Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[gregjm87]

I love the “Roosters buy premierships” line….

They run out less ‘bought’ players than we did on the weekend…
Some of their best players have come through the grades there - our best players we bought in from somewhere else… they target spend, we spend for the sake of spending and make it look like we’re doing something…

I think Roosters probably are cheating the cap but I think all clubs probably are in some way. I largely agree that the sooking about them isn't warranted however. Sure they have bugger all local juniors but their junior area is very limited. Thus they have to look elsewhere.

Even though he is from NZ someone like Manu I believe is every bit a Roosters junior as Campbelltown kid would be for us. He's been with the club since he was 14. The Roosters helped with his footballing development and schooling then brought him through their junior pathways. That is exactly what a club would do with any local junior.

The side last night had 9 players that debuted at the club. A few came through their pathways, a few didn't get a look in at their junior club and went looking for an opportunity elsewhere and a few were star juniors head hunted by the club. I'd say that is pretty much how every teams line up would look.

 

[Betterdays22]

I love the “Roosters buy premierships” line….

They run out less ‘bought’ players than we did on the weekend…
Some of their best players have come through the grades there - our best players we bought in from somewhere else… they target spend, we spend for the sake of spending and make it look like we’re doing something…

Roosters consistently perform about as well as any other club from Matts through to First Grade. Its lazy to say they solely "buy" premierships. Yes many of the juniors are not local, but they clearly have excellent talent scouts and recruiters and have shown they can develop players into proper first graders.

 

[BAGNF05]

Roosters consistently perform about as well as any other club from Matts through to First Grade. Its lazy to say they solely "buy" premierships. Yes many of the juniors are not local, but they clearly have excellent talent scouts and recruiters and have shown they can develop players into proper first graders.

Yes talent scouts 💰

 

[colinbh]

I think Roosters probably are cheating the cap but I think all clubs probably are in some way. I largely agree that the sooking about them isn't warranted however. Sure they have bugger all local juniors but their junior area is very limited. Thus they have to look elsewhere.

Even though he is from NZ someone like Manu I believe is every bit a Roosters junior as Campbelltown kid would be for us. He's been with the club since he was 14. The Roosters helped with his footballing development and schooling then brought him through their junior pathways. That is exactly what a club would do with any local junior.

The side last night had 9 players that debuted at the club. A few came through their pathways, a few didn't get a look in at their junior club and went looking for an opportunity elsewhere and a few were star juniors head hunted by the club. I'd say that is pretty much how every teams line up would look.

Tedesco, Smith, walker, Hargraves, Collins, Leniu, dreadlocks, May, Keery, and there are a couple of others that escape me. Where did they all come from? Compare that lot to any 9 players of the other clubs. Note- did not include Manu.

Salary cap manipulation? Creative accounting? Who knows?

 

[The Chad]

Watching last night I couldn't help but think, if we replaced Utoikamanu with Corey Horsborough..

 

[weststigers]

Wishart > Hynes right now

Melbourne have an amazing ability to turn relatively good players into top NRL halves. I don't think they've had a season without a competitive halves combination.

 

[hank37w]

Really Tuck? One of the greatest coaches of all time.

But can he do Rugba Leeg? 🤣

 

[liltiger]

The Bulldogs over the last few seasons have offloaded plenty while still under contract, they are not paying the full salary cap wages for all those players I can assure you.

You sure it's not being paid by 3rd party sponsors which are not included in the cap. The sponsor pays them out and it clears the cap space for the dogs to sign someone else using the freed up cap space. Or the dogs are still paying them in the cap and a 3rd party sponsor is just paying for the new signing outright outside of the cap.

 

[Vicious]

You sure it's not being paid by 3rd party sponsors which are not included in the cap. The sponsor pays them out and it clears the cap space for the dogs to sign someone else using the freed up cap space. Or the dogs are still paying them in the cap and a 3rd party sponsor is just paying for the new signing outright outside of the cap.

No Gould specifically stated the rules had changed and it’s no longer the case where a club is hamstrung in way of cap space when paying out or releasing a player they no longer want or need. He specifically said there is still a percentage the club will lose in way of cap space, but not the full amount like it once was.

 

[liltiger]

No Gould specifically stated the rules had changed and it’s no longer the case where a club is hamstrung in way of cap space when paying out or releasing a player they no longer want or need. He specifically said there is still a percentage the club will lose in way of cap space, but not the full amount like it once was.

Damn why aren't we on that gravy train

 

[Vicious]

Damn why aren't we on that gravy train

I think you will find Richo is holding off still in hope that the unwanted contracted players on our roster for 2025 and beyond will eventually find another club to take on their full wages, but if that doesn’t eventuate he will pay them out

 

[BAGNF05]

Melbourne have an amazing ability to turn relatively good players into top NRL halves. I don't think they've had a season without a competitive halves combination.

It’s a simple game and Belly ache is best at teaching kids this.

 

[Needaname]

No that’s what everyone is missing.
Once you pay a player out it is only a portion that comes out of your cap, nowhere near the full amount.
Yes the club has to cons up with the money, but the cap space is nowhere near dollar for dollar.

