Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[gregjm87]

I think
Kikau, Burton, Mahoney, Fox would all be on solid money + creighton. Would all be about $600,000 to $750,000.
Plus the second rower (club captain) they tried to punt was reportedly on $600,000, which was the issue in trying to get rid of him (a bit like Nofa)
Wasn’t Burton just upgraded to his ‘true’ value or I think that’s what I read

I think you would be right for all those players (except probably Addo-Carr just under 600K).
But none of those salaries are exorbitant and in line or lower than comparisons at every other club e.g. most clubs would have (at least) one half on as much or more as Burton, one hooker on as much or more as Mahoney and one if not two backrowers on as much or more as Kikau and RFM. The only salary I think would be above the starting position average is Addo-Carr and arguably Crichton.
The rest of their starting 13 would be well below what most teams are spending in their respective positions.

 

[gregjm87]

So they haven’t spend big on the other 2 Penrith players , the hooker from the eels , the fox and at least 5-6 more players , they might have 10 spots which I doubt, but there cap has to be in trouble

Depends what you call "big". As above I think they would be on par with most clubs for their high priced players and well below par for their rest of their best 17 players.

 

[crazycat]

I think
Kikau, Burton, Mahoney, Fox would all be on solid money + creighton. Would all be about $600,000 to $750,000.
Plus the second rower (club captain) they tried to punt was reportedly on $600,000, which was the issue in trying to get rid of him (a bit like Nofa)
Wasn’t Burton just upgraded to his ‘true’ value or I think that’s what I read

The Dogs have to keep Burton... Halfbacks are just too valuable.

Kikau, Mahoney, Fox. They can find second rowers, Hookers and Wing's easily enough.
I would argue Fox is a good pickup but only at the right price.

Fast predictions:
Latu Fainu will be heavily targetted by the Bulldogs. Gould will keep his interest up.
Gould will ruthesly cut players, including Fox who is very loyal to the team.
I expect another tough year for Ciraldo, and perhaps us as well. The difference between the top 4 sides, the next 8 and the bottom straglers is HUGE.

 

[Juice]

I think
Kikau, Burton, Mahoney, Fox would all be on solid money + creighton. Would all be about $600,000 to $750,000.
Plus the second rower (club captain) they tried to punt was reportedly on $600,000, which was the issue in trying to get rid of him (a bit like Nofa)
Wasn’t Burton just upgraded to his ‘true’ value or I think that’s what I read

Kikau, Burton and Critta are all on over $800k each and when Fox signed he was the highest paid winger in the comp. I think they are still a long way off top 8 still as well

 

[gregjm87]

So they haven’t spend big on the other 2 Penrith players , the hooker from the eels , the fox and at least 5-6 more players , they might have 10 spots which I doubt, but there cap has to be in trouble

I'll go further (values from Zerotackle which I don't rate as a source but easiest to use for this).

Crichton: 825K. Bula: 700K
Kikau: 800K. Bateman: 750K
Burton: 750K. Luai: 1.2M
Mahoney: 600K. Api: 700K
Addo-Carr: 550K Nofo: 525K
F-Mariner: 600k. Papali'i: 600k

Total: 4.125M. Total: 4.475M

I then think our "5 or 6 more" including Utoikamanu, Klemmer, Pole, Twal, 2 X Fainu, Sullivan would be on much more than their 5 or 6 more of Preston, Sutton, Curran, Kiraz, Tracey, Olauapu, Mann.

Do this for any team and I think Dogs would be spending far less.

 

[bptiger 0]

I'll go further (values from Zerotackle which I don't rate as a source but easiest to use for this).

Crichton: 825K. Bula: 700K
Kikau: 800K. Bateman: 750K
Burton: 750K. Luai: 1.2M
Mahoney: 600K. Api: 700K
Addo-Carr: 550K Nofo: 525K
F-Mariner: 600k. Papali'i: 600k

Total: 4.125M. Total: 4.475M

I then think our "5 or 6 more" including Utoikamanu, Klemmer, Pole, Twal, 2 X Fainu, Sullivan would be on much more than their 5 or 6 more of Preston, Sutton, Curran, Kiraz, Tracey, Olauapu, Salmon.

