Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[hank37w]

A good clean out has not happened in years , we move a couple each year , a clean out would be 5 from first grade and 7 from reserve grade to really get some quality in who can fight for positions , you only need to see bulldogs results so far , some are saying they may sneak a top 8 spot this year , they moved on half a team or more

Remember a couple of seasons ago Sheens was credited with somehow miraculously off loading a few players that we thought were going to still be around for a while.

The trouble was that we were not able to replace them with quality players and when it became obvious that no one was coming we filled the top 30 with players from within that a couple of seasons later are still not getting any regular top grade time.

 

[weststigerman]

There is all this talk in here of swapping players, getting rid of players holding down positions in our starting 13.

The fact is there is not enough top level talent in the NRL, most of the elite players are at the top 4-5 clubs. The only way I can see us improving is getting better players around are existing team. Swapping or removing players for another player that looks good in another system is pointless.

Staines, Papali'i, Api, Klemmer, Olam all looked great at their previous clubs, but are down on that form at WT and there are many players that leave WT and improve. Look at Brooks, even Talau looks better than when he was here.

 

[Tucker]

There is all this talk in here of swapping players, getting rid of players holding down positions in our starting 13.

The fact is there is not enough top level talent in the NRL, most of the elite players are at the top 4-5 clubs. The only way I can see us improving is getting better players around are existing team. Swapping or removing players for another player that looks good in another system is pointless.

Staines, Papali'i, Api, Klemmer, Olam all looked great at their previous clubs, but are down on that form at WT and there are many players that leave WT and improve. Look at Brooks, even Talau looks better than when he was here.

Look at our list:

• Adam Doueihi - Played International footy 8 times
• Aidan Sezer - Played 225 top level games, Played PM's 13, Played 1 NRL GF
• Alex Seyfarth
• Alex Twal - Played 131 top level games, Played International footy 4 times
• Api Koroisau - Played 198 top level games, Played International footy 17 times, Played SOO 4 times, Played in 4 NRL GF's
• Asu Kepaoa
• Brandon Tumeth
• Brent Naden - Played 1 NRL GF
• Charlie Staines - Played International footy 1 time, Played 1 NRL GF
• David Klemmer - Played 226 top level games, Played PM's 13, Played International footy 19 times, Played SOO 14 times, Played 2 NRL GF's
• Fonua Pole
• Isaiah Papali'i - Played 147 top level games, Played International footy 11 times, Played in 1 NRL GF
• Jahream Bula - Played International footy 3 times
• Jake Simpkin
• Jayden Sullivan
• John Bateman - Played 270 top level games, Played International footy 28 times, Played in 1 NRL GF
• Jordan Miller
• Josh Feledy
• Junior Tupou - Played International footy 1 time
• Justin Matamua
• Justin Olam - Played 111 top level games, Played International footy 14 times, Played PMs 13, Played in 1 NRL GF
• Lachlan Galvin
• Latu Fainu
• Samuela Fainu
• Sione Fainu
• Solomon Alaimalo
• Starford To'a - Played International footy 1 time
• Stefano Utoikamanu - Played International footy 2 times, Played SOO 1 time
• Tallyn Da Silva

Our squad has been around and experienced a fair bit collectively. There are enough members in this squad who have lots of big game experience and/or have come out of the best clubs of the modern era.
There are too many players in this squad who know what they are doing for this team to lose as much as it does. Can it be improved? absolutely. However winning only 10 games from our last 60 starts is bullshit.

