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king_sirro said:
Arthur delivered consistent top 8 finishes and a group that consistently responded to his call for effort and aggression. It was time for Parra to move on because 11 years is long enough to win a comp, so he failed to deliver the final frontier. IMO he has showed he can coach and keep players invested for a long period of time. That is important.

Ivan Cleary was asked once too. Wayne Bennett also.

Your arguments against the majority here are usually well thought out and hard to argue against as clearly you are very intelligent. However your not making much sense at all this weekend. Your arguments, while on paper may seem to have merit, in reality lack anything of the sort.
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I didnt say Brad Arthur cant do the job, I just made the point that he was sacked very very very recently for failing his team.

But that's the guy people want, assuming he's even interested, because Benji hadn't turned the wooden spooners around in 6 months.

If you told me we could replace Benji with Bennett or Bellamy, then sure go for it, make the change tomorrow.

But people are suggesting to swap Benji for Josh Hannay.
 
tig_prmz said:
You seem like a staunch supporter of Benji and the club. Would you say that we made the right decision in appointing Benji? Would you think that Benji's experience of 1 year as an assistant coach is a better resume than all the above?

Arthur "failing to deliver" is factual but you're just saying that to make an arguement. The guy's resume as a coach, whether as a head coach or assistant is something Benji can only dream of in 10 years.

I personally cannot think of any NRL head coach that has been successful without serving a good apprenticeship, or even had moderate success. Can you?
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Not a Benji booster, I just think it's rash to appoint him head coach and then sack him after 6 months. I think that play would truly be something a basket case organisation does.

And not to replace Benji with some expert coach, but some other recent failure or risky hire.

So yeah Arthur had a decent resume but so did Mage and Sheens. If we could have signed Brad Arthur last year I would have been supportive, but not after just 6 months with the new guy if a team that finished last twice.
 
jirskyr said:
I didnt say Brad Arthur cant do the job, I just made the point that he was sacked very very very recently for failing his team.

But that's the guy people want, assuming he's even interested, because Benji hadn't turned the wooden spooners around in 6 months.

If you told me we could replace Benji with Bennett or Bellamy, then sure go for it, make the change tomorrow.

But people are suggesting to swap Benji for Josh Hannay.
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Agree. Benji was always going to use this year to blood juniors and see if they can step up.

24 was a junior blood year, Next year was the step year with Luai/other pickup to gel, 26 the finals crack year.

Stefano, Galvin and others know this hence why they are itchy feet. They won’t be competing anytime soon for the comp.

Hannay, Holbrook, Arthur, Flanno etc all would have the same issue with this squad.
 
Dr_Ice said:
While Pascoe may have final sign off, surely the Football Operations team, recruitment and coach are the ones who put the recommendations forward of who they want.
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They all reported through to him and the make up of the player squad was ultimately his responsibility….The buck stops with Pascoe …
 
For God’s sake just relocate the club to Perth. An absolute shambles for 22 of its 25 years existence. The merger didn’t work. That‘s fine. Just please stop. Went to my first game at Leichhardt in 1983. Balmain are dead. stop besmirching their memory with this joke of a ’club’.
 
jadtiger said:
You are one of the few who was capable of moving on to another club and i respect you for that,i know/knew supporters from Newtown and Norths who are lost to the game after they went under.I personally could not support another club if the Tigers did not exist that is just the way i am.
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Ironically for me, the only other teams I would have mild interest in would be the Bears or Jets if their brand was adopted for one of the new franchises. For me, if Wests Tigers brand was gone, then I'm gone watching NRL.
 
rah53 said:
For a long time now, this club has had a lot of players that didn't care about winning or doing their best for their teammates. They only care about being paid, not working together for the best of the club.
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I don’t think so

This club puts family and being nice first (like taking a home game to NZ last year)

We don’t have a killing winning mentality

Pascoe and now Benji

We need a win at all costs culture and Benji ain’t preaching that
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
Agree. Benji was always going to use this year to blood juniors and see if they can step up.

24 was a junior blood year, Next year was the step year with Luai/other pickup to gel, 26 the finals crack year.

Stefano, Galvin and others know this hence why they are itchy feet. They won’t be competing anytime soon for the comp.

