OFFICIAL Wests Tigers Unite: Call to Arms

[Tigerdazz2]

We would be 4 time premiers instead of the Panthers if that was the case.

Only four? 😉

 

[cktiger]

Well as I said in my 1st post this evening I feel some of their concerns re the review are valid.......however it's too late for changes there....
They should proceed to administer the changes and look to imput their perspective on things later.

As for dyed in the wool Magpies Well they sure showed it by signing the renewal of the Wests Tigers licence for 10 years......funny way to be dyed in the wool Magpies.

You don’t think they had any other choice?

 

[Tigerdazz2]

What else is planned, other than a petition?

If the petition doesn't work maybe a mass march on Wests Ashfield and occupation of all the poker machines. They can't force you to leave a machine if you've signed in and have credit in the machine.....even if it's only $1.😂🤣

 

[Magpie_Magic]

You don’t think they had any other choice?

Balmains 10% ownership means they can veto any name, ownership or structural changes to the club...and vis versa.

Where is the evidence they tried to do otherwise...
...and why even mention a possibility of reversion to the magpies after just signing license renewal.

Anyway, covered it before.

 

[Tigerdazz2]

Sorry, I don't know them or you so I'd want to see conclusive evidence before I believe that for one moment and so should everyone else on this forum. What I can observe and believe is the Board has performed badly over quite a long period and action needs to be taken to correct this. I'd be happy for all Board members to be turned over and a majority independent Board to be established with governance arrangements that allow Board members to be replaced for poor performance.
Until there is firm evidence that Romero and Burgess are running an agenda seeking to return Wests Magpies to the NRL I choose not to believe it.

You'd seriously believe Romero & Burgess over Rick Wayde, Tony Andreacchio and David Gilbert??
🤔

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

Any ex Western Suburbs Magpie or ex Balmain Tigers supporters who don't fully embrace the joint venture 25 years after its inception are totally ignorant of or completely dismissive of the whole generation of supporters who have grown up supporting only the Wests Tigers who have none of the pre merger biases nor baggage burdening them.

These "first generation" Wests Tigers supporters are having kids of their own now, with many having very young and/or yet to be born Wests Tigers fans, products of this very first generation of Wests Tigers supporters.

Any divisiveness from the old brigade is disrespectful, unproductive and needs to be called out and stopped at ALL levels, by and from the Board & CEO, to the Football Club to the members & the fans.

Let this sink in our marquee man Luai was 1 yr old or there abouts when our inception came to be. He’s known nothing but the Wests Tigers, and we have a couple of muppets in the peanut gallery wishing for the good old days. They need help serious help.

 

[Tigerdazz2]

Tucker, with respect, because I do have respect for your opinion although I sometimes disagree with the way you express it. My one and only point was there is not a shred of hard evidence that Burgess or Romero are advocating a return of the Magpies to NRL level. Yes, they have power but, until there is proof that they are working to return the Magpies, they are in my opinion guilty of incompetence and shoring up their power base. Nothing more. That was my point and why I defended the Magpies. I'd like nothing more than to see them both moved on. If anyone has proof that are working on returning the Magpies to the NRL I'll be the first to acknowledge it.

There's also not a shred of evidence that the three directors (Wayde, Andreacchio & David Gilbert) did anything warranting their suspension from the board and their banning from any Holman-Barnes group premises.

However Burgess & Romero have treated them as they have been found guilty of breaches of the Boards constitution? 🤔

Innocent until proven guilty you say of accusations against Romero & Burgess who haven't shown the same ethos to the Directors they unilaterally suspended?

 

[Tigerdazz2]

But Go grew up in Rooty Hill?

And Wests are also inner city.

Point is 3 of the 4 chairs commissioned whilst WA/HBG had ownership were former Balmain fans possessing supposedly solid formal qualifications and business acumen showing the owners didn't appoint from a narrow former Magpies base and most of the issues occurred under their chairmanship.

I also grew up in Rooty Hill, Marina Go was a year ahead of me and was School Captain at Rooty Hill High.