 

[Demps]

Look at our list:

• Adam Doueihi - Played International footy 8 times
• Aidan Sezer - Played 225 top level games, Played PM's 13, Played 1 NRL GF
• Alex Seyfarth
• Alex Twal - Played 131 top level games, Played International footy 4 times
• Api Koroisau - Played 198 top level games, Played International footy 17 times, Played SOO 4 times, Played in 4 NRL GF's
• Asu Kepaoa
• Brandon Tumeth
• Brent Naden - Played 1 NRL GF
• Charlie Staines - Played International footy 1 time, Played 1 NRL GF
• David Klemmer - Played 226 top level games, Played PM's 13, Played International footy 19 times, Played SOO 14 times, Played 2 NRL GF's
• Fonua Pole
• Isaiah Papali'i - Played 147 top level games, Played International footy 11 times, Played in 1 NRL GF
• Jahream Bula - Played International footy 3 times
• Jake Simpkin
• Jayden Sullivan
• John Bateman - Played 270 top level games, Played International footy 28 times, Played in 1 NRL GF
• Jordan Miller
• Josh Feledy
• Junior Tupou - Played Internationl footy 1 time
• Justin Matamua
• Justin Olam - Played 111 top level games, Played International footy 14 times, Played PMs 13, Played in 1 NRL GF
• Lachlan Galvin
• Latu Fainu
• Samuela Fainu
• Sione Fainu
• Solomon Alaimalo
• Starford To'a
• Stefano Utoikamanu - Played International footy 2 times, Played SOO 1 time
• Tallyn Da Silva

Our squad has been around and experienced a fair bit collectively. There are enough members in this squad who have lots of big game experience and/or have come out of the best clubs of the modern era.
There are too many players in this squad who know what they are doing for this team to lose as much as it does. Can it be improved? absolutely. However winning only 10 games from our last 60 starts is bullshit.

Starford Toa played for NZ too, from memory

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Starford Toa played for NZ too, from memory

He didn’t

 

[KingRobbie]

Starford Toa played for NZ too, from memory

He's played one Test match for Tonga.

 

[Vicious]

All good....
I'm not really winning anything, Moreso someone is defending the indefensible...

They're different kids, and I'm not looking to compare them - Merely pointing out what happens when a player has an impact... They promote themselves.

Arguing Seyfarth isn't getting much work done because he's not getting minutes is just dumb...
It's exactly the opposite,
He's not getting much minutes because he's not getting anything done...

By the time Seyfarth has cone on the field the past 2 games, we were already dead and buried, it could have been Haas coming off the bench for us and it still wouldn’t have helped us win the game.
If the coach doesn’t think a bench player is good enough, then it’s his fault for selecting him on the bench in the first place.

 

[Kaito]

Starford Toa played for NZ too, from memory

Junior kiwis. Makes me think of Marsters in the centres,
he fell off hard. Had high hopes 4 Esan, hope he's well

 

[Vicious]

There is all this talk in here of swapping players, getting rid of players holding down positions in our starting 13.

The fact is there is not enough top level talent in the NRL, most of the elite players are at the top 4-5 clubs. The only way I can see us improving is getting better players around are existing team. Swapping or removing players for another player that looks good in another system is pointless.

Staines, Papali'i, Api, Klemmer, Olam all looked great at their previous clubs, but are down on that form at WT and there are many players that leave WT and improve. Look at Brooks, even Talau looks better than when he was here.

For the past 100 years players who have stood out at the lower level such as reserve grade, more often than not also stand out playing NRL once given the opportunity.
Our issue is we have absolutely nobody standing out for our reserve grade team.
We will not be getting players such as David Fifita or Angus Crichton who are in demand from too 8 clubs, we might have been an outside chance of getting Crichton while he was playing reserve grade earlier this season, but our recruitment was again asleep at the wheel.
What’s the alternative when your NRL team is playing terribly and your Reserve Grade Team is playing even worse ?
It’s not going to help by sitting back doing nothing g about it and letting the ship slowly sink. Any club with any idea would say enough is enough, we are sacking, offloading or trading some players to get some new blood in the squad that can hopefully do a better job than the ones that have already been under performing for the first 3rd of the season.

 

[versa]

I don’t really rate Stef.
He’s a good first grader, I don’t think he’s elite.
Our $900k could be better spent elsewhere

I with you mate
Stef $900k or Fifita at a Mil.
I know who I'm taking

 

[bptiger 0]

Having been watching the super league games , there is a few young backrowers who I think could make it here , they would be cheap and worth a go

 

[426Tlgerland]

Having been watching the super league games , there is a few young backrowers who I think could make it here , they would be cheap and worth a go

Yes couple in super league and the chance to come over to Australia to live and play is huge for them they all want a crack hear , could be another Ellis lurking around just need someone to chase him down

 

[Canadian Club]

Junior kiwis. Makes me think of Marsters in the centres,
he fell off hard. Had high hopes 4 Esan, hope he's well

He's currently playing for Huddersfield Giants in Super League.