Hannay, Holbrook, Arthur, Flanno etc all would have the same issue with this squad.
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We are forever using this season or that season to do this or that... Blood juniors... Start a massive clean out... Begin a five year plan net etc... Meanwhile most other clubs are using "this season" to compete for the premiership... They go out to win not try plan 'A' or put this process into action... That's what off seasons are for
Our whole years are off seasons
 
innsaneink said:
We are forever using this season or that season to do this or that... Blood juniors... Start a massive clean out... Begin a five year plan net etc... Meanwhile most other clubs are using "this season" to compete for the premiership... They go out to win not try plan 'A' or put this process into action... That's what off seasons are for
Our whole years are off seasons
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Smashed it out the park , 100% correct mate we have had 3 and 5 year plans for 20 years and can’t make the 8 , we need to get aggressive , Harden up , and buy nasty players who only know how to bash and barge for 90 minutes we need 6 of those 6 gifted players , then our young blokes
 
innsaneink said:
We are forever using this season or that season to do this or that... Blood juniors... Start a massive clean out... Begin a five year plan net etc... Meanwhile most other clubs are using "this season" to compete for the premiership... They go out to win not try plan 'A' or put this process into action... That's what off seasons are for
Our whole years are off seasons
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The Warriors turned around from a bottom three club to a Top 4 club with a rookie head coach in 1 season …. But they did it through some astute buying of NRL ready players….

Richo needs more NRL players to move the needle ..otherwise Spoon 4 on the way next year …
 
jirskyr said:
Not a Benji booster, I just think it's rash to appoint him head coach and then sack him after 6 months. I think that play would truly be something a basket case organisation does.

And not to replace Benji with some expert coach, but some other recent failure or risky hire.

So yeah Arthur had a decent resume but so did Mage and Sheens. If we could have signed Brad Arthur last year I would have been supportive, but not after just 6 months with the new guy if a team that finished last twice.
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Don't you think it was a mistake appointing Benji in the first place? I'm sure most people here do and most likely so does Richo despite what he says in public.

Your point is that we shouldn't sack him because he was appointed 6 months ago but he shouldn't have been appointed in the first place..and sack is a strong word. If Benji is actually serious a bout coaching, he'll do it the proper way and go coach reserve grade, assist for a few more years and actually be a head coach for smaller teams before coming into the NRL.

And in terms of setting standards, it is also something a basket case club would.do which is hiring a guy who hasn't coached in his life.
 
New addition to the world club challenge. GF winners from each comp obviously play and the 2 spooners play off in a double header. We could possibly be the shittest professional team in the world. ✌️
 
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tig_prmz said:
Don't you think it was a mistake appointing Benji in the first place? I'm sure most people here do and most likely so does Richo despite what he says in public.

Your point is that we shouldn't sack him because he was appointed 6 months ago but he shouldn't have been appointed in the first place..and sack is a strong word. If Benji is actually serious a bout coaching, he'll do it the proper way and go coach reserve grade, assist for a few more years and actually be a head coach for smaller teams before coming into the NRL.

And in terms of setting standards, it is also something a basket case club would.do which is hiring a guy who hasn't coached in his life.
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the six month thing is a bit of a furphy …rumours were pretty strong that Sheens had checked out this time last season and Benji was essentially running things in all but name including picking the team with Sheens just in the background ..also Benji was the one driving the recruitment calls …as we saw with the disputes with Fulton…

I would still give him at least to the end of the year ..if the last game was an indicator of what is to come over the rest of the season …I don’t think Richo will have any other option except to pull the trigger…
 
Tom Shines said:
the six month thing is a bit of a furphy …rumours were pretty strong that Sheens had checked out this time last season and Benji was essentially running things in all but name including picking the team with Sheens just in the background ..also Benji was the one driving the recruitment calls …as we saw with the disputes with Fulton…

I would still give him at least to the end of the year ..if the last game was an indicator of what is to come over the rest of the season …I don’t think Richo will have any other option except to pull the trigger…
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The club is trying something different, for the first time they’ve hired a top of the range CEO at huge cost, and taken a step back to let him and the coach do what they’re paid to do.
They could have done this years ago but they needed to be told by a sponsor who turned the club inside out looking for answers.
imo, Benji needs at the very least another say 20 + games before a “please explain performance review“ and without pressure.
otherwise I think we’d be just repeating the same mistakes wouldn’t we? Having a 5 year plan, reducing it to 3 years then scrapping it for another knee jerk plan.
 
The hardest thing to stomach is the amount of ex Tigers players doing great things at other clubs and we continue to struggle. What is wrong with our club that this has been happening for 25 years! Penrith have the west sown up.

RIP Tigers. Fold the club. Have 16 teams and boost the competition - which is what we’re doing now anyway.

I wouldn’t be extending to more teams.
 
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