FUTURE’S BRIGHT AT THE TIGERS DESPITE CURRENT WOES

What are you on about? Where did I mention Madge ? 😂
It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, the point is the continual change of landscape isnt helpful. I realise most posters think it’s fun , like having a new toy, but it’s not the way to build a powerful team. Now try to be rational?
You mentioned signing here , for your coach to be sacked …. I guess that’s sheens as well , but I’m not sure anyone signed here for sheens … it was mainly Benji
 
It is rubbish. I love how people pass on a rumour without having any first hand knowledge. What makes Maguire a great coach is the way he answers the question…”what are we playing for?” “What does it mean to represent this team?” His only failure has been Tigers probably because he failed to find any answers?
So it was a Madge thing …… why gaslight me ? His shenanigans get old quick .
Then you’re just getting yelled at by a middle aged man for … reasons ?
Even Phil Hould said you can only have 1 massive blow up a year because it’s a sure fire way to lose the room .
With Madge it was Half time , full time , Monday video , Thursday ball session , Saturday captains run , with a few dead snakes and some sacrifices in between .
It’s funny to talk about , but man ….. I don’t know how inspiring it would be 26 weeks a year .
 
It honestly means diddley even if we do.

Far more important we see progression from the playing group than results at this point.
I disagree if we could fight to avoid what looks inevitable and Parramatta who were in the GF two years ago get it says we have still fought to the end.

Last year I felt the side gave up and did not have the same fight as this year. Some of it may the youth wanting to win, however not yet being skilled enough to make the difference.

I would feel better in the off season if we missed the spoon and go into 2025 with hope be it false or not that we will get better.

Lets beat the Knights, Souths and Parra and have the Bye to finish strong.
 
100% it's not blind faith, Richo has dragged 3 teams from the foot of the ladder, 2 to premierships, blind faith was hoping Lee, Pascoe and company would save us
Exactly . My main issue was Robbie and Heighno in the coaches box . Not because they weren’t legends and I doubted thier knowledge , but they hadn’t developed the skills to teach that knowledge .
We need someone who has that skill set in this kit bag . Like a Michael Hagan type .
I think a man manager overseeing the whole program is the right move , is that Benji ? I dunno , but the idea is sound IMO. Mainly because the head coach spends as much time in meetings about player recruitment , 1 on 1s with players , media commitments , meetings with members and the board , meetings with managers etc .
The actual training is rarely covered by the nrl coach . He’s just overseeing , and probably multi tasking whilst that’s going on as well . Especially during the season .
It’s not the 1980s where it’s Warren Ryan and a trainer , running roads in concord .
It’s 💯 about getting right coaches to implement the strategy , refine it and deliver it . And I think external of Morris , we didn’t have enough of that in the room . With all due respect to Robbie and Heighno.
You simply don’t know what you don’t know …
 
Madge had to deal with the dud contracts that Ivan had brought onto the club which took years to fix. He was able to recruit Api & Papali'i once he actually had some breathing room & also had to deal with the incompetence of the previous management. The fact that Madge has been successful everywhere he's gone except here shows that the club is/was a problem & not him. Madge also doesn't get enough credit for turning around our pathway systems imo... it's clear he had a focus of trying to invest more into the juniors infact the winning Wests HM team won while he was still coach.
I agree Ivan has [This word has been automatically removed]ed us for the past 3 seasons.
Teddy Moses here's your contract get on the bus. Or see ya. That's hurt us. Throw in crazy deals Reynolds Mbye packer
 
I disagree if we could fight to avoid what looks inevitable and Parramatta who were in the GF two years ago get it says we have still fought to the end.

Last year I felt the side gave up and did not have the same fight as this year. Some of it may the youth wanting to win, however not yet being skilled enough to make the difference.

I would feel better in the off season if we missed the spoon and go into 2025 with hope be it false or not that we will get better.

Lets beat the Knights, Souths and Parra and have the Bye to finish strong.
Don't get me wrong- it's better to win all the games.

But if we lose, it makes no real difference.

Id rather see the players compete, work hard, get a few things right & show some development than get results for the sake of results at this stage.

