Ah religion , don't you love it?Disagreeing with political responses to climate change is one thing.
But to pretend it's not happening at all is signing Cameron Ciraldo as coach level of stupidity.
In fact the rate of heating is accelerating so fast the the 'alarmist' (in reality extremely conservative) IPCC scientists aren't keeping up:
'Uncharted territory': The world's extreme heat can't be fully explained, and scientists are worried
As the world continues its spell of hottest months on record, leading climate scientists say there is a margin to the persistent heat which cannot be explained by the effects of known climate drivers and global warming.www.abc.net.au
Unfortunately yes I think so, what many people don't realise is the massive lag - the heating we see now is from emissions many years ago. And as global emissions have only increased since then, further warming is locked in that I think will easily see us lock in tipping points and feedback loops. Especially the loss of albedo from ice loss, and methane release from the Arctic and Siberian tundra. Talking about 1.5 or 2 is a joke IMO, we will smash through that.
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TillLindemann
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Yawn
Buttface
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Full blood Ozy.
but yeah, Pom, Irish and French heritage, not that that matters as I have no connection to them at all. Just an Ozy.
I grew up with adults, Nan, Pop, Uncles, Aunts, so got an old vocab at times. Mrs BF has mentioned it a few times. She reckons I was the only person she ever heard say the word “minion”, now it’s a movie.
I don’t know where they are hiding those donut holes but we need an investigation.
The cheese holes though, Mrs BF was telling me that something like little wheat particles or something fall into the cheese mix on the farm and that’s what makes the holes. 🤷♂️. I’m a city boy, the only thing I know about farming is brown cows give you chocolate milk.
Buttface
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Yeah it’s a real laugh.
A great post TrueTiger, with lots of genuine heartfelt, non-aggressive, non-threatening feelings and thoughts, and I respect that, even though I don't agree with some of it.
Gees I appreciate your posts Buttface.
You're a bloody good storyteller, love the humor.
We need your input here for a LOOOOOOONG time.
I hope the Tigers get up for Yuh on Sunday 🙂.
TillLindemann
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This is a slogan often repeated, but how about you actually think it through? If a government was really just interested in a 'money grab' they would be approving as many coal mines as possible and upping royalties on them. Likewise they would be opening up as many gas and oil fields as possible, and taxing the shit out of them.
Fossil fuel companies are right up there with the biggest companies on earth, and many of them are state-owned. Saudi Aramco vies with Apple and Microsoft as the world's wealthiest company.
If you wanted to cash grab with a hoax, you'd be supporting these behemoths, not opposing them.
Maybe it's more of a power grab now.
But with power comes money.
Seems the 'thing' now is to go green and hate on mining and fossil fuels.
Governments go with the votes to keep (or get into) power... even if they might not completely agree with what they're spruiking.
TillLindemann
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Governments don't need a vast global hoax incorporating thousands of scientists and masses of fraudulent data to grab power, or to raise taxes, they just do it.
When Labor's in, they just say "we need to raise this tax, or introduce this policy, to fix the Liberals' mess"
When the Liberals are in, they just say "we need to raise this tax, or introduce this policy, to fix the Labor mess"
Moreover, politicians are simply too dumb and incompetent to manage such a vast global hoax.
The simpler explanation is that greenhouse gases do, in fact, trap heat; and as a result, temperatures are, in fact, rising and ice extent is receding.
I wasn't saying governments are in on a vast global hoax.
What i was saying is they pander to whatever they think the voters want to hear to buy their votes.
Whether global warming is a hoax or not doesn't really matter as long as their 'supposed' action on it gets them votes from the masses who believe it's not.
TillLindemann
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Agreed, politician are rubbish, and when they're not doing favours for their largest donors they are generally just saying what voters want to hear. This is true of almost all issues.
For me the more important question on climate change is not 'are politicians cynical and useless?' (they are) but rather 'is it happening?' (yes), 'at what rate is it happening?' (accelerating), and 'what are implications?'
That is far too much logic for the people in the red tin foil hats to understand
The fossil fuel companies know climate change is proven beyond scientific doubt and that their time is up.
Any debate around climate change being real, wind turbines killing birds, Australia adopting nuclear and so on is just a PR campaign to confuse people and buy a few more years of operation for coal mines and coal power plants.
I say this as someone from a migrant family that moved here to work in coal mining and was put through school thanks to mining profits!
Any debate around climate change being real, wind turbines killing birds, Australia adopting nuclear and so on is just a PR campaign to confuse people and buy a few more years of operation for coal mines and coal power plants.
I say this as someone from a migrant family that moved here to work in coal mining and was put through school thanks to mining profits!
Buttface
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Thanks Bz.
Out walking The Fonz this morning, strutting with my Luai signed members hat on and another bloke walks past and says “I hope the Tigers win, and I’m a dragons fan, you guys are playing good footy.”.
I reckon he’s trying to jinx us into to loosing, so I said I hope we win to and I am not a dragons fan. And then with my fingers crossed I touched the wood of the nearest tree. Not that I’m superstitious at all. 🤞🍀🧧
Isn't the government still selling our terrible coal and uranium? China is building two coal power stations a week plus nuclear ones as well. Way to go Australia.
Wow...tell us more Spartan, like who do you work for, what sort of business is it, and did you vote against the implementation.
BIG BROTHER is becoming more real each and every day, in every way, by the sound of things.
It looks to me George Orwell may have only been out by 100 years, not 1984 but 2084 or close to it.
My best days are nearly over 117 and I'm not sorry about that, as life has been mostly a bucket of 💩 anyway.
But I will still keep doing my tiny little bit to be kind to our Planet Earth in any way I can to slow down Climate change.
Composting our food scraps etc. is a really good thing to do for our planet earth.
And one of the most important ingredients in my compost bin would be the finely ground ashes of Donald Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon 😈.
As people say TL...we learn something new every day, and in my case it's the word Albedo, never heard it before.
So, I looked it up on my wonderful AI Copilot oops!!! 😳 and got an immediate answer.
AI...wonderful today...scary tomorrow.
What the bloody hell is China doing cbh...they've quadrupled their coal generated power in 4 years, and if Aust. is a major supplier of that coal, we damn well shouldn't be.
Our politicians are very naughty boys, and Scomo is the naughtiest of the whole lot by brandishing that lump of coal in Parlt. only a few years ago and telling us "not to be afraid of it".
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TillLindemann
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Yeah so in this case I particularly mean as darker colours absorb heat and lighter reflect it (e.g. that's why it is silly to have a black roof in a hot climate), the melting of ice means there's less white and more dark blue, which increases warming, which leads to less ice, which leads to more warming, and so on and so an. So it only needs a moderate amount of 'human' warming to set in motion almost irreversible feedback loops that cause much greater warming.
Agree on AI!
Kaito
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Old folks are particularly cautious I've noticed...
Shouldn't shame ppl wearing masks haha, some
people wear them if they've got the flu, they don't
want other ppl to get sick. Not everything is a conspiracy