Cap money is cap money. In your example it would be if a portion of the players contract was made up of third party deals.
In the case of Gould and Laundry; I think you’ve found your loophole.

 

[hank37w]

it would be happening all the time then right? The Tigers could move on a third of their squad

Nah, we couldn't do that, we have no money, didn't we make a loss?

Mind you, this is despite Richo coming out and saying that with the funding that the clubs get these days, you would have to be a moron to make a loss.

I guess you'd have to talk to the recently departed management team to find out how they managed to do that, maybe there was a drop in hat sales. 🤣

 

[Lestronge]

Roosters consistently perform about as well as any other club from Matts through to First Grade. Its lazy to say they solely "buy" premierships. Yes many of the juniors are not local, but they clearly have excellent talent scouts and recruiters and have shown they can develop players into proper first graders.

It’s not lazy at all . The year they bought Tedesco , they also added Cronk. The issue isn’t that they can offer overs and want to spend the money , I personally don’t care .
The issue is the lack of transparency, and regulations around it . Like every other sport with a salary cap . The “well if they do , so should we” is a lazy argument . The opportunities might not be available .
And in a completion regulated by a salary cap , being able to offer more money external of that cap is ridiculous . It undermines the whole thing .
It should be transparent , and obvious , and allowed with regulations like a luxury tax.
It allows clubs like the roosters to spend whatever they want , but also provides enough penalties to allow something akin to parity . And if the roosters screw up and chuck good money at bad … well then you have the NY Yankees of the last 20 years . Paying the tax , and having a mediocre team on the paddock .
For the billionth time , it’s not about the fact they can pay overs , it’s about all the bullshit that goes with that , and the undermining of the game .
As I’ve said previously even FIFA understand this , with “fair play” rules in place . Despite those rules being toothless at the moment . ( I think man city have like 200 fines )

 

[Needaname]

You sure it's not being paid by 3rd party sponsors which are not included in the cap. The sponsor pays them out and it clears the cap space for the dogs to sign someone else using the freed up cap space. Or the dogs are still paying them in the cap and a 3rd party sponsor is just paying for the new signing outright outside of the cap.

This is how the roosters manage to move someone like Mitchell Pearce on and clear his entire salary on their salary cap. In reverse to what Vicious is stating I’d say when Cronk came to town they had the 3rd party deal that Pearce had added to their cap and cleared so that they freed up the whole million on the cap for the next player.
I have no doubt they would be doing similar with Manu and JWH when they leave this season.
Rinse and repeat.

 

[Tom Shines]

Nah, we couldn't do that, we have no money, didn't we make a loss?

Mind you, this is despite Richo coming out and saying that with the funding that the clubs get these days, you would have to be a moron to make a loss.

I guess you'd have to talk to the recently departed management team to find out how they managed to do that, maybe there was a drop in hat sales. 🤣

just get Wests Ashfield to put in some more of their pokie money

 

[Tom Shines]

It’s not lazy at all . The year they bought Tedesco , they also added Cronk. The issue isn’t that they can offer overs and want to spend the money , I personally don’t care .
The issue is the lack of transparency, and regulations around it . Like every other sport with a salary cap . The “well if they do , so should we” is a lazy argument . The opportunities might not be available .
And in a completion regulated by a salary cap , being able to offer more money external of that cap is ridiculous . It undermines the whole thing .
It should be transparent , and obvious , and allowed with regulations like a luxury tax.
It allows clubs like the roosters to spend whatever they want , but also provides enough penalties to allow something akin to parity . And if the roosters screw up and chuck good money at bad … well then you have the NY Yankees of the last 20 years . Paying the tax , and having a mediocre team on the paddock .
For the billionth time , it’s not about the fact they can pay overs , it’s about all the bullshit that goes with that , and the undermining of the game .
As I’ve said previously even FIFA understand this , with “fair play” rules in place . Despite those rules being toothless at the moment . ( I think man city have like 200 fines )

Four premierships they have won since the 70s … if they are cheating then they suck at it…

 

[gregjm87]

Tedesco, Smith, walker, Hargraves, Collins, Leniu, dreadlocks, May, Keery, and there are a couple of others that escape me. Where did they all come from? Compare that lot to any 9 players of the other clubs. Note- did not include Manu.

Salary cap manipulation? Creative accounting? Who knows?

Of that list.
Walker was a teenage kid yet to debut when recruited to Roosters, though he was highly sought after. It was reported that it was his uncles connections that won him over to the Roosters.

Hargraves was a young front rowers who had played 6 games looking for an opportunity as he was struggling to break into Manlys premiership side.

Collins couldn't get a look in at the Broncos given the front row talent they had there. He had several suitors but was hardly a big name Recruit when he Debuted at the Roosters.

May was unwanted at Panthers and had very few suitors when Roosters recruited him. Debuted at Roosters and would still be on his rookie contract this season.

Admittedly that still leaves 3 internationals and a couple of premiership winners. But heck even weve been able able to recruit 3 internationals and a couple premiership winners.

 

[Nonotmeagain]

If we sign him the whole fourm is back half way though next year saying things like
“Why do we keep signing old players who are past their prime”

Look at his disciplinary record - had more time off for tripping than I did in the 70's.