2024 Pre-Season

tigerballs said:
tigerballs said:
I don't think you quite understand how to apply those stats. Maybe if you watched a game instead of just reading stats you'd be able to work it out.
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I don't think you quite understand how to apply those stats. Maybe if you watched a game instead of just reading stats you'd be able to work it out.
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What stats?
Watched all games, we don’t get anywhere near the value that other teams get out of their OB’s and our pack isn’t dominant…

Don’t need any stats to see that.
 
The-moP said:
Here's some stats that we have to improve on for season 2024:

TIGERS


2023

Metres gained: 1404 (10th)

Metres conceded: 1465 (5th)

Tries: 2.75 (17th)

Tries conceded: 4.96 (2nd)

Linebreaks: 4.00 (16th)

Linebreaks conceded: 5.75 (3rd)

Completions: 77.96 (13th)


2022

Metres gained: 1293 (15th)

Metres conceded: 1531 (1st)

Tries: 2.63 (16th)

Tries conceded: 4.92 (2nd)

Linebreaks: 3.54 (14th)

Linebreaks conceded: 5.71 (2nd)

Completions: 77.82 (10th)
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Clearly shows we have been very poor in making line breaks and scoring tries.
Obviously halves play a big part in that as do the primary ball runners such as fullback, edge forwards and centres.
 
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Vicious said:
Clearly shows we have been very poor in making line breaks and scoring tries.
Obviously halves play a big part in that as do the primary balm runners such as fullback, edge forwards and centres.
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Yeah the halves were odrinary 20m out. Had no idea what they were trying to achieve. The first few rounds Bateman was.the only one trying something..

All incare about is to stop that 40-50m over and end kick to the corner. Every time Brooks did that i was irritated. Who would coach that when you are dead last and have nothijg to lose? Play to score or mix the kicks up.
 
jrtiger said:
I disagree. Utoikamanu has already played Origin at 23 and is only going to get better, Klemmer is an Origin-calibre forward, Koroisau is the best hooker in the game and Papali'i and Bateman are both internationals who have plenty to give. Twal is a workhorse coming into his peak years and Pole is imo the most exciting young middle in the game.

if you thought Papali'i or Bateman were poor last year, I think Papali'i's issues were not a lack of effort, but the fact that Brooks didn't utilise him correctly. he's not an early ball backrower, he's best used getting the ball on the ad line. as for Bateman he went thru a stack of halves inside him and the lack of a preseason is what hurt him in the end. having a steady halves pairing that utilises both of them correctly will see them improve to no end.

I think the only thing we're missing is a 13, which should be filled by Kit Laulili'i by season's end. Da Silva is the best hooking prospect in the game and there's still a few others to come thru.
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Papali’i - another player who needs earlier ball to wind up, not the short hospital passes brooks was giving him.
 
Vicious said:
Clearly shows we have been very poor in making line breaks and scoring tries.
Obviously halves play a big part in that as do the primary balm runners such as fullback, edge forwards and centres.
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I think on paper our forwards are strong, but we’re middle of the road last year.
if you throw in some more offloads (no pun intended) and a backline that converts more points they’ll grow in to a top-performing pack.
 
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Vicious said:
Clearly shows we have been very poor in making line breaks and scoring tries.
Obviously halves play a big part in that as do the primary ball runners such as fullback, edge forwards and centres.
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You need to include the stats on possession, both time and percentage. If you're not getting repeat sets, you're not getting as much ball so your metres gained will be down and tackles made or missed up. You might charge up 70m in one set then immediately hand the ball over to a 22m tap. You may not have the ball again for several sets if the opposition is any good.
You also need to consider where the metres are coming from. If you are getting several repeat sets in a row, your metres are coming from a line dropout start which are the easiest metres to make.

Set completions play a major role in determining metres gained.
 
tigerballs said:
You need to include the stats on possession, both time and percentage. If you're not getting repeat sets, you're not getting as much ball so your metres gained will be down and tackles made or missed up. You might charge up 70m in one set then immediately hand the ball over to a 22m tap. You may not have the ball again for several sets if the opposition is any good.
You also need to consider where the metres are coming from. If you are getting several repeat sets in a row, your metres are coming from a line dropout start which are the easiest metres to make.