Good old "Shaggers Ridge" who had the only licenced club that could rival Panthers at the time, good old Rooty Hill RSL & Resort!

It's called something else now (the RSL) and I was shocked the last time I went through there to show my kids where I grew up. I haven't lived there since 1998. It's lost its charm, it's character, it's soul.
Sadly, it doesn't feel like "home" to me anymore. The only places there that did where the two pubs, the Imperial & the old Namatjira Hotel (Now the Lone Pine or some other name.)

Like Western Suburbs Magpies are to me, just found memories not HOME anymore.

 

[Tigerdazz2]

It can’t be because someone called someone’s wife “darl” or an argument that had one director call another a “suck” or whatever . I mean that’s not even written warning worthy let alone lose your job worthy .
There was some reference to sexual misconduct though. I think it was on the westslife interview .

That complaint of sexual misconduct was actually brought up by Rick Wayde in the podcast. It seems it was someone who Romero & Burgess are protecting because the complaint & Rick Wayde's follow up of it was swept under the rug.

Just ANOTHER reason Romero, Burgess and the debenture system HAVE TO GO!!

 

[coivtny]

There's also not a shred of evidence that the three directors (Wayde, Andreacchio & David Gilbert) did anything warranting their suspension from the board and their banning from any Holman-Barnes group premises.

However Burgess & Romero have treated them as they have been found guilty of breaches of the Boards constitution? 🤔

Innocent until proven guilty you say of accusations against Romero & Burgess who haven't shown the same ethos to the Directors they unilaterally suspended?

I don’t support the action taken against these three. I’m a big fan of Rick Wayde because of past actions to save Wests and I think Dave Gilbert is probably the best equipped to be a Director of the whole lot of them. I’m not sure if you’re bagging me or Romero/Burgess. If it’s the latter, I don’t disagree with you. I just want evidence they’re guilty of trying to bring the Magpies back to the NRL.

 

[coivtny]

You'd seriously believe Romero & Burgess over Rick Wayde, Tony Andreacchio and David Gilbert??
🤔

Maybe I'm not across all the known facts but I've not heard either Wayde or Gilbert make claims about the terrible two wanting to restore the Magpies to the NRL. All I'm saying is I need more evidence to convict them of that. I'm happy to hang them out to dry on other matters, though. I support the petition which is the most important thing.

 

[hammertime]

Maybe I'm not across all the known facts but I've not heard either Wayde or Gilbert make claims about the terrible two wanting to restore the Magpies to the NRL. All I'm saying is I need more evidence to convict them of that. I'm happy to hang them out to dry on other matters, though. I support the petition which is the most important thing.

Wayde talked about it on the podcast. It has also been noted in SMH its been said to Stapleton. Wayde said there was 3 occasions, so he must have others who can verify.

Plenty of evidence if you got people on the stand.

 

[coivtny]

Wayde talked about it on the podcast. It has also been noted in SMH its been said to Stapleton. Wayde said there was 3 occasions, so he must have others who can verify.

Plenty of evidence if you got people on the stand.

Thanks for that. Wayde is honorable and therefore believable. It's funny, though, I asked Cochise on the forum yesterday what evidence existed and he said something along the lines that he trusted the people that told him it was true. Cochise is absolutely entitled to that position but I was looking for something a little more concrete.
No matter what, the Magpies are not coming back to the NRL. If Romero and Burgess are guilty of trying to make that happen I will condemn them as much as anyone. Until then, there is good enough reason to pursue them for other 'sins'.

 

[TigerJunior4]

Maybe I'm not across all the known facts but I've not heard either Wayde or Gilbert make claims about the terrible two wanting to restore the Magpies to the NRL. All I'm saying is I need more evidence to convict them of that. I'm happy to hang them out to dry on other matters, though. I support the petition which is the most important thing.

Hey mate Wayde made a public statement in the paper about Romero and Burgess trying to bring back the Magpies and he’s definitely stated it outright in a podcast recently.

I’ve just posted the link for reference.