Obviously, different circumstances if we were pushing for Top 8 etc
 
And yet, I'd argue we are closer than ever to turning that around.
You can do that if it makes you feel better....but its bullshit.
I don't believe Tim Sheens was responsible for 3 spoons. I'd say the club decision to focus on development of juniors & remove overpriced players has resulted in 3 spoons, but brought us closer to success than at any time under Maguire.
Fundamentally incorrect.
Madge's results before Sheens arrived:
  • 2019 = 9th place
  • 2020 = 11th place
  • 2021 = 13th place
Since Sheens took over in 2022:
  • 2022 = Last place
  • 2023 = Last place
  • 2024 = Last place
Note, when Madge was removed in 2022 we were coming 13th.
Someone said earlier that it appears fans refuse to accept that changing the entire club culture isn't a quick fix. Richo I think has expediated the process by culling Bateman, Papali'i etc because it strips off the 'fat' & gets the squad clean & ready to improve.
How has the club culture been changed? Point out the areas that signal such advancement.
Sheens walked into a mess built by Maguire, Lee H, Pascoe, the board etc through a turnstyle of players & coaches from 2012 onwards. I'm not ABSOLVING Sheens for his recruitment of senior players not working out, but a clear message of development of young players- Da Silva, Galvin etc as examples- is producing higher quality players to choose from going forward.
Yes some good prospects but Id argue Sheens and co have brought them on way too fast and with exception of Galvin, all have struggled for form. Its unknown whether Madge would have done better but the bar isnt very high.
He clearly took some early bullets for Benji last year before getting unceremoniously pushed out, when the smart move would have been to let Sheens be that mentor/assistant coach/head of football that we all suggest Benji needs in his coaching staff. But alas, that wasn't the choice. And here we are.
It would have been smarter to leave Sheens in charge as Benji can clearly not coach at a first grade standard, Ill give you that. However Sheens cant coach either....not anymore.
3 spoons is a result of a culmination of mistakes. How it's been avoided until now is an achievement in itself. In the end, 17th, 14th, 9th....nobody cares.
Bullshit. It matters.
Make the playoffs. Everyone forgets the spoons.
Wrong. They are one of 4 finishes that are detailed as a record of each year. If you look up a summary of whatever season, you will be told who won the Minor Premiership, who the grand finalsits were and the resultant Premier and you will be told who won the spoon.
 
You can do that if it makes you feel better....but its bullshit.

Fundamentally incorrect.
Madge's results before Sheens arrived:
  • 2019 = 9th place
  • 2020 = 11th place
  • 2021 = 13th place
Since Sheens took over in 2022:
  • 2022 = Last place
  • 2023 = Last place
  • 2024 = Last place
Note, when Madge was removed in 2022 we were coming 13th.

How has the club culture been changed? Point out the areas that signal such advancement.

Yes some good prospects but Id argue Sheens and co have brought them on way too fast and with exception of Galvin, all have struggled for form. Its unknown whether Madge would have done better but the bar isnt very high.

It would have been smarter to leave Sheens in charge as Benji can clearly not coach at a first grade standard, Ill give you that. However Sheens cant coach either....not anymore.

Bullshit. It matters.

Wrong. They are one of 4 finishes that are detailed as a record of each year. If you look up a summary of whatever season, you will be told who won the Minor Premiership, who the grand finalsits were and the resultant Premier and you will be told who won the spoon.
What’s your point Tucker ? That we should have kept Madge ? Nope …..
as I’ve said before the issue wasn’t sacking Madge it was the lack of plan afterwards , and the listening to the biggest flog journo of all time in buzz . Seriously the only thing I’d listen to buzz about , is who was the best looking girl at stilettos … 👠
I don’t even think the Transition to Benji was a bad idea . We just needed someone who actually coach in 24 , to show him .
Madge had lost the dressing room . The culture is shit , was shit , and won’t stop being shit until we run the broom through anyone apart of the old culture .
But Madge wasn’t the answer … and I really really wanted him to be .
 
