Why bother with a review??

TIGERS said:
John Coates is a long standing WT fan and also donates money to our club. He's a fan!! Just like us. So I don't see any report from him as being the immutable and impartial source of truth that it's currently being made out to be. I'd venture that being IOC vice president has slightly different dimensions than what takes place in our boardroom. Do IOC comittee members have to contend with daily scrutiny and punshiment from NRL on Fox? Good luck to them if they had to.

In terms of corporate experience, we are talking about F1 racing vs billy carts here. You might know a lot about International doping problems and geo-political sportswashing concerns, but does that really translate into knowledge about how a small subrban joint venture should operate?

Look, im sure a lovely well written document with some best practice high minded ideas and some splendid jargon-filled proposals will be presented to those who asked for it and tell them everything they wanted to hear... We change chairperson and CEO,...they're bringing in their own people, they "need time to build a solid foundation" -- and before you know it they're being blamed by the mob and news corp for things that happened in 2012.

Come on, no kind of structural change can alter the infighting and poor behaviour from personalites within and around our club. What is that report going to say that will make Wests and Balmain humans like each other, and stop the petty leaking to the media that betrays our fans and our players week in week out. What in that report could possibly change the uniquiely complicated constraints in the NRL that make it almost impossible for our club to (consistently) compete fairly in the Transfer market.
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... and what do infighting and leaks stem from? A disrespect of leadership. Maybe because people who went to university for many years are being guided by a real estate agent.

Come on man. The report can be ignored at the end of the day. But John Coates is a qualified lawyer and sports manager and the other bloke is a CFO. Together, that's a pretty good combination. Ignoring the Olympics, John was a director at the AIS. Would be similar to our pathways.

You sound like a very smart guy. Well articulated. This does make me think this is a spin from internal, because the way you maneuver around the facts is impressive.
 
Todd Packer said:
Long long bow there.
He was homesick. Are we blaming Lee for the club being in Sydney now?
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he started training … met his teammates and is now ok…

I wouldn’t be surprised if Lee noticed his discomfort at training and bought a few cases of beer and some party pies so he could get to know his new teammates better … that’s the kind of guy Lee is
 
TIGERS said:
I thought he was. My bad. But still. not fan of the idea.
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The only part of your sentence that was wrong was the name John Coates.
The actual guy that conducted the review was in fact a club donor and fan.
It's strange that when smugly correcting you someone didn't point that out and just left you hanging.
 
Todd Packer said:
The only part of your sentence that was wrong was the name John Coates.
The actual guy that conducted the review was in fact a club donor and fan.
It's strange that when smugly correcting you someone didn't point that out and just left you hanging.
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our mate Lee is a club donor and fan as well Todd
 
TIGERS said:
I thought he was. My bad. But still. not fan of the idea.
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You verbosely pontificate against the need for an independent review without even understanding the nature of the review or bona fides of the party conducting it.

Basically - all because as you wrote in your first post you "like Lee Hagipantellis"...

Zero credibility!
 
Todd Packer said:
The only part of your sentence that was wrong was the name John Coates.
The actual guy that conducted the review was in fact a club donor and fan.
It's strange that when smugly correcting you someone didn't point that out and just left you hanging.
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In my original post I was speaking about Tony Crawford, interesting that you didn't point out his involvement.
 
Tom Shines said:
I fail to see why being a “fan” would make the outcome of his report any different …
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There's a bias that we all have when we've had prior dealings with people that colour our opinions.
I just think it would've been cleaner to appoint someone who came in untainted by prior dealings.
It doesn't really matter now.
Whatever happens, happens and hopefully Benji can overcome.
 
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cochise said:
Tim sheens didn't stand down, if he did why are we still paying him and insisted on him signing a non disclosure agreement?

Even if he did stand down there is so much evidence of us changing strategic direction just in relation to Tim. He went from pathways, to head of football, to coach and then sacked in less than 2 years. We anointed him the god of football at our club and then 12 months later we don't even consult him about appointing a head of recruitment? Those are strategic direction changes that show poor planning and fall directly on the CEO and board.

I have done plenty of work at a governance level, I know what the role of the board is. It is to set, monitor and maintain strategic direction of an organisation, the CEO's role is to implement that direction. We fail at both of those levels.

You don't think a guy that had senior executive roles in the NRL and has spent time on numerous sporting, including boards in Rugby league clubs would have a fair understanding of corporate governance in sport? You don't think he might be able to take a look at our club and make recommendations for improvement?
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once again very well said Gazz
 
Todd Packer said:
The only part of your sentence that was wrong was the name John Coates.
The actual guy that conducted the review was in fact a club donor and fan.
It's strange that when smugly correcting you someone didn't point that out and just left you hanging.
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There is someone else. May not be coates.
 
hammertime said:
I'm sure they have good intentions and love the club. But we pick the best players for the field, the same needs to be done at the board.
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The intention is to pick the best players for the team, but this is where I have little confidence in the organisational MO.
If the “leaders” are chosen on the strength of their fandom and mateship, how do they seperate that behaviour from becoming part of the club culture?
Are we seeing that organisational cultural behaviour finding its way into the coaching team and other areas? Correct me if I’m wrong, but we turfed out more experienced coaches to hire less experienced coaches, who haven’t coached but are old teammates of the head coach?
Is it possible that the situation is not improving but continuing on a downward spiral?
The mention of John Coates is interesting and relative to the discussion. He gave his main reason for refusing the job offer as being a fan of WT, and not wanting to mix business with his pleasure.
WT should take his advice imho and start recruiting on the basis of merit.
 
AmericanHistoryX said:
Who chooses the Leaders. There will you find the cancer.
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I can’t blame the leaders for Sheens exit.
Yes the leaders made the decision to get rid of Madge and then the decision to have Sheens provide experience to become Benji’s mentor.
The problem was the players lost confidence in Sheens and wanted Benji to have full control, so it was a case of either listening to the players or risking total unrest within the playing group.
Biting the bullet and backing Benji was the only option, whether or not it was a good option only time will tell.
As for who is ultimately responsible for player recruitment/retention and managing the salary cap, that remains a mystery.
I understand the board sign off on anything major, but like any board I presume the people they have in charge such as the coach, recruitment manager and football manager have to put in their recommendations with all the pros and cons before the board give a yes or no answer. Not many boards are going to say no to a player the coach desperately wants unless someone in charge of the salary cap points out reasons why it may affect the club moving forward.
This is why I say making these important roles accountable and possibly coming out with a statement surrounding this for the fans to know exactly who does what would be a huge step forward, rather than just throwing all the toys out of the cot and starting all over again.
 
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