Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

Shoes said:
Interesting discussion! What would happen when they had the ball! Unlimited sets ( modern teams struggle to defend for 12 tackles) limited interchange, competitive scrums play the ball, 3 yard rule etc. I would be surprised if a 2024 side would cope- it is beyond their experience. The reverse would also be true.
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Also the modern side would have to work full day's all week then train, no pysio, no assistant coaches to pander to every need, etc, etc
 
Interesting discussion indeed.

I believe Penrith deserve all the success they have (despite us being dogged by Ivan) as they are losing players every year because of the salary cap and still manage to win, as opposed to Storm who never really accepted they were found cheating, kept the big three together (plus Bellamy) somehow and still claim those stripped titles like they deserved them.

Also [WARNING CONSPIRACY THEORY ALERT] it is interesting that since V'landys took over the NRL (end of 2019) we have had the most stable NRL tables in the modern era (ie. roughly the same teams at the top and same teams at the bottom). I won't name names but knowing some people heavily involved in the racing industry and with ties to the NRL chairman, there is a real incentive so to speak for the frontrunners to run front and the smokies to stay smoking. Betting agencies have a lot of weight in our game and we don't talk about it. Not saying they dictate results at all but it is an interesting coincidence that some in the industry talk about behind closed doors. [END CONSPIRACY THEORY]

Here's hoping next year we can prove this wrong and climb the ladder, get some more troops and push for a real run for the premiership in 2026.
 
Tucker said:
That record is tainted as they had no cap and loaded their sides with great players who were well trained under the unlimited tackle rules.
As soon as limited tackle sets began, their dominance was broken. They were also amateurs.
These Penrith and Melbourne outfits we’ve seen over the past 6 years would have consistently put 50 on them.
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There is no credible way to compare different eras.
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Tiger Tarl said:
Interesting discussion indeed.

I believe Penrith deserve all the success they have (despite us being dogged by Ivan) as they are losing players every year because of the salary cap and still manage to win, as opposed to Storm who never really accepted they were found cheating, kept the big three together (plus Bellamy) somehow and still claim those stripped titles like they deserved them.

Also [WARNING CONSPIRACY THEORY ALERT] it is interesting that since V'landys took over the NRL (end of 2019) we have had the most stable NRL tables in the modern era (ie. roughly the same teams at the top and same teams at the bottom). I won't name names but knowing some people heavily involved in the racing industry and with ties to the NRL chairman, there is a real incentive so to speak for the frontrunners to run front and the smokies to stay smoking. Betting agencies have a lot of weight in our game and we don't talk about it. Not saying they dictate results at all but it is an interesting coincidence that some in the industry talk about behind closed doors. [END CONSPIRACY THEORY]

Here's hoping next year we can prove this wrong and climb the ladder, get some more troops and push for a real run for the premiership in 2026.
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And since 2013 (12 seasons) only 3 sides have claimed the minor premiership, those being the ones who finished 1, 2 and 3 this year.
 
Sovereign Citizen said:
There is no credible way to compare different eras.
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Another dumb seppo name and idea
 
While the club actively pursues new targets & we get increasingly frustrated at missing out on name players- a question.

Given that we have announced that we are a 'development club'
Given that a large portion of our signed forwards are fresh out of junior teams or a year or so into their NRL career
Given that we have these guys currently under contract already
Given that the club has gone to lengths to say what great talent we have coming through the ranks..

Is signing 3-4 'name' players either admitting that the juniors are not good after all, or does signing multiple name players actually regress the development of the young talent coming through?

To put it another way- instead of signing players that are to become our stars- is the club better served getting players that provide culture, and let the juniors win starting roles (particularly in our forwards).

Fa'agutu, Kit Lualili'i, Sukkar, Johannssen, Pole, Miller, Matamua, Sam & Sione Fainu, Da Silva...

A couple of these guys already feature, obviously. Will the club get better signing a Kobe Hetherington, or better when Fa'agutu or Kit Lualili'i assume the #13 role?

Would the club be better served signing 2-3 guys that come from good systems, are known as good trainers & excellent professionals, to babysit the starting positions before naturally being replaced by the juniors?

