Australia Day

[TieDye]

Thats 1st January, hardly a great day to celebrate.

Anzac day has always felt a more patriotic day for me. After the horror of Gallipoli, an Aussie soldier has never been under the direction of a foreign officer.

Or a Kiwi

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Agree with you on what? I haven't read all the dribble on all the pages.

You mentioned something about changing the name, which is just ridiculously stupid and won't happen. Our name comes from a Latin word for Southern, which suits us fine and won't ever be changed.


But i do think they'll bundle the referendum with 2 questions.

1. Should Australia become a republic and get a new flag? Yes/No
2. Should Australia Day be moved to the date we formally become a republic? Yes/No

Sounds like you know it all. Why should our name be derived from the Latin?

People pushing for a different date for Australia day do so because they see that date as an invasion. If so wouldn't an aboriginal name be more appropriate?

A few decades ago a late night jockey on radio might have mentioned a flag change and being laughed at.

But......

Indonesia, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Formosa etc, etc.

Certainly could see states being renamed. Not saying Australia will change its name for sure but it may be proposed.

Not impossible with numerous precedents especially following the rejection of colonisation and occupation which is how white settlement is increasingly seen as.

 

[Yossarian]

The following statement from Woolworths Holdings Capetown SA, a major shareholder in Woolworths Australia..
17 November ‘23

WOOLWORTHS STATEMENT: SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT​

Media articles claiming that Woolworths supports an Israeli boycott are inaccurate and we want to set the record straight. Despite reports commending us for taking a pro-Palestinian or anti-Israeli position – we have not. Woolworths would like to explicitly affirm that we neither support nor boycott anyone. Woolworths has no political affiliations and does not support any political party, organisation or country….

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As far as I'm aware the South African Woolworths Holdings does not own any shares in the Australian Woolworths Group.

 

[coivtny]

Sounds like you know it all. Why should our name be derived from the Latin?

People pushing for a different date for Australia day do so because they see that date as an invasion. If so wouldn't an aboriginal name be more appropriate?

A few decades ago a late night jockey on radio might have mentioned a flag change and being laughed at.

But......

Indonesia, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Formosa etc,etc.

Certainly could see states being renamed. Not saying Australia will change its name for sure but it may be proposed.

Not impossible with numerous precedents.

I’m not in favour of changing the date or the flag but definitely think we should change the name of the country. May I suggest Hakowee.

 

[Kelce68]

In all likelihood change will all come at once. When we become a republic we'll get a new flag and take that opportunity to move Australia Day to the day we truly become an independent country. Probably 10 years away

Good. Can't come soon enough.

The continued fixation with England and the monarchy is as embarrassing as it is antiquated.

 

[Winston Churchill]

Btw, what’s being allowed to happen? Someone’s been watching too much Sky News.

Maybe someone needs to watch it.

 

[cochise]

Sounds like you know it all. Why should our name be derived from the Latin?

People pushing for a different date for Australia day do so because they see that date as an invasion. If so wouldn't an aboriginal name be more appropriate?

A few decades ago a late night jockey on radio might have mentioned a flag change and being laughed at.

But......

Indonesia, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Formosa etc, etc.

Certainly could see states being renamed. Not saying Australia will change its name for sure but it may be proposed.

Not impossible with numerous precedents especially following the rejection of colonisation and occupation which is how white settlement is increasingly seen as.

There has been talk of changing the flag for at least 30 years.

 

[Kelce68]

Agree with you on what? I haven't read all the dribble on all the pages.

You mentioned something about changing the name, which is just ridiculously stupid and won't happen. Our name comes from a Latin word for Southern, which suits us fine and won't ever be changed.


But i do think they'll bundle the referendum with 2 questions.

1. Should Australia become a republic and get a new flag? Yes/No
2. Should Australia Day be moved to the date we formally become a republic? Yes/No

If they do that, they're fools.

The lack of clarity and simplicity around the Voice question was a major, if not the primary reason for it failing so miserably.

Something more akin to - Do you feel Australia should become a republic? , is more likely to be successful in my opinion.

If you set the question up as a double, as per your suggested no. 1, then you need people to agree with BOTH parts in order to be confident in them voting yes. If people agree with the first, but not the second, or the second, but not the first, they will err on the side of caution and vote no most likely.

You can then have subordinate questions to follow, as you suggested doing with the Aus Day date for no. 2.

 

[Halbrowne61]

Thats 1st January, hardly a great day to celebrate.

Anzac day has always felt a more patriotic day for me. After the horror of Gallipoli, an Aussie soldier has never been under the direction of a foreign officer.

That makes good sense to me MM.Our most
patriotic day given real extra meaning.
25th April, Australia Day !!!!
Imo no more discussion required.

 

[Mistymuzzle]

That makes good sense to me MM.Our most
patriotic day given real extra meaning.
25th April, Australia Day !!!!
Imo no more discussion required.

