Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

Tiger-ferret said:
The problem is we only have a small number snr players relative to our competition. If you are getting pummeled every week and you’re feeling you’re trying pretty hard, then I don’t blame batemans reaction if he was having a weak moment.

The quality of the squad is the problem so perhaps benji should be supporting the snr players rather than singling them out.

What ever experience we had is now out the door or completely demotivated.
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What do you mean ? I had a debate at half time with king sirro about his value , because he was all over the place . That got way worse as the game went on , and we were closer to a victory than not ! That’s hardly a “I’m putting in but no one else is “ situation .
Outside of Lualiii and his 2 horrific errors , the 3 biggest contributors to that loss were him , Sezer and AD ball hogging / glory chasing .
If you’re a coach , and your job is to assess this , how can you come to any other conclusion other than my older players are passengers on this team .
 
Tiger-ferret said:
difference between dogs and tigers is that dogs can cut the deadwood lose and signed better than average first graders.

Perhaps calling out Bateman and him walking out this season will work out in our favour…but chances are we will be paying big $$ for him to play in England next year. Or worse, ressies for us.
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Bateman won’t come back to play reserve grade , I think he may not be back at all and that’s on him so we pay nothing we don’t need to pay him to leave , he left so zero cost to us
 
Kelce68 said:
No he hasn't.

Whilst it's a nice story (his recovery), his defence on his return has shown very little improvement from what it always has been. He's made on average 11 tackles per game, missing around two per match. What this doesn't show, though, is both misreads on the edge and lack of effort plays, like cover tackles, chasing half/clean breaks, etc.

At 25 years of age, having played near on 100 NRL games, he should have improved immensely in this area, regardless of time off. In fact, he has had more time than most to reflect on the insufficiencies in his game and come up with a plan to improve. This includes communication and organising his edge, regardless of who is inside or outside of him. Far too often, he continues to take the easy option and look to blame everyone else when his edge falls apart.

He remains a strong ball runner who loves to go himself and is a threat near the line or in broken field play and I'm glad he's back in the rotation.

But until he gets fair dinkum about the other side of his game without the ball, he'll forever be stuck as a mediocre footballer. He's in the same boat as Starford To'a.
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Agreed .. I’m a special kind of freaking out about having Starford Toa and Faatape in the centres this week ,, especially without Bateman there to babysit them in defence
 
Moh said:
With all due your respect Richo - what are the Tigers going to do with a war chest?
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Well the 1st thing we will do is sack another 5-8 players , then that will mean me and benji can do a world trip flying 1st class , stay at the best hotels and drink great wines . As for the tigers I looked over the under 10s and they have some great talent there , so just sit back and wait till there ready, we should be back in tiger town just as there ready to play 1st grade , cheers all .

Been serious, I think that’s what a lot on here think , releasing players no replacements , and hoping that kids can just fill the void , and zero information at all too us supporters, not good enough
 
gregjm87 said:
Of all the clubs, not sure how Dogs come under scrutiny for a 'sombrero'.
They would have the cheapest 1 and 7 (Sezer aside) in the game. A largely unheralded forward pack outside of Kikau which typically features 2 first year rookies every week. And there big money centre and wing is balanced by Xerri bought on the cheap after his drug ban and Kiraz who they got after he wasn't offered a contract at Knights.
There'd be a dozen clubs I'd question before the Dogs. Though I'd admit outside looking in perhaps they got away with some shenanigans with Jackson early retirement and Pangai walking away, however no evidence of any actual wrong doing.
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U forgot burton , and the little grub who players hooker , there both on $800,000 plus
 
