OFFICIAL Lachlan Galvin #277 *Released* Career Discussion.

[weststigers]

Of course not. You set the parameter of not coming last. I think both spoons were avoidable with better coaching, given the roster.
Ivan is a victim of his own success. You can’t lose great players year on year on year and still perform without it catching up to you. Additionally those who remain have played a lot more footy in the past 5 years than most guys in the NRL. They are weary and starting to breakdown. The next man up philosophy is still working, however that cupboard is also getting bare as great young backups have been forced out over the years, again due to the success of the club. All these factors weigh heavy and motivation/desire seems to be the area where they are suffering in.
Ivan is an excellent coach and I have no doubt he has identified this year as a rebuild. It’s likely Penrith will work in a cycle like the Roosters do I.e. a string of great years then an off year or two to recompose themselves before storming back.
I’ll put it to you…if the salary cap wasn’t an issue like several other big global sports, how long would this dynasty have lasted? You could put a team together of players forced out of that club over the past 4 years who would beat their current lineup. That’s a crazy situation that us Tigers supporters have never and likely will never experience. Trying to compare Cleary to Marshal is frankly a ridiculous thing to do.

I'm not comparing Cleary and Marshall.

Simply pointing out the cattle you have available matters and no coach on the planet was going to get more out of us in 23, 24 than the spoon. In fact, you have pointed to that as a reason they are down the bottom. Tired cattle. We had shit cattle and we didn't have the best halfback in the world.

Even this year's Penrith squad is better than what we had available last year.

We've added a couple of decent players and even "useless" Benji, as you label him, can all of a sudden get some wins.

Don't misconstrue my point. This is directly related to me saying we didn't have the players to achieve better regardless of the coach and you saying that was a weak excuse.

This is not a Cleary vs Marshall comparison.

 

[weststigers]

Oh grow up.

"what's your assessment". Hey Ill take a spoon for 4 grand final wins.

Ivan and Penrith a burned out. It wouldn't even surprise me after origin if things change around and Penrith make the 8.

Yeah...so you're saying it's player related? That's my point. Whether they aren't good enough for first grade or burned out, players matter.

23 and 24, we didn't have the players. Anyone who thought we were a shot at the 8 in those years was in Disneyland.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Penrith still have a really good roster. But after 4 premierships, the hunger is eventually not going to be as ravenous. Not a really good example.

 

[Tom Shines]

Danny WeedKiller is a germ … I wish everyone treated him the same way Ben Teo did ..

 

[Canberratiger]

This is all so scripted that it makes me sick. They are flooding the press with articles so people get annoyed at hearing about it, leading to everyone just wanting him to leave asap. Then he goes to another club, has a sit down with Weidler and talks about how it was all a misunderstanding, he just loves playing footy, there's no hard feelings but he is in a good place now at the new club.

 

[diedpretty]

This is all so scripted that it makes me sick. They are flooding the press with articles so people get annoyed at hearing about it, leading to everyone just wanting him to leave asap. Then he goes to another club, has a sit down with Weidler and talks about how it was all a misunderstanding, he just loves playing footy, there's no hard feelings but he is in a good place now at the new club.

And how already he has learnt so much more that he never got at the tigers

 

[twentyforty]

I kinda though want some realism on Galvin...

I am not down with saying he is crap. He is only crap for leaving us and not giving the club a chance.

I am also not down with saying he is Amazing. We saw Bula at our club and the guy was crossing the line, scoring tries. Teddy got injured in his first year, second year it was clear he would be Amazing/special/etc.

The offers Parra and Bulldogs have presented, of 750k per year seem about right. A good player, a good player who probably wouldn't be at the same value as Munster, Cody Walker, Ezra Mam... but the next 5/8 behind them. I honestly don't see Ciraldo or Ryles coaching a better Galvin, we will see a 5/8 with the energy of a fullback that can read plays.

The guy will play Origin, but won't play for Australia unless there are injuries.

Do you think he will play 5/8? I think he’s going to dogs to play 7? Their current 7 is off contract this year and Burton sees himself as a running 5/8, while Galvin needs to touch the ball every 70 seconds to be in the game. If Bulldogs are still running their halfback clinic he could get fast tracked into 7?

 

[tigertuff]

Wherever he goes, let's just hope it turns to shit.

 

[Tucker]

In what fkn world would Galvin be called up into origin 2 camp?
The amount of jerking each other off in this circle is ridiculous

Now you understand how people felt when the majority of Wests Tigers fans were doing this as well?

