If him/his team telling the club they will go elsewhere if Api stays is classed as an ultimatum, then is it any different to Luai telling the Panthers he wanted to leave because he didn’t want to play second fiddle to Cleary? The Panthers have a lot of examples of players leaving the last few years to get better roles elsewhere. Hopgood and Iongi are two players who immediately come to mind. Was Iongi leaving considered a dummy spit cos he had Edwards in front of him? This sort of thing has been going on for 100 years, players leaving to get better opportunities elsewhere. And it’s usually clubs like ours who benefit, cos we are the sort of club those players come to.