OFFICIAL US election discussion

[jirskyr]

Are you concussed?

I quoted him. Verbatim. I didn't 'make' a damn thing.

That, and only that, is the most direct way to analyse someone's messaging. What they bloody well say.

You're off in the weeds, bud.

Also... still no critique of the Dems indiscretions for balance here.

You are making an argument to take Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon literally, on the things he's literally said? That's your best argument? Of all candidates on the planet, you want Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon to be taken at his word and judged on his literal words?

Do I even start to bother listing down all the stupid, racist, bonkers, sexist dangerous things Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has said?

re the Dems - all critiques are by comparison to his competition. If they were all felons, sexists, liars, adulterers then we could put that to the side and focus only on policy. And then I'd only critique Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon on his mental idea of deporting all illegals, or imposing brash tariffs. But you don't even need to get off the ground with the Dems, there is nobody on that team even close to the bottom like Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is.

You understand right, this is not a Dems vs Republicans thing. This is specifically about Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. I didn't really care if they elected either of the Bushes or Reagan, because even though I didn't agree on everything, those were reasonably honourable, reliable, admirable people. I could see the capacity for good leadership and good policy within the Republican movement.

Even when Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon won the first time I had some hope he'd do better than I thought, perhaps rise to the challenge and break out of the caricature he'd assumed for decades. But no, he has the depth of a puddle. He is exactly how he appears to be, he's proven it. So I don't need to bother revisiting Biden or Nancy Pelosi or Kamala Harris and critiquing the less positive aspects of their characters or stewardship, because Donald literally trumps them in an instant.

It's like you asking me to critique the dangers of a shark or a bunny rabbit. I don't need a detailed critique of the bunny rabbit to know it's the shark that we need to be worried about. But what I hear from you is someone with their back to the ocean, pointing at all the dangerous bunny rabbits on the hillside.

 

[Tucker]

can you get on J D Vance to win the 2028 election now

media and democrats tried to throw the kitchen sink at Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon,
Nothing they can say about J D Vance can be as bad ...

JD, Vivek, Tulsi...theres some talent there.
They could be in power for a while.

 

[Kelce68]

You are making an argument to take Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon literally, on the things he's literally said? That's your best argument? Of all candidates on the planet, you want Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon to be taken at his word and judged on his literal words?

Do I even start to bother listing down all the stupid, racist, bonkers, sexist dangerous things Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has said?

re the Dems - all critiques are by comparison to his competition. If they were all felons, sexists, liars, adulterers then we could put that to the side and focus only on policy. And then I'd only critique Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon on his mental idea of deporting all illegals, or imposing brash tariffs. But you don't even need to get off the ground with the Dems, there is nobody on that team even close to the bottom like Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is.

You understand right, this is not a Dems vs Republicans thing. This is specifically about Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. I didn't really care if they elected either of the Bushes or Reagan, because even though I didn't agree on everything, those were reasonably honourable, reliable, admirable people. I could see the capacity for good leadership and good policy within the Republican movement.

Even when Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon won the first time I had some hope he'd do better than I thought, perhaps rise to the challenge and break out of the caricature he'd assumed for decades. But no, he has the depth of a puddle. He is exactly how he appears to be, he's proven it. So I don't need to bother revisiting Biden or Nancy Pelosi or Kamala Harris and critiquing the less positive aspects of their characters or stewardship, because Donald literally trumps them in an instant.

It's like you asking me to critique the dangers of a shark or a bunny rabbit. I don't need a detailed critique of the bunny rabbit to know it's the shark that we need to be worried about. But what I hear from you is someone with their back to the ocean, pointing at all the dangerous bunny rabbits on the hillside.

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The US election is not a Dems vs Republicans thing.

Have a rest.

 

[jirskyr]

We may disagree, but I completely understand and agree with the 2nd part of your argument. I really dislike of the ultra-left and the way that the demonization has become part of the mantra for people who disagree with them. The youtube videos of the college kids arguing with Charlie Kirk was just cringe and anger inducing.