 

[weststigers]

No other club is forced to give up its best young players as soon as they catch people's attention. Until the NRL acts to stop this kind of bastardry, the Tigers will only ever be a feeder club - basically a reserve club that's allowed to play in the top grade to give the lads experience before they go join a proper club.

I think the salary cap does that to a degree, but what the NRL haven't factored into the cap is the players wishes outside money and the facilities and resources each club can provide.

After the money, it boils down to resources. Coaching, stadiums, location, culture, playing group, training facilities etc.

We are offering bigger money (I'm talking Stef, Galvin and even Latrell), yet they go elsewhere for less.

If you compare it to a job offer for the same pay where one company is Google and the other is Mike's Computer Store. Even if Mike's tips in 10% more, you're probably picking Google 9 times out of 10.

The cap is overly simplified as being a level playing field based on salaries alone, yet teams like the Roosters have 5 origin players taking unders to play for them. Add Radley who is origin standard and that's 6. Ultimately, they play with a bigger cap, because it allows them to afford quality across the park.

Obviously, everyone knows Politis builds a Roosters network for life after footy and the guys get looked after for life. We can moan about it, but I actually know his wife and a few people very close to him. He is man that loves his team and takes care of those around him. We would do well to build our own business base of supporters to mimic what they are doing there. Who looks at Dennis Burgess and says wow! Now that club seems like a great place to spend my career for opportunities after footy!

The only answer is to get better.

 

[weststigers]

The 23 wooden spoon I blame mostly Sheens for us getting that one then I do Benji (although some criticism will go to both Benji and Farah since they were on the coaching staff). But I do think Sheens did a very poor job in coaching us for 2023 given the roster we had. The 2024 spoon does go to Benji but 2022 and 2023 I give to Sheens, he screwed us in 22 sacking Madge and appointing Kimmorley to take over that ultimately sealed it and 23 showed his best coaching days are passed it. If Benji does not have a great 2025 the question will be asked to keep him on, problem is though the cupboard is bare in terms of a good coach who’s available to replace him.

It doesn't matter who we blame. Wayne Bennett himself would have been flat out trying to get them off the bottom. We were fielding a reserve grade team sprinkled with a few promising rookies.

 

[Tucker]

The chances of him taking the deal were slim to none

People forget that Richo has involved in the game back when the super league war unfolded.

He's a smooth operator.

You did not think this way at all.
Its hillarious how many of you have become revisionist commentators on this issue.

 

[Tucker]

I think the salary cap does that to a degree, but what the NRL haven't factored into the cap is the players wishes outside money and the facilities and resources each club can provide.

After the money, it boils down to resources. Coaching, stadiums, location, culture, playing group, training facilities etc.

We are offering bigger money (I'm talking Stef, Galvin and even Latrell), yet they go elsewhere for less.

If you compare it to a job offer for the same pay where one company is Google and the other is Mike's Computer Store. Even if Mike's tips in 10% more, you're probably picking Google 9 times out of 10.

The cap is overly simplified as being a level playing field based on salaries alone, yet teams like the Roosters have 5 origin players taking unders to play for them. Add Radley who is origin standard and that's 6. Ultimately, they play with a bigger cap, because it allows them to afford quality across the park.

Obviously, everyone knows Politis builds a Roosters network for life after footy and the guys get looked after for life. We can moan about it, but I actually know his wife and a few people very close to him. He is man that loves his team and takes care of those around him. We would do well to build our own business base of supporters to mimic what they are doing there. Who looks at Dennis Burgess and says wow! Now that club seems like a great place to spend my career for opportunities after footy!

The only answer is to get better.

100%. Well said.

 

[twentyforty]

Yea, ah... you really expect Issac Moses to be serious and not play silly games?

I suspect the 165000 is the figure we need to land the next big fish we are chasing.

It’s $160,000 more than Tigers paid Eels for him in 2022. A profit not to be sneezed at. 😜

 

[Rock Hopper Steve]

This is all so scripted that it makes me sick. They are flooding the press with articles so people get annoyed at hearing about it, leading to everyone just wanting him to leave asap. Then he goes to another club, has a sit down with Weidler and talks about how it was all a misunderstanding, he just loves playing footy, there's no hard feelings but he is in a good place now at the new club.

Good insight, the forum brains trust can see straight through this A hole manager and his band of merry men before it even happens, some fluffy story related to the situation is sure to come out.