I doubt it....would detract from the commemoration of Anzac Day, the "we will remember them, lest we forget" part would be ....um....forgotten. Also hardly a day for "celebration".

 

[shiretiger]

Why won't the old people just die quicker and then the young people can change the date as they please.

/sarcasm

There is no day in the calendar that would be acceptable to the activists. It isn't the day that is objectionable to them, it is non Aboriginal Australians that are objectionable. Always was. always will be. There isn't much wriggle room in those words.

 

[twentyforty]

As far as I'm aware the South African Woolworths Holdings does not own any shares in the Australian Woolworths Group.

Thanks for correcting me Yossa. Don’t know what I was looking at?

 

[bptiger 0]

I doubt it....would detract from the commemoration of Anzac Day, the "we will remember them, lest we forget" part would be ....um....forgotten. Also hardly a day for "celebration".

And u think idiots like Lidya Thorpe or mayo or that aboriginal minister who could not put one sentence together when asked questions , would be happy with that date , they don’t want any date the sooner u realise that u will see it for what it is

 

[Yossarian]

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Thanks for correcting me Yossa. Don’t know what I was looking at?

It's an understandable belief. It's a confusion situation.

 

[Halbrowne61]

I doubt it....would detract from the commemoration of Anzac Day, the "we will remember them, lest we forget" part would be ....um....forgotten. Also hardly a day for "celebration".

Disagree but that’s what the forum is for !

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Thats 1st January, hardly a great day to celebrate.

Anzac day has always felt a more patriotic day for me. After the horror of Gallipoli, an Aussie soldier has never been under the direction of a foreign officer.

I guess there wasn't an Australian officer senior enough to take command of the whole Australian contingent, however nearly all battalion and brigade commanders were Australian. So they commanded the troops, but not the campaign.

Remember too, that Australia offered 20 000 troops to the crown in any composition to fight in any location at the outbreak of WW1 . The Australian government considered itself still a colony in most respects.

Subsequently though Australians continue to take orders from overseas commanders. Even Blamey was under Macarthurs orders. Australians have always been involved in overseas conflicts where they were the junior force in numbers.

What really changed after Morants execution during the Boer War in 1902 was that Australians weren't under foreign Courts Martial even when serving under foreign command I believe.

With regards the date.

Anzac day is already a more important day.

However activists could claim that the Dardanelles campaign was an Empire cause where at least 50% of Australians involved were born overseas anyway and where the Australian involvement wan a minority in numbers for the total force employed and was another Australian involvement in a foreign war hardly worth celebrating.

Then you'll have the rape in war brigade.

That's the problem with activists.

 

[240z]

Thats 1st January, hardly a great day to celebrate.

Anzac day has always felt a more patriotic day for me. After the horror of Gallipoli, an Aussie soldier has never been under the direction of a foreign officer.

Wrong

Have you ever heard of General MacArthur the supreme commander of the South-West Pacific Area, with authority over all allied naval, land and air forces in the Pacific theatre.

 

[240z]

That makes good sense to me MM.Our most
patriotic day given real extra meaning.
25th April, Australia Day !!!!
Imo no more discussion required.

I fully support ANZAC DAY my favourite day on the calendar, the only day I celebrate really but

Playing DEVIL'S ADVOCATE if we have Australia Day on the 25th of April it could be construed that we are celebrating the invasion of another country?

Sounds familiar right

Aren't we trying to get away from that

Not an appropriate day to celebrate Australia Day - ANZAC Day is a day to reflect on the sacrifices of Australian and New Zealand forces to placate the British Monarchy, Parliament's and War Mongers

Don't sully ANZAC day by adding in Australia Day

 

[Tucker]

Agree with you on what? I haven't read all the dribble on all the pages.

You mentioned something about changing the name, which is just ridiculously stupid and won't happen. Our name comes from a Latin word for Southern, which suits us fine and won't ever be changed.


But i do think they'll bundle the referendum with 2 questions.

1. Should Australia become a republic and get a new flag? Yes/No
2. Should Australia Day be moved to the date we formally become a republic? Yes/No

Bundling referendum questions rarely works out well.

 

[Tucker]

I fully support ANZAC DAY my favourite day on the calendar, the only day I celebrate really but

Playing DEVIL'S ADVOCATE if we have Australia Day on the 25th of April it could be construed that we are celebrating the invasion of another country?

Sounds familiar right

Aren't we trying to get away from that

Not an appropriate day to celebrate Australia Day - ANZAC Day is a day to reflect on the sacrifices of Australian and New Zealand forces to placate the British Monarchy, Parliament's and War Mongers

Don't sully ANZAC day by adding in Australia Day

Yes absolutely.
ANZAC Day is not a celebration.
It is more akin to a day of mourning.