 

[coivtny]

Hey mate Wayde made a public statement in the paper about Romero and Burgess trying to bring back the Magpies and he’s definitely stated it outright in a podcast recently.

I’ve just posted the link for reference.

Thank you TJ4. I appreciate you sourcing that for me and will definitely have a listen later today. Off to Yum Cha with the family shortly and that takes priority (the Yum Cha, not the family).
As I said in a response to another poster, I have high regard for Rick and believe him to be an honorable man.

 

[rex2ce]

It is untrue that Balmain have no power.

As you would know Balmains10% stake allows them total veto power on any name, structural or ownership changes.....so it's impossible for the so called Magpies die-hards to bring back the magpies without Balmain approval.

It's a furphy.

How would they do that without voting rights

 

[diedpretty]

You associated Parramatta's governance failures, illegalities re their salary cap issues with HBG.......hence your proposition to present the petition to Liquor and Gaming and the minister of Gaming.

What's the petition questioning?

Illegalities re structure?

Unconstitutional behaviour and compliance?

What is the purpose of the petition? Lack of compliance re governance?

What is implied or accused that you would ask the minister and Liquor and Gaming to act on?

Thats exactly the point i was trying to make. Dont get me wrong HBG has run WT in to the ground and there definitely needs to be a change. I just feel we are like Don Quixote pushing our ideals rather than looking at the practical considerations. The petition is trying to change the legal constitution of an organisation that has existed for 70 years with no real grounds as to why it should be changed other than one arm of the organisation (being WT) is broken and needs to be fixed. Every other aspect of the organisation and its constitution are working perfectly. HBG is expanding, making ongoing profits, giving back to the community.

The practicality is that WT needs to be a separate identity to HBG and not under the control of HBG. It needs an independent board that can not be overridden by HBG and WT members should have input in some way to that board. That was part of the review that was agreed on and now appears to have been put on the back burners. This is where the fight should be and where we should be focusing our anger and energy. The whole " bring back the magpies " is a red herring that is drawing our attention away from the real issue.

Having said all that i voted on the petition in the hope that maybe somehow HBG will be forced in to a position where they will follow through on their promise.

 

[supercoach]

Boardroom brawling is nothing new in rugby league. Parra’s board was a basket case for years with constant power struggles taking place. The Dogs have had more than a couple of flare ups, and both the Sharks and the Dragons have had internal stuff going on at board level in the past.

The one thing for certain is successful teams sort out their internal brawls and keep them in house

 

[Demps]

300 sigs in < 24 hours.

I know a lot of people read these threads who are not registered on the site.

This is a call to arms, for not just Tigers fans but ALL NRL fans.

Please sign the petition.
Let's get some much needed progress within a troubled club with a rich history that deserves a chance just like any other club.

 

[Lestronge]

Any ex Western Suburbs Magpie or ex Balmain Tigers supporters who don't fully embrace the joint venture 25 years after its inception are totally ignorant of or completely dismissive of the whole generation of supporters who have grown up supporting only the Wests Tigers who have none of the pre merger biases nor baggage burdening them.

These "first generation" Wests Tigers supporters are having kids of their own now, with many having very young and/or yet to be born Wests Tigers fans, products of this very first generation of Wests Tigers supporters.

Any divisiveness from the old brigade is disrespectful, unproductive and needs to be called out and stopped at ALL levels, by and from the Board & CEO, to the Football Club to the members & the fans.

It’s narcissism and falls in line with definitions of toxic fandom . “It’s my team” logic might be a way to galvanise people and bring them together , but it leads things like this where if it doesn’t exactly match what thier imaginary view of what a team is , then it can get abusive real quick .
In this case it’s an animal on the emblem . But it can also be players behaviour , on the field and off . The teams performance , even the amount of money that people are paid .. whatever can burst a persons bubble who has a toxic connection to the team . Then abuse . Stalking , trying to implement things that brings them joy but ruins the whole cub etc.
theyre all dot points on the same spectrum .
And to be fair we all are in that , hence the conversations on a forum about a footy team .