Just hope many other NRL fans can smell the rubbish coming from this managers camp and his hangers on.

 

[ancient_magpie]

I think the salary cap does that to a degree, but what the NRL haven't factored into the cap is the players wishes outside money and the facilities and resources each club can provide.

After the money, it boils down to resources. Coaching, stadiums, location, culture, playing group, training facilities etc.

We are offering bigger money (I'm talking Stef, Galvin and even Latrell), yet they go elsewhere for less.

If you compare it to a job offer for the same pay where one company is Google and the other is Mike's Computer Store. Even if Mike's tips in 10% more, you're probably picking Google 9 times out of 10.

The cap is overly simplified as being a level playing field based on salaries alone, yet teams like the Roosters have 5 origin players taking unders to play for them. Add Radley who is origin standard and that's 6. Ultimately, they play with a bigger cap, because it allows them to afford quality across the park.

Obviously, everyone knows Politis builds a Roosters network for life after footy and the guys get looked after for life. We can moan about it, but I actually know his wife and a few people very close to him. He is man that loves his team and takes care of those around him. We would do well to build our own business base of supporters to mimic what they are doing there. Who looks at Dennis Burgess and says wow! Now that club seems like a great place to spend my career for opportunities after footy!

The only answer is to get better.

The only answer is to find our own Politis

 

[weststigers]

Now you understand how people felt when the majority of Wests Tigers fans were doing this as well?

I said he wouldn't get a mill at another club and he wasn't worth that at this stage in his career and I was laughed at.

Lo and behold....750k offers.

There will be 16 clubs without Galvin and we will be one of them. However people assess his ability, in the cold light of day, a million bucks buys top established talent in the NRL.

 

[watersider]

Weidler has had a go at Moses in the past. Given that, his sympathy for Moses and Galvin means it's not too hard to see that the fact he backed Galvin and Moses from the start of all this suggests that the deal with the dogs has been done for a while. He's Gould's man.

You could see that in the way Gus talked about Galvin. It was the same sort of doublespeak when Cleary was our coach and he'd poached him from us and then came out with 'Id let Nathan go if he wanted to be coached by Ivan, you've got to respect family', and then it's announced that in fact Ivan is going to the panthers. He's clever, tactful and knows the media and players better than anyone in the game. And he eats our club for breakfast. You can see how brilliant he'd be in persuading a concerned family like Galvin's. Of course they'd want to go to him.

I'm surprised somehow luai and the fainus both chose us over them. Again, I am deeply uncertain about Benji as a coach, but I would guess in tribute to him, his ability to recruit top class talent is second to none at our club.

But anyway, so Weidler has his grudges and his favourites but above all he's Gould's dog. And Gould's dog has been defending Galvin from the start.

Gus is a brilliant club administrator, I'd love to have him at the club. But the way he controls media narrative through his dual roles to get benefits for his club is grossly problematic. He has a whole media network to spin what he wants. If he weren't so powerful, there's no way he would be allowed to do what he does. His words are toxic for us, the way he jabs and prods in sneaky doublespeak ways is brutally effective.

He wins again. His cheerleader, Weidler, is doing his little bit. Good boy, good boy.

 

[Tucker]

I said he wouldn't get a mill at another club and he wasn't worth that at this stage in his career and I was laughed at.

Lo and behold....750k offers.

There will be 16 clubs without Galvin and we will be one of them. However people assess his ability, in the cold light of day, a million bucks buys top established talent in the NRL.

People on here were demanding he got offered a million last year and over summer.
It was crazy then and thats been proven over the past month or so.
If he has been offered $800K from Parra, thats still a great payday well above his worth currently.

 

[weststigers]

The only answer is to find our own Politis

It's true, but Politis has also built what I can only term as "outside advisors". These are people who don't sit on the board, but have clout and are successful in their own right. When they talk, people listen.

He gets them in and around the team and they support in any way they can. We don't have that (like most clubs mind you). We need to be more commercial off the field.

The positives are, we have probably realised that. It's not easy to turn around the Titanic, but the COE is a good start. Upgrades to our stadiums will also help. From there we can start to bring people into the Tigers circle, but you're right, we need that mainstay individual who remains as a club figurehead to drive it all. Too many CEO, Chairman changes makes it hard to get continuity on a project like that.

I think Lee tries to be that guy, but he was a loudmouth and treated the club like his personal advertising space.