I personally think the "radical left" thing is overstated. I think cancel culture and other types of pile-on movements have had their peak. I believe they were a byproduct of the rise of social media, where certain minorities attempted to get very targeted take-downs via social media pressure.

Social media has gone beyond that now, it's a lot of noise and far less consensus. Very hard now to get someone cancelled when you can't even pin down someone like Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon.

We should all be wary of ultra rights and ultra lefts, but I believe the ultra lefts are a pretty fragmented non-aligned group, they don't carry much political power and nobody listens to shrieking any more.

It's already been proven anyway, if 50% of Americans will vote for Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon it tells you any type of woke messages just aren't cutting it. If The Voice cannot carry in Australia, it tells you most people here are quite centrist and really don't want to be "told what to do".

 

[jirskyr]

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The US election is not a Dems vs Republicans thing.

Have a rest.

I didn't say "the US election", I said "this" meaning my argument. I am not arguing for or against Democratic or Republican principles or policies, because you keep asking for my Democrats critique. I am arguing specifically against Donald Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon as the next president. Just one guy.

But - go back to the other bit, explain to me why we should be taking Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon literally, listening to his literal words and having less concern than for his opponent? Explain to me again how Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is completely innocent or unbound by the Jan 6 riots. Super keen to hear the spin.

 

[Kaito]

Polymarket is predicting:
78% chance of GOP winning the House of Reps
97% chance of the GOP winning the Senate
85% chance of the GOP winning the Presidency
Giving them control of the Executive and Legislative branches of Government

Albos about to go from being a 'valued
partner' to being a little serf again lmao

 

[jirskyr]

Clear mandate

If Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon wins and the next 4 years are a cluster eff for Americans, I wonder what they do next? Like what do they complain about next if their bastion for freedom and straight-talking can't make a positive difference?

Genuinely, if he wins and it turns out well for them, then so be it, I would be wrong about him. But considering a very reasonable chance it turns out badly, what do they do next?

 

[Betterdays22]

I didn't say "the US election", I said "this" meaning my argument. I am not arguing for or against Democratic or Republican principles or policies, because you keep asking for my Democrats critique. I am arguing specifically against Donald Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon as the next president. Just one guy.

But - go back to the other bit, explain to me why we should be taking Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon literally, listening to his literal words and having less concern than for his opponent? Explain to me again how Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is completely innocent or unbound by the Jan 6 riots. Super keen to hear the spin.

I think many would have voted Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon believing that a lot of what he says cannot be taken literally.

 

[BAGNF05]

I personally think the "radical left" thing is overstated. I think cancel culture and other types of pile-on movements have had their peak. I believe they were a byproduct of the rise of social media, where certain minorities attempted to get very targeted take-downs via social media pressure.

Social media has gone beyond that now, it's a lot of noise and far less consensus. Very hard now to get someone cancelled when you can't even pin down someone like Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon.

We should all be wary of ultra rights and ultra lefts, but I believe the ultra lefts are a pretty fragmented non-aligned group, they don't carry much political power and nobody listens to shrieking any more.

It's already been proven anyway, if 50% of Americans will vote for Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon it tells you any type of woke messages just aren't cutting it. If The Voice cannot carry in Australia, it tells you most people here are quite centrist and really don't want to be "told what to do".

Elections lately seem to be when most people get out and make their point that they’re sick of all the whingers.

 

[Kelce68]

I didn't say "the US election", I said "this" meaning my argument. I am not arguing for or against Democratic or Republican principles or policies, because you keep asking for my Democrats critique. I am arguing specifically against Donald Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon as the next president. Just one guy.

Yeh. And many of the things you've said are true.

As are many of the things you've said; overstated, hyperbolic and not balanced, ergo, the critiques you've levelled at Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, that are present with Harris or the Dems at large, have not been thrown at the other side.

If both sides engage in negative behaviour, it stands to reason that pointing out one side, without point out the other, is disingenuous.

