I also don't get this....
Vote "Yes" that $5 Billion will be better spent and targetted where it is needed.
Vote "No" and watch the current waste continue and Aboriginal infant mortality continue to be significantly higher then the rest of the population.
Vote No, no change.
Vote Yes, we can start to fix problems like these.
AmericanHistoryX
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Again. They can start today. They dont need us. They have money and power.
watersider
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It's clear as day: voice, treaty, truth.
That's not covert it's crystal clear that this is the intention of the Uluru statement. You don't have to read beyond the statement to see it. Also Labor has said they support it in full. So that's clear too.
So sky News can act all shocked and ignorant but no one's hiding this.
But this referendum is about the voice referendum. Whether we vote yes or no, there will still be a push for treaty. I'm personally not scared of such discussions. Shouldn't this country have a treaty? Obviously a very contentious issue, and just not what this vote is about.
You have Thorpe on the no camp voting no BECAUSE she wants treaty. You have Warren Mundine voting no and instead pushing for treaty. And Anthony Mundine has a similar argument.
So yes or no, treaty is an issue.
This is a referendum about whether you support a representative body for indigenous people which will offer advice on indigenous policies. To me it is good.
This is not a vote on treaty and the voice does not equal treaty. And no does not get rid of treaty. The equal most prominent no campaigner wants a treaty and thinks voting no gets us closer to a treaty process.
www.abc.net.au
Credlin is distorting the issue to encourage fear. Albanese is focusing on the voice because that is what we're voting on.
Main issue: do you want a representative body for Indigenous people on Indigenous policies? Yes or no, fine either way.
Most people's decision to vote no here is fine. @Tucker doesn't believe a body like that can be representative of Indigenous people and will just lead to division. @Mistymuzzle believes it's a potential threat to the constitution and our democratic process. I disagree with these arguments and both sides could point to evidence and argument to support their position.
But the referendum is about the voice proposal and whether you support it. Focusing on treaty is separate and complicated for a whole bunch of reasons that are both enhanced and hindered by a yes or no vote.
Focus on the issue.
That's not covert it's crystal clear that this is the intention of the Uluru statement. You don't have to read beyond the statement to see it. Also Labor has said they support it in full. So that's clear too.
So sky News can act all shocked and ignorant but no one's hiding this.
But this referendum is about the voice referendum. Whether we vote yes or no, there will still be a push for treaty. I'm personally not scared of such discussions. Shouldn't this country have a treaty? Obviously a very contentious issue, and just not what this vote is about.
You have Thorpe on the no camp voting no BECAUSE she wants treaty. You have Warren Mundine voting no and instead pushing for treaty. And Anthony Mundine has a similar argument.
So yes or no, treaty is an issue.
This is a referendum about whether you support a representative body for indigenous people which will offer advice on indigenous policies. To me it is good.
This is not a vote on treaty and the voice does not equal treaty. And no does not get rid of treaty. The equal most prominent no campaigner wants a treaty and thinks voting no gets us closer to a treaty process.
Warren Mundine backs treaty process, claiming it will be successful if No vote wins referendum
The Bundjalung man also called for the date of Australia Day to be changed.
www.abc.net.au
Credlin is distorting the issue to encourage fear. Albanese is focusing on the voice because that is what we're voting on.
Main issue: do you want a representative body for Indigenous people on Indigenous policies? Yes or no, fine either way.
Most people's decision to vote no here is fine. @Tucker doesn't believe a body like that can be representative of Indigenous people and will just lead to division. @Mistymuzzle believes it's a potential threat to the constitution and our democratic process. I disagree with these arguments and both sides could point to evidence and argument to support their position.
But the referendum is about the voice proposal and whether you support it. Focusing on treaty is separate and complicated for a whole bunch of reasons that are both enhanced and hindered by a yes or no vote.
Focus on the issue.
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