Of course not. You set the parameter of not coming last. I think both spoons were avoidable with better coaching, given the roster.
Ivan is a victim of his own success. You can’t lose great players year on year on year and still perform without it catching up to you. Additionally those who remain have played a lot more footy in the past 5 years than most guys in the NRL. They are weary and starting to breakdown. The next man up philosophy is still working, however that cupboard is also getting bare as great young backups have been forced out over the years, again due to the success of the club. All these factors weigh heavy and motivation/desire seems to be the area where they are suffering in.
Ivan is an excellent coach and I have no doubt he has identified this year as a rebuild. It’s likely Penrith will work in a cycle like the Roosters do I.e. a string of great years then an off year or two to recompose themselves before storming back.
I’ll put it to you…if the salary cap wasn’t an issue like several other big global sports, how long would this dynasty have lasted? You could put a team together of players forced out of that club over the past 4 years who would beat their current lineup. That’s a crazy situation that us Tigers supporters have never and likely will never experience. Trying to compare Cleary to Marshal is frankly a ridiculous thing to do.