I don't tend to look at guys on contract until we hear they are being moved, so just looking at the slim pickings available- the club could still add Ofahiki Ogden (Parramatta- former Bulldogs), Billy Burns (Sharks/Dragons history), Brodie Jones (Linked to Dolphins), Chris Lewis (Storm), Ativalu Lisati (Storm via Panthers), Jacob Alick-Wencke (Titans) & Joe Stimson (Titans)

All these guys could offer depth at the least. Ogden, Stimson & Burns might have a chance at playing. I quite like Alick-Wencke too. Jones is obviously pretty good, but not sure if that ship has sailed. The 2 Storm guys would be T&T I assume.

Of course, 2 or 3 former Tigers are also available. I'd put a line through Chee-Kam simply because his defence is awful. But- Matt Lodge on a friendly deal & Ben Murdoch-Massilla as an impact forward might actually have some value.
 
tigers4ever 0 said:
Not that I'd think you're a liar, but I had to double check that because I didn't believe it. That's a crazy fact though, that should really be "unbelievable" in the modern era.
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Its yet another highlight and example of how disgraceful the NRL is run.
Some of the rules surrounding the salary cap and also how the cap is enforced benefits the top teams and hinders the lower teams.

They have zero interest on the integrity of the game and only care about revenue.

The NRL as an organisation is ethically and morally criminal.
 
The Chad said:
While the club actively pursues new targets & we get increasingly frustrated at missing out on name players- a question.

Given that we have announced that we are a 'development club'
Given that a large portion of our signed forwards are fresh out of junior teams or a year or so into their NRL career
Given that we have these guys currently under contract already
Given that the club has gone to lengths to say what great talent we have coming through the ranks..

Is signing 3-4 'name' players either admitting that the juniors are not good after all, or does signing multiple name players actually regress the development of the young talent coming through?

To put it another way- instead of signing players that are to become our stars- is the club better served getting players that provide culture, and let the juniors win starting roles (particularly in our forwards).

Fa'agutu, Kit Lualili'i, Sukkar, Johannssen, Pole, Miller, Matamua, Sam & Sione Fainu, Da Silva...

A couple of these guys already feature, obviously. Will the club get better signing a Kobe Hetherington, or better when Fa'agutu or Kit Lualili'i assume the #13 role?

Would the club be better served signing 2-3 guys that come from good systems, are known as good trainers & excellent professionals, to babysit the starting positions before naturally being replaced by the juniors?

I don't tend to look at guys on contract until we hear they are being moved, so just looking at the slim pickings available- the club could still add Ofahiki Ogden (Parramatta- former Bulldogs), Billy Burns (Sharks/Dragons history), Brodie Jones (Linked to Dolphins), Chris Lewis (Storm), Ativalu Lisati (Storm via Panthers), Jacob Alick-Wencke (Titans) & Joe Stimson (Titans)

All these guys could offer depth at the least. Ogden, Stimson & Burns might have a chance at playing. I quite like Alick-Wencke too. Jones is obviously pretty good, but not sure if that ship has sailed. The 2 Storm guys would be T&T I assume.

Of course, 2 or 3 former Tigers are also available. I'd put a line through Chee-Kam simply because his defence is awful. But- Matt Lodge on a friendly deal & Ben Murdoch-Massilla as an impact forward might actually have some value.
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Balance
 
tiger_one said:
Massive that Penrith is going so well in a time when there's other formidable teams around too.

But let's not forget history, and the feat of the St George team that won ELEVEN consecutive grand finals - 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, and 1966.

Now THAT is some sort of miracle.
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IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT. 1956 - 1966
That was no miracle, no salary cap then, and unlimited tackles St george were the richest club in league, the league's club was nicknamed the TAJ MAHAL by most followers of the game, they had the greatest team, because they could get the greatest players and keep them.
 
king_sirro said:
Its yet another highlight and example of how disgraceful the NRL is run.
Some of the rules surrounding the salary cap and also how the cap is enforced benefits the top teams and hinders the lower teams.

They have zero interest on the integrity of the game and only care about revenue.

