Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Snidest 0]

Not at all irrelevant. Your "I know how to watch games" chest beating is less credible.

3 of the 4 wingers played in 5 or less wins. One played in 11 wins. They are all tasked with the challenge of making tackles & running the ball.

According to "He who watches games" one of these is absolutely the worst defensive winger in the NRL.

I'm betting you rate the other 3.

"Context" is everything when it comes to SELECTIVE stats!

I can pick stats for NFL QBs that are numerically near identical - but reflect very different quality of players/oppositions etc.

Wihtout that context the stats are meaningless

 

[GNR4LIFE]

He's not a winger and is being shifted....

You implied that his BETTER position is centre - it was a typical brain fart non sequitur in regards to your fake low work rate narrative

I didn’t imply at all. I just said he was being shifted. There was no comment at all on what kind of centre he will be

 

[The Chad]

"Context" is everything when it comes to SELECTIVE stats!

Safe to say context is also everything when a holier than thou "I watch games therefore I know more" commentary is used to discredit others.

Some might consider your argument as "evasion" given how 'absolutely positive' you are on your ability to 'know' through watching games.

 

[Snidest 0]

I didn’t imply at all. I just said he was being shifted. There was no comment at all on what kind of centre he will be

You think you are clever with semantics - but consistently produce self-serving ambiguous word salad befitting your trolldom

 

[The Chad]

"Context" is everything when it comes to SELECTIVE stats!

I can pick stats for NFL QBs that are numerically near identical - but reflect very different quality of players/oppositions etc.

Wihtout that context the stats are meaningless

Here's a little context outlier for you seeing as how you 'know'.

What are Nofa's defensive instructions?

 

[Snidest 0]

Safe to say context is also everything when a holier than thou "I watch games therefore I know more" commentary is used to discredit others.

Some might consider your argument as "evasion" given how 'absolutely positive' you are on your ability to 'know' through watching games.

Watch games young fella!!

Period!

Stats lie!!

 

[GNR4LIFE]

You think you are clever with semantics - but consistently produce self-serving ambiguous word salad befitting your trolldom

Says the guy arguing 3 others at once and name calling. Yeah, it’s someone else that is trolling. I think you are a bit too emotional for logical and respectful discussion.

 

[gregjm87]

Having a plan is good management.
Divulging the details of that plan to those affected by it at the beginning of pre season is poor man management. A good manager would get the top 4 winger prospects together, tell them they are his focus and that the starting positions would be determined by pre season and trial form. You have to make everyone believe that busting their arse all summer will be worth it. You don’t tell a senior player he is out of the running before he’s begun.

Completely agree.

The only possible reason for telling him he will be in reserve grade is if you think it will force his hand in requesting a release. But it is highly unlikely he is walking away from a 500k salary.

Depending on what was said, it could actually be the club in breach if they were to not pick him on merit in the hope he just up and leaves.

 

[The Chad]

"Context" is everything when it comes to SELECTIVE stats!

I can pick stats for NFL QBs that are numerically near identical - but reflect very different quality of players/oppositions etc.

Wihtout that context the stats are meaningless

NFL is a poor example in some ways. You don't play EVERY opponent the same as you do in the NRL. That's just a start.

But, using your argument. A QB is probably only as successful as the WR catching the ball, right?

Are wingers ability in defense directly impacted by the guy standing beside him in the line?

 

[gregjm87]

Irrelevant!

And many of Nofa's non-tackles are statistical anomalies that do not get counted as missed tackles because he doesn't make any contact with the attacking player - just leaves a massive hole for them to run into!

This is not a thing. Anytime a linebreak is made by a winger being beaten on the outside that winger is recorded as missing a tackle.

 

[The Chad]

Watch games young fella!!

Period!

Stats lie!!

So does the eye test.

You see what you want to see. Just because you 'watch games' doesn't make your judgement better than the paid NRL coaches who have selected him for years. There's a flaw in your argument.

YOU are Captain Amatuer.

They get paid for their opinion.

Common logic suggests you don't know diddley compared to them, despite 'watching games & knowing things'.

 

[cktiger]

Bula
Lobb
Tupou
T'oa
Staines

I don't think that's too bad if they get some ball from decent halves.

By the sounds coming out of training I’d think Naden will be somewhere in the team.

 

[Snidest 0]

Here's a little context outlier for you seeing as how you 'know'.

What are Nofa's defensive instructions?

This is your biggest problem!

You don't understand the dynamics of sliding or up-and-in defence!

If coming up and in off your line - you cannot run between your opposite and the inside attacker as if going for an intercept.

You have to get to the centre to prevent the pass...

His timing and technique are consistently appalling - and not in sync with his defensive line who tend to be sliding meaning he needs to keep his width and mark his opposite winger.

 

[The Chad]

By the sounds coming out of training I’d think Naden will be somewhere in the team.

If he's switched on Naden is potentially our most explosive outside back.

 

[Snidest 0]

So does the eye test.

You see what you want to see. Just because you 'watch games' doesn't make your judgement better than the paid NRL coaches who have selected him for years. There's a flaw in your argument.

YOU are Captain Amatuer.

They get paid for their opinion.

Common logic suggests you don't know diddley compared to them, despite 'watching games & knowing things'.

Name someone "paid for their opinion" who rates Nofa???

As I said his defence is a running joke in league circles!!

IYKYK

 

[Tito Santana]

All hail King Benji! I’m also hoping the following jobbers are fired for non performance or just being lame:

Ahem…

Noffa
Tumeth
Seyfarth
Papalii
Twal
Matamua

These guys wouldn’t make first grade at another club.

 

[The Chad]

This is your biggest problem!

You don't understand the dynamics of sliding or up-and-in defence!

If coming up and in off your line - you cannot run between your opposite and the inside attacker as if going for an intercept.

You have to get to the centre to prevent the pass...

His timing and technique are consistently appalling - and not in sync with his defensive line who tend to be sliding meaning he needs to keep his width and mark his opposite winger.

This is your biggest problem!

You don't understand the dynamics of sliding or up-and-in defence!

If coming up and in off your line - you cannot run between your opposite and the inside attacker as if going for an intercept.

You have to get to the centre to prevent the pass...

His timing and technique are consistently appalling - and not in sync with his defensive line who tend to be sliding meaning he needs to keep his width and mark his opposite winger

Not my biggest problem at all.

Thank you for the explanation. It's amazing what watching games will teach you.

If you could, however, explain how he has constantly gone against the coaches explicit gameplan that you have so accurately detailed, but rarely been removed from his position in the side, it might help me with all my other problems.

If you could also explain how this is solely a Nofa issue, therefore making him the worst defensive winger in the NRL, that'd be great.

 

[clontarfkid]

All hail King Benji! I’m also hoping the following jobbers are fired for non performance or just being lame:

Ahem…

Noffa
Tumeth
Seyfarth
Papalii
Twal
Matamua

These guys wouldn’t make first grade at another club.

Gotta replace em with somebody better..and affordable under cap
Papalii particularly challenging to replace..the others fringe NRL

 

[The Chad]

Name someone "paid for their opinion" who rates Nofa???

As I said his defence is a running joke in league circles!!

IYKYK

Michael Maguire.
Tim Sheens.
Ivan Cleary.


Snidest.

Oh wait- you've not selected him as a 1st grade coach. My mistake.

 

[Snidest 0]

Michael Maguire.
Tim Sheens.
Ivan Cleary.


Snidest.

Oh wait- you've not selected him as a 1st grade coach. My mistake.

All three coaches dropped him...

And Maguire was happy for him to leave!!

Dopey!!