Set completions play a major role in determining metres gained.
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So do all the free metres returning kick offs - which we do lots of…
 
Off topic but there was no where else to speak it. Anybody get the drivel from Clint Newman and the RLPA about Volkman? Basically saying the NRL needs to do something about players in limbo.

Fact - Volkman's manager requested a release off a contract (Which the RLPA loves by the way), and signed a new deal with another club for a year (When he had two years on his contract). He has a season ending injury.

So the RPLA who look to the sky and shout that the players need more rights and more decision making are saying that a player manager(Who makes a.commision) and a player (Leaving his contract two years early) are in the right and that the NRLneeds to lift there game to accpmmodate the very policies the RLPA fought so hard for.

Fair dinkum, have you heard of a bigger hypocrite than Newton and the RLPA. Im sorry for the player but when you have managers circling amd the rules as they are eventually you will get bit.
 
SeanT said:
Off topic but there was no where else to speak it. Anybody get the drivel from Clint Newman and the RLPA about Volkman? Basically saying the NRL needs to do something about players in limbo.

Fact - Volkman's manager requested a release off a contract (Which the RLPA loves by the way), and signed a new deal with another club for a year (When he had two years on his contract). He has a season ending injury.

So the RPLA who look to the sky and shout that the players need more rights and more decision making are saying that a player manager(Who makes a.commision) and a player (Leaving his contract two years early) are in the right and that the NRLneeds to lift there game to accpmmodate the very policies the RLPA fought so hard for.

Fair dinkum, have you heard of a bigger hypocrite than Newton and the RLPA. Im sorry for the player but when you have managers circling amd the rules as they are eventually you will get bit.
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Not knowing much about the situation
But all falls on his manager imo

If he sustained the injury at warriors though it should be their rehab issue
But if he done it wrestling at Xmas it’s unfortunately tough luck
Does he have income protection
 
tigerballs said:
You need to include the stats on possession, both time and percentage. If you're not getting repeat sets, you're not getting as much ball so your metres gained will be down and tackles made or missed up. You might charge up 70m in one set then immediately hand the ball over to a 22m tap. You may not have the ball again for several sets if the opposition is any good.
You also need to consider where the metres are coming from. If you are getting several repeat sets in a row, your metres are coming from a line dropout start which are the easiest metres to make.

Set completions play a major role in determining metres gained.
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But we were ranked 6th for possession and 3rd for line drops outs forced.
Set completions were down slightly 12th but only 1% below the average.
 
SeanT said:
Off topic but there was no where else to speak it. Anybody get the drivel from Clint Newman and the RLPA about Volkman? Basically saying the NRL needs to do something about players in limbo.

Fact - Volkman's manager requested a release off a contract (Which the RLPA loves by the way), and signed a new deal with another club for a year (When he had two years on his contract). He has a season ending injury.

So the RPLA who look to the sky and shout that the players need more rights and more decision making are saying that a player manager(Who makes a.commision) and a player (Leaving his contract two years early) are in the right and that the NRLneeds to lift there game to accpmmodate the very policies the RLPA fought so hard for.

Fair dinkum, have you heard of a bigger hypocrite than Newton and the RLPA. Im sorry for the player but when you have managers circling amd the rules as they are eventually you will get bit.
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Newton loves the sound of his own voice - Never heard a bloke talk so much and say nothing....

Dragons need to be shot though, I can't see them getting away with it....
No way he asks for an immediate release without the new offer / contract.

Didn't Parra have to carry Hoppa for a bit for much the same thing - Changing their mind on an agreement....
As did we with Takairangi way back I reckon...

Flanagan once again showing how he 'really cares' for his cattle...
 
Haven't heard what was said, nor do I know a whole lot about the situation. It sounds as though Volkman signed a contract with the Dragons but the contract was not registered.
I would have thought, registered or not, that contract would still be legally binding and Dragons would have to pay and rehab him.
 
KingRobbie said:
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Gallery: Pre-season Week 2, 2024

Wests Tigers latest recruit Justin Olam has joined his new teammates at the Zurich Centre as 2024 pre-season training continues.
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Crazy to think previous years nof has been in almost every photo and yet this year U barely see him in any. He's fallen out big time with the club U would think ay
 
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