The NRL as an organisation is ethically and morally criminal.
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I probably wouldn't go as hard on the NRL as you but I would call them corrupt in the sense that they are aware of a problem and choose to do nothing about it. That's corruption. They are totally aware the same teams feature in the end of season games every year with the odd exception to show the mug punter there's "nothing to see here".

There are things they can be done.
  1. A lot of big competitions e.g NFL and AFL have drafts. NRL doesn't because the last time it was challenged, they lost. Guess what, enter into a bargaining agreement with players where the draft is not negotiable but pay the players a premium for accepting it.
  2. Ensure more transparency around the cap. Publish every players salary including TPAs as part of salary cup management. Show the punters that caps aren't being rorted.
  3. Adopt an ICAC-like approach to salary cap audits. Employ a totally independent audit group to conduct audits of every club every two years. Publish every audit result whether good, bad or indifferent. Punish major breaches seriously. Officials banned for life if knowingly entering into rorts. Clubs fined points for a period of years for major breaches e.g 8 points - enough to hurt them but not so much that they can't make the finals if they have a super year.
I'm sure there are better ideas than these but the NRL has to give us all confidence that the playing field is more even than it is today.

Having said all that, there is no excuse for a club like ours being as incompetent as we have been over many years. We haven't deserved success but I'd like to think if we get our act together, say like Penrith or Melbourne, we can compete with the better teams.
 
coivtny said:
I probably wouldn't go as hard on the NRL as you but I would call them corrupt in the sense that they are aware of a problem and choose to do nothing about it. That's corruption. They are totally aware the same teams feature in the end of season games every year with the odd exception to show the mug punter there's "nothing to see here".

There are things they can be done.
  1. A lot of big competitions e.g NFL and AFL have drafts. NRL doesn't because the last time it was challenged, they lost. Guess what, enter into a bargaining agreement with players where the draft is not negotiable but pay the players a premium for accepting it.
  2. Ensure more transparency around the cap. Publish every players salary including TPAs as part of salary cup management. Show the punters that caps aren't being rorted.
  3. Adopt an ICAC-like approach to salary cap audits. Employ a totally independent audit group to conduct audits of every club every two years. Publish every audit result whether good, bad or indifferent. Punish major breaches seriously. Officials banned for life if knowingly entering into rorts. Clubs fined points for a period of years for major breaches e.g 8 points - enough to hurt them but not so much that they can't make the finals if they have a super year.
I'm sure there are better ideas than these but the NRL has to give us all confidence that the playing field is more even than it is today.

Having said all that, there is no excuse for a club like ours being as incompetent as we have been over many years. We haven't deserved success but I'd like to think if we get our act together, say like Penrith or Melbourne, we can compete with the better teams.
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You called them corrupt, I actually think you went harder than me haha. I agree, it is corrupt
 
coivtny said:
I probably wouldn't go as hard on the NRL as you but I would call them corrupt in the sense that they are aware of a problem and choose to do nothing about it. That's corruption. They are totally aware the same teams feature in the end of season games every year with the odd exception to show the mug punter there's "nothing to see here".

There are things they can be done.
  1. A lot of big competitions e.g NFL and AFL have drafts. NRL doesn't because the last time it was challenged, they lost. Guess what, enter into a bargaining agreement with players where the draft is not negotiable but pay the players a premium for accepting it.
  2. Ensure more transparency around the cap. Publish every players salary including TPAs as part of salary cup management. Show the punters that caps aren't being rorted.
  3. Adopt an ICAC-like approach to salary cap audits. Employ a totally independent audit group to conduct audits of every club every two years. Publish every audit result whether good, bad or indifferent. Punish major breaches seriously. Officials banned for life if knowingly entering into rorts. Clubs fined points for a period of years for major breaches e.g 8 points - enough to hurt them but not so much that they can't make the finals if they have a super year.
I'm sure there are better ideas than these but the NRL has to give us all confidence that the playing field is more even than it is today.

Having said all that, there is no excuse for a club like ours being as incompetent as we have been over many years. We haven't deserved success but I'd like to think if we get our act together, say like Penrith or Melbourne, we can compete with the better teams.
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There’s a lot that can be copied from the NFL, so many great redemption stories each year. The Detroit Lions being one of the many current narratives that generate amazing interest in the sport.
 
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