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is an avatar for a greater sentiment felt in the US.

That is what people are voting for.

 

[TV Ted Ellery]

JD, Vivek, Tulsi...theres some talent there.
They could be in power for a while.

You're mad if you think the US would elect a Hindu as president. Until you live or spend substantial time in the US, you can't appreciate how embedded Christianity is in their culture. They're fanatical. Iran would sooner elect a Bahai as president.

 

[hammertime]

I personally think the "radical left" thing is overstated. I think cancel culture and other types of pile-on movements have had their peak. I believe they were a byproduct of the rise of social media, where certain minorities attempted to get very targeted take-downs via social media pressure.

Social media has gone beyond that now, it's a lot of noise and far less consensus. Very hard now to get someone cancelled when you can't even pin down someone like Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon.

We should all be wary of ultra rights and ultra lefts, but I believe the ultra lefts are a pretty fragmented non-aligned group, they don't carry much political power and nobody listens to shrieking any more.

It's already been proven anyway, if 50% of Americans will vote for Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon it tells you any type of woke messages just aren't cutting it. If The Voice cannot carry in Australia, it tells you most people here are quite centrist and really don't want to be "told what to do".

Yeah, but I think the far left seems to have a real ability to affect policy, whereas the same can't be said for the right. Really because of the difficult connotations that will typically get tagged to it, such as racism with immigration caps. By the way, deportation is a bloody dumb idea economically.

That last sentence sums it up. If it was a mccain or Romney type at the moment, I think they would romp it in. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is more of a negative to this than positive.

 

[jirskyr]

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is an avatar for a greater sentiment felt in the US.

That is what people are voting for.

On that I can agree, but I think it's a bad sentiment. I think they have tough times ahead.

 

[jirskyr]

Yeah, but I think the far left seems to have a real ability to affect policy, whereas the same can't be said for the right. Really because of the difficult connotations that will typically get tagged to it, such as racism with immigration caps. By the way, deportation is a bloody dumb idea economically.

That last sentence sums it up. If it was a mccain or Romney type at the moment, I think they would romp it in. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is more of a hinderance than solution.

I can't understand that argument, Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon stacked the Supreme Court and they've already overturned abortion and ruled on Presidential immunity. They have upheld gun laws. In quite a number of states they've introduced Bibles, abortion bans etc. The right wing folks are plenty capable of passing their agendas into policy, provided they have the weight of numbers, same as any political entity.

 

[Kelce68]

You're mad if you think the US would elect a Hindu as president. Until you live or spend substantial time in the US, you can't appreciate how embedded Christianity is in their culture. They're fanatical. Iran would sooner elect a Bahai as president.

Vivek is quite popular amongst Reps, who, traditionally, have a greater christian base than the Dems.

 

[Kelce68]

On that I can agree, but I think it's a bad sentiment. I think they have tough times ahead.

Fair enough, you're allowed to disagree. That's what makes democracy good.

 

[Tucker]

Albos about to go from being a 'valued
partner' to being a little serf again lmao

Now he will be firmly put back in his box and stop trying to be a global player.
He should have been turfed for that Voice garbage he dragged us all through.

 

[Betterdays22]

Vivek is quite popular amongst Reps, who, traditionally, have a greater christian base than the Dems.

Vivek does not win Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's battler votes. There is just no way.

 

[Kelce68]

Vivek does not win Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's battler votes. There is just no way.

I'm not saying he will. But that's a while away yet.

I think Tulsi is the hot pick if the Reps can get her across permanently.

Cleanskin, veteran, female running on the incumbent Republican ticket?

Would be a fair shot.

 

[Tucker]

You're mad if you think the US would elect a Hindu as president. Until you live or spend substantial time in the US, you can't appreciate how embedded Christianity is in their culture. They're fanatical. Iran would sooner elect a Bahai as president.

True, I havent spent any time living in the US.
The guy is very impressive though and a combo of Vance and he would scorch the next campaign.