Surprisingly, he even started at fullback for them in a game recently.

 

[Kaito]

Haven't watched much SL @Canadian Club thanks

 

[851]

Having been watching the super league games , there is a few young backrowers who I think could make it here , they would be cheap and worth a go

They mentioned on NRL 360 last night, Jimmy said souths had illegally approached a St Helens forward, and now Saints are digging in their heels, won't let him go to souths, Jimmy said he is a good player. George Delaney, only 20, might be able to be poached if you come in the front door, not the back door like souths

 

[weststigerman]

For the past 100 years players who have stood out at the lower level such as reserve grade, more often than not also stand out playing NRL once given the opportunity.
Our issue is we have absolutely nobody standing out for our reserve grade team.
We will not be getting players such as David Fifita or Angus Crichton who are in demand from too 8 clubs, we might have been an outside chance of getting Crichton while he was playing reserve grade earlier this season, but our recruitment was again asleep at the wheel.
What’s the alternative when your NRL team is playing terribly and your Reserve Grade Team is playing even worse ?
It’s not going to help by sitting back doing nothing g about it and letting the ship slowly sink. Any club with any idea would say enough is enough, we are sacking, offloading or trading some players to get some new blood in the squad that can hopefully do a better job than the ones that have already been under performing for the first 3rd of the season.

I'm not suggesting we do nothing, but haven't we done enough clean outs to learn that it doesn't work? The only team recently to successfully do this is the Broncos who already had a top quality underperforming team and are a destination club.

As boring as it sounds, there is no point punting the Papali'is and Batemans and then expect a replacement to come in and do better.

Galvin, Bula, Api and co need time to build their combinations. Teams like Penrith and Parra slowly built combinations over a few years. A few years ago Dylan Edwards was dropped to NSW Cup for example and was performing a long way below where Bula currently is.

 

[tiger05premier]

I don’t really rate Stef.
He’s a good first grader, I don’t think he’s elite.
Our $900k could be better spent elsewhere

Understand what you are saying and where it is coming from

But I think we all base his development on Payne hass

Hass is elite

Front rowers take years to develop in NRL and I think stef is doing ok and will develop into a great front rower

Plus he is our best front rower

Massive step backwards if we lose him

We really need to keep him

 

[versa]

Understand what you are saying and where it is coming from

But I think we all base his development on Payne hass

Hass is elite

Front rowers take years to develop in NRL and I think stef is doing ok and will develop into a great front rower

Plus he is our best front rower

Massive step backwards if we lose him

We really need to keep him

Understood. Like Hass Fifita is a generation talent.
As soon as Hass hit the seen he was a gun.
Stef not even close. Hass could easily play 80. Stef not a chance.

Fifita is a game breaker.
Sign him asap

 

[Needaname]

Kaufusi was ahead of Stef at Parra. They played together there.

Kaufusi was ahead of Stef at Parra. They played together there.

Yes, this! when we made the call to sign Stef it was because Parra had Kaufusi in their line up and were keen for him to stay and be part of their roster. Then Sharks sneak under the radar and sign him and I’m pretty sure he was still on contract.
With an already exploding forward pack at the Sharks I couldn’t see how they would fit him in.
But back to the original point why couldn’t we sign him as well as Stef?

 

[SwervinMervin]

He is off to the Roosters from what I have heard

Well the Roosters aint going to win a premiership in the next 3 years either. Underperforming club with the roster they have. They start favourites every year, particularly with the journos, because they are all scared of Nick Politis and suckered in by Robinson's sermonic monologues. Does anyone else think he is a complete bore who loves the sound of his own voice?. I would rather listen to AFL coaches talk about disposals or whatever it is they call it than listen to TR.