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What’s your point Tucker ? That we should have kept Madge ? Nope …..
as I’ve said before the issue wasn’t sacking Madge it was the lack of plan afterwards , and the listening to the biggest flog journo of all time in buzz . Seriously the only thing I’d listen to buzz about , is who was the best looking girl at stilettos … 👠
I don’t even think the Transition to Benji was a bad idea . We just needed someone who actually coach in 24 , to show him .
Madge had lost the dressing room . The culture is shit , was shit , and won’t stop being shit until we run the broom through anyone apart of the old culture .
But Madge wasn’t the answer … and I really really wanted him to be .
Im not saying he was the answer. Im commenting on the way this club does things.
I was one of the very few on here who was extremely worried about the appointment of Sheens. That was replaced with dismay at the way Madge was extended then shot in the head. That was displaced by anger at Sheens being annointed coach with Benji as a sidekick apprentice.
You get what you deserve.
 
You can do that if it makes you feel better....but its bullshit.

Fundamentally incorrect.
Madge's results before Sheens arrived:
  • 2019 = 9th place
  • 2020 = 11th place
  • 2021 = 13th place
Since Sheens took over in 2022:
  • 2022 = Last place
  • 2023 = Last place
  • 2024 = Last place
Note, when Madge was removed in 2022 we were coming 13th.

How has the club culture been changed? Point out the areas that signal such advancement.

Yes some good prospects but Id argue Sheens and co have brought them on way too fast and with exception of Galvin, all have struggled for form. Its unknown whether Madge would have done better but the bar isnt very high.

It would have been smarter to leave Sheens in charge as Benji can clearly not coach at a first grade standard, Ill give you that. However Sheens cant coach either....not anymore.

Bullshit. It matters.

Wrong. They are one of 4 finishes that are detailed as a record of each year. If you look up a summary of whatever season, you will be told who won the Minor Premiership, who the grand finalsits were and the resultant Premier and you will be told who won the spoon.

so they got worse every year under Maguire ?

The year he got the arse in 2022 he coached them to three wins..
 
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so they got worse every year under Maguire ?

The year he got the arse in 2022 he coached them to three wins..
Yes and the brains trust that got rid of him won 1 more game that year, securing the spoon.
So he scored 3/12 and they scored 1/12
 
Yes and the brains trust that got rid of him won 1 more game that year, securing the spoon.
So he scored 3/12 and they scored 1/12

that’s why the brains trust has gone too …years too late mind you …

I’m all for getting rid of football coaches that lose games BTW … Maguire had to go given the poor results, Sheens should never have been resurrected which he proved over the 12 months he was in the role.. and Benji has got about 10 games next year to turn things around or he’ll be out the door as well
 
that’s why the brains trust has gone too …years too late mind you …

I’m all for getting rid of football coaches that lose games BTW … Maguire had to go given the poor results, Sheens should never have been resurrected which he proved over the 12 months he was in the role.. and Benji has got about 10 games next year to turn things around or he’ll be out the door as well
Yeah Madge was not doing well but you dont replace an incumbant with no one. Its piss poor planning and like I said the guy that got rid of him performed worse with a better squad. His protege is even worse again.
 
Yeah Madge was not doing well but you dont replace an incumbant with no one. Its piss poor planning and like I said the guy that got rid of him performed worse with a better squad. His protege is even worse again.

I couldn’t agree with you more about the decision to hire Sheens as coach … it’s a poor decision made by idiots ..now gone …. Can’t turn back the clock though
 
Yeah Madge was not doing well but you dont replace an incumbant with no one. Its piss poor planning and like I said the guy that got rid of him performed worse with a better squad. His protege is even worse again.

It was a panic move.

Ciraldo wasn’t going to oust a coach so we punted Madge, Ciraldo didn’t sign on and the head honchos reacted to save face by bringing in legends of past success to save face.

It backfired and put us backwards significantly.

Anyway it’s like the crap people talk about re if only we signed xyz player. Reality is we didn’t and under the structure of the last 3yrs as if it would’ve moved the dial.

We need to move on, remember rash decisions, winging it and poor planning lead to terrible outcomes.

I do have faith in Richo, for him to totally transform this rabble it will take time and just hope our best kids don’t get sick of the struggles by then & walk out.
 
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