Do this for any team and I think Dogs would be spending far less.

Ur not the accountant that the rosters use 🤔🤪

 

[FrodoTBaggin]

I'll go further (values from Zerotackle which I don't rate as a source but easiest to use for this).

Crichton: 825K. Bula: 700K
Kikau: 800K. Bateman: 750K
Burton: 750K. Luai: 1.2M
Mahoney: 600K. Api: 700K
Addo-Carr: 550K Nofo: 525K
F-Mariner: 600k. Papali'i: 600k

Total: 4.125M. Total: 4.475M

I then think our "5 or 6 more" including Utoikamanu, Klemmer, Pole, Twal, 2 X Fainu, Sullivan would be on much more than their 5 or 6 more of King, Preston, Sutton, Curran, Kiraz, Tracey.

Do this for any team and I think Dogs would be spending far less.

Thompson & Pangia Jr have left at the end of this year too and they definitely haven't signed anybody that meets their level of pay yet.

Also the salary cap went up, I would say the dogs are completely fine.

 

[AdelaideTiger]

I'll go further (values from Zerotackle which I don't rate as a source but easiest to use for this).

Crichton: 825K. Bula: 700K
Kikau: 800K. Bateman: 750K
Burton: 750K. Luai: 1.2M
Mahoney: 600K. Api: 700K
Addo-Carr: 550K Nofo: 525K
F-Mariner: 600k. Papali'i: 600k

Total: 4.125M. Total: 4.475M

I then think our "5 or 6 more" including Utoikamanu, Klemmer, Pole, Twal, 2 X Fainu, Sullivan would be on much more than their 5 or 6 more of Preston, Sutton, Curran, Kiraz, Tracey, Olauapu, Mann.

Do this for any team and I think Dogs would be spending far less.

They still have Thompson on stupid coin ($800k) don't they?
And in my mind they paid more for Mahoney than we did for Api. But you're not wrong, they still have cap to spare because their halves cupboard is real bare.

 

[KingRobbie]

They still have Thompson on stupid coin ($800k) don't they?
And in my mind they paid more for Mahoney than we did for Api. But you're not wrong, they still have cap to spare because their halves cupboard is real bare.

Thompson gone, went back to Super League.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

They still have Thompson on stupid coin ($800k) don't they?
And in my mind they paid more for Mahoney than we did for Api. But you're not wrong, they still have cap to spare because their halves cupboard is real bare.

Thompson has gone back to the ESL.

 

[AdelaideTiger]

Thompson gone, went back to Super League.

Thompson has gone back to the ESL.

Thanks fellas, must have slept through that one 😅

 

[gregjm87]

They still have Thompson on stupid coin ($800k) don't they?
And in my mind they paid more for Mahoney than we did for Api. But you're not wrong, they still have cap to spare because their halves cupboard is real bare.

We may have paid less for Api initially (though I'd doubt it) but I'd guess we probably would have paid more when extending.

 

[Vicious]

Burton on 750 or 800k is great value.
They are playing him in the wrong position, his elite ball running game along with what he can create for others with the ball in hand, would make him an elite fullback if given the chance.

 

[Lestronge]

Hired assassin vibes. I feel ya

Still. Nice to have them

If you say we are paying Olam $400 + $400 + $600 = $1.4m over 3 yrs

Even if we paid tupou $500k for 3 years

That’s only $100k more over 3 yrs

I’d pay that for a young tupou over an Olam for 3 yrs (last year olam going to be porridge I reckon) lol

Anyway I’ll shut up now about it- don’t want to bog down forum in things that have happened