LeichhardtTiger said:
gregjm87 said:
Of all the clubs, not sure how Dogs come under scrutiny for a 'sombrero'.
They would have the cheapest 1 and 7 (Sezer aside) in the game. A largely unheralded forward pack outside of Kikau which typically features 2 first year rookies every week. And there big money centre and wing is balanced by Xerri bought on the cheap after his drug ban and Kiraz who they got after he wasn't offered a contract at Knights.
There'd be a dozen clubs I'd question before the Dogs. Though I'd admit outside looking in perhaps they got away with some shenanigans with Jackson early retirement and Pangai walking away, however no evidence of any actual wrong doing.
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and a bloke called JAC
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Crichton, Burton, Kikau, Mahoney, JAC, Tuipolotu, that kid Oluapu 500k they brought from
up north, and then all the rest 14-17 Mann, Curren
etc. Get the F outta here. No way they're cap compliant
 
bptiger 0 said:
U forgot burton , and the little grub who players hooker , there both on $800,000 plus
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No I didn't. Mahoney would be an average money hooker (reported as 650k) no more than the majority of starting hookers. Burton would likely be over 800k but still about standard for any teams dominant half.
 
426Tlgerland said:
Bateman won’t come back to play reserve grade , I think he may not be back at all and that’s on him so we pay nothing we don’t need to pay him to leave , he left so zero cost to us
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Its mostly speculation all this anyway. I’m just disappointed it’s all gone to poop. I think he was one of the few that had a crack (over the season) and actually cared.
 
bptiger 0 said:
Did u watch the raiders game , scored a good strong try but he had chances to fly down the wing but was rounded up very quickly, maybe u need to rewatch that game
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I don't need to rewatch that game. I've watched more of Luke than just his handful of first grade games. He is not Hamiso-quick, but he has plenty of pace to play wherever in the backline he will end up fitting.

I suggest you use more than a 3 game sample size to form opinions of 18 year olds that you know nothing about.
 
gregjm87 said:
Of all the clubs, not sure how Dogs come under scrutiny for a 'sombrero'.
They would have the cheapest 1 and 7 (Sezer aside) in the game. A largely unheralded forward pack outside of Kikau which typically features 2 first year rookies every week. And there big money centre and wing is balanced by Xerri bought on the cheap after his drug ban and Kiraz who they got after he wasn't offered a contract at Knights.
There'd be a dozen clubs I'd question before the Dogs. Though I'd admit outside looking in perhaps they got away with some shenanigans with Jackson early retirement and Pangai walking away, however no evidence of any actual wrong doing.
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I think the issue is that only a really, really dumb club would outright cheat the cap now in the sense of doing the type of thing the Storm did a decade or so back - two sets of books or similar. What will be far more prevalent is things like when players conveniently walk away from massive contracts "coincidentally" at exaclty the moment the club decides they're no longer providing value. Jackson and TPJ at the Dogs, Inglis at Souths, so many names it's almost laughable at the Roosters.

Clubs like the Tigers pay a brutal price for signing bad deals (and, by virtue of being bad, more or less have to sign bad deals to get players - we always have to offer the extra year or the extra $200k a year to get any free agents over the line) whereas clubs like the Roosters just seem to have bad contracts evaporate on them. When we try to do the same, we get a two year cap penalty for suggesting a club legend might get a job at the club after he retires.

It's a rigged system and it's not going to change while the likes of Nick Politis have the game's administration and media in their back pockets. What it means is that there's simply no way we're going to "win" via the free agent market, or at least not as the primary means of building a roster. It has to be through development. We're starting from the pit lane with every free agent signing, and the poor contracts we have to offer to get anyone here are precisely the thing that keeps us uncompetitive down the track. The only answer is to do what Penrith did - and Canberra to a lesser extent: just keep churning out kids.
 
crazycat said:
Bateman was roumered to have said that Benji treats the Senior players like Juniors and the Junior players like Seniors...

I don't know if this is true, but it is far past the time Richo gets an exit strategy for Benji. I am hoping that Benji can be moved to coach New Zealand for a few years... I really REALLY hope we are not going to try Benji with Luai and the rest next year. We don't need 6-9 months of coming 17th for another year to see this isn't working.
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Luai only came because of Benji, that will work well
 
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