Honestly , I think the story going around is that Lobb is training the house down . I guess if you’re at training watching these guys , and the guy on a minimum salary/ development contract is running circles around the guy wants 500k a season , I mean yea.
I will say this Tupou prior to round 15isj deserved the contract he just got . Tupou after round 15 , would have been plying is trade in KOE cup for any team not named the tigers last year . His form fell off a cliff .
I don’t feel like we’ve made any real major retention mistakes lately in the last 3-4 years .
Like there’s been no one who you’d say “ what the hell” about.
Prior tot his period there’s obviously Papenhuyzen and Addo Carr , etc.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Honestly , I think the story going around is that Lobb is training the house down . I guess if you’re at training watching these guys , and the guy on a minimum salary/ development contract is running circles around the guy wants 500k a season , I mean yea.
I will say this Tupou prior to round 15isj deserved the contract he just got . Tupou after round 15 , would have been plying is trade in KOE cup for any team not named the tigers last year . His form fell off a cliff .
I don’t feel like we’ve made any real major retention mistakes lately in the last 3-4 years .
Like there’s been no one who you’d say “ what the hell” about.
Prior tot his period there’s obviously Papenhuyzen and Addo Carr , etc.

I agree, but under assumption that we could not keep Moses, Aloiai and Matterson.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Honestly , I think the story going around is that Lobb is training the house down . I guess if you’re at training watching these guys , and the guy on a minimum salary/ development contract is running circles around the guy wants 500k a season , I mean yea.
I will say this Tupou prior to round 15isj deserved the contract he just got . Tupou after round 15 , would have been plying is trade in KOE cup for any team not named the tigers last year . His form fell off a cliff .
I don’t feel like we’ve made any real major retention mistakes lately in the last 3-4 years .
Like there’s been no one who you’d say “ what the hell” about.
Prior tot his period there’s obviously Papenhuyzen and Addo Carr , etc.

Lobb, Alaimalo and Faataape provide depth and an injection of talent into the backs. They seem hungry for success and the club has done will to identify and recruit them.

 

[crazycat]

Kikau, Burton and Critta are all on over $800k each and when Fox signed he was the highest paid winger in the comp. I think they are still a long way off top 8 still as well

You think about how many stars the dogs have, and they still came 15th.
Kikau, Burton, TJS, etc.

Now they have signed a few utilities and Critta... I don't think Ciraldo is doing a bad job, I just get how hard it is to make a bad team rise.

Look down the ladder. I see no change in the top 4, except their order:
Penrith
Broncos
Storm
Warriors

I only see movement in the next 4
Knights (stays same. maybe 6th)
Sharks (increases, team pushing for top 4).
Roosters ( out of the 8)
Raiders (missing players, out of the 8)

The Rabbits, I see trying to push into the 8.. but with John Morris leaving I wonder if the stars will rule the team down.

Then:
Eels - maybe back in the 8 or 9th.... or lower, most contracts are not up for renewal.
Cowboys - Honeymoon over, bottom 12.
Sea Eagles, 14-17
Dolphins - Will rise with a whole season behind them. They have a good forward pack and lots of talent. 10th or higher.
Titans - Des is a good coach that can get the most out of players. He will know who to snipe from manly (and strangely hasn't signed anyone significant from there) and he has the entire Gold coast recruitment to draw from... 11th
Bulldogs -- ?? They should be a top 8 squad. They have punted a stack of players and should be rising... But they haven't made it yet. I suspect they will get 13th.
Dragons - dead set last. (and if Flanagan gets them to even 16th he is an excellent coach).

The ladder is so crowded. I would like to see the Tigers rise, we just have to push other people out of the way.

 

[gregjm87]

How do you figure the Dogs "should be a top 8 squad"?
Also why so negative on Manly?
I agree with your summation of other teams if not their positioning.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Manly are certainties for the 8 if Turbo stays fit

 

[The-moP]

I agree on Faataape, very impressive in attack just hope he can aim up in defence. If so, he could be something out of the box!

What are your thoughts on the Fainu brothers from what you have seen at training @The-moP ?

All 3 of the Fainu brothers have slotted in well so far .. it helped having the eldest already at the club. Latu especially is impressive to watch .. every time i see Sam he reminds of Stephano Utoikamanu hitting the ball up. Benji is watching him like a hawk .. it would not surprise if Latu is named on the bench come our first game Rd2 in Canberra. ;-)