It's time to take the fight back to HBG

[innsaneink]

I was chatting to my old man who couldn't care less about the footy these days; I think 89 broke him. But I started asking him what both of my late pops thought around the merger, specifically Wests Ashfield. One of my pops played for Wests in reserve grade and was magpies through and through.

He said that the sentiment from them both before they passed was that the club will never move forward whilst Wests Ashfield was involved.

Can some of the older heads give insights into the history of Wests Ashfield and why someone who bled for the club may have felt this way? What happened in the 80s and 90s? Prior even?

Lived 500m from the club as a kid
Much like it is today...back in the 70s...common sentimemt was the leagues club didnt give a crap about the footy club...the board was in it for themselves and the perks.the blazer brought
My dad hated them...but loved the Magpies

 

[balmain boy]

not unless they own them ..

Your funny 😂

I'm not sure you realise how stupid your'e coming across.

You appear to be suggesting that Wests Tigers owners, don't actually own anything.

In which case we could run off and do what we want. They own the clubs NRL licence. They can choose to sell that license if they wish, if they do they make money but lose control. The new owners could just do as they please, the license has clear stipulations on branding etc.

Russel Crowe bought Souths with Holmes' Court. If Crowe were to sell his 25% ownership stake they he purchased for $3 million, for say 30 million, he would keep the profits or be able to donate them to the club if he wanted. But it's his money.

There is nothing stopping Wests Ashfield from selling WT, other than their desire to do so. They don't want Wests Tigers. They don't even like Wests Tigers. They don't even really like footy.

It's possible a deal could be made, especially if pressure was placed on them and they were under heavy scrutiny.

Perhaps the NRL even have a duty of care to ensure their product is being managed responsibly. The worst owners in the comp only bring scrutiny upon themselves

 

[Vicious]

I'm not sure you realise how stupid your'e coming across.

You appear to be suggesting that Wests Tigers owners, don't actually own anything.

In which case we could run off and do what we want. They own the clubs NRL licence. They can choose to sell that license if they wish, if they do they make money but lose control. The new owners could just do as they please, the license has clear stipulations on branding etc.

Russel Crowe bought Souths with Holmes' Court. If Crowe were to sell his 25% ownership stake they he purchased for $3 million, for say 30 million, he would keep the profits or be able to donate them to the club if he wanted. But it's his money.

There is nothing stopping Wests Ashfield from selling WT, other than their desire to do so. They don't want Wests Tigers. They don't even like Wests Tigers. They don't even really like footy.

It's possible a deal could be made, especially if pressure was placed on them and they were under heavy scrutiny.

Perhaps the NRL even have a duty of care to ensure their product is being managed responsibly. The worst owners in the comp only bring scrutiny upon themselves

Is changing owners going to make Benji make better recruitment and retention decisions and better team selections ?

 

[mtd#2]

Is changing owners going to make Benji make better recruitment and retention decisions and better team selections ?

The proof is in the pudding.

You acknowledged earlier today that the HBG decision in December was the wrong one.

That decision halted the talks of Jarome removing his clauses, 4 months later he decided he was off to PNG. It delayed the signing of Bula; he looked at other clubs after December and we ended up paying him more than originally planned.

Whether you like Luai or not, its a marquee player we lost because of them.

Whether you like Bula or not, it's a player we are now paying more than originally planned. You are all about not paying overs too. My guess is the May brothers are also on overs now.

New owners don't come with the disruption of this lot. They can't even keep their own backyard in order with the turnover on their own board.

New owners bring more stability. More money. TPA's. KOE games before NRL games. All senior grades branded the Wests Tigers.

So yeah, the whole club becomes far more appealing and would increase the clubs ability to draw new players.

 

[Tom Shines]

I'm not sure you realise how stupid your'e coming across.

You appear to be suggesting that Wests Tigers owners, don't actually own anything.

I don’t think you realise how dumb you are coming across … it’s like you are trying to suggest that the people who will make the decision to sell the Wests Tigers …(HBG board ) will personally end up with the money from the sale… I will tell you once more that is not the case … the money from the sale would remain as cash on the company balance sheet and not be given to them personally …Russel Crowe’s situation is completely different ,… he personally owns a share of the club ,..

Given that they do not personally benefit from the sale ..I find it very hard to see them giving up the asset of the club unless made to by the NRL or possible the Govt … this is the point I clearly made hours ago,

I can’t believe I need to explain this to you In this seemingly obvious detail, …but you have come back 5 times now

 

[Tom Shines]

lol ..you think the money is getting put in their personal bank accounts ? What good to them is the money going to the club? I’m sure there is plenty already there .

Where exactly do you think the money goes?

Not in their pockets

Who's pockets?

You think people sell things and don't get to keep the money??

Crazy 😜

Supporting this club must be sending people around the bend …

 

[weststigers]

I'm not sure you realise how stupid your'e coming across.

You appear to be suggesting that Wests Tigers owners, don't actually own anything.

In which case we could run off and do what we want. They own the clubs NRL licence. They can choose to sell that license if they wish, if they do they make money but lose control. The new owners could just do as they please, the license has clear stipulations on branding etc.

Russel Crowe bought Souths with Holmes' Court. If Crowe were to sell his 25% ownership stake they he purchased for $3 million, for say 30 million, he would keep the profits or be able to donate them to the club if he wanted. But it's his money.

There is nothing stopping Wests Ashfield from selling WT, other than their desire to do so. They don't want Wests Tigers. They don't even like Wests Tigers. They don't even really like footy.

It's possible a deal could be made, especially if pressure was placed on them and they were under heavy scrutiny.

Perhaps the NRL even have a duty of care to ensure their product is being managed responsibly. The worst owners in the comp only bring scrutiny upon themselves

HBG is a not for profit members club, not a shareholder owned company. It has no shareholders to pay dividends to, so profits are reinvested into the club, sporting programs and community initiatives according to their constitution rather than distributed to private owners.

Even if they sold the club, the money doesn't go to any board members, however they do control where it is spent to an extent.

 

[Merlot]

I was chatting to my old man who couldn't care less about the footy these days; I think 89 broke him. But I started asking him what both of my late pops thought around the merger, specifically Wests Ashfield. One of my pops played for Wests in reserve grade and was magpies through and through.

He said that the sentiment from them both before they passed was that the club will never move forward whilst Wests Ashfield was involved.

Can some of the older heads give insights into the history of Wests Ashfield and why someone who bled for the club may have felt this way? What happened in the 80s and 90s? Prior even?

i tried to gather dirt , long story short , creepy GranPa didnt quiet understand , but he showed me receipts on his cash backs for greasing the wheels ,and laughed like a hyeana ,and snatched them back when he understood what i wanted them for - here ,blah blah , said he pumped in lots of money in the right circles with the club , they stopped showing him due respect, he put in complaint and now him and his wife have an 80% cash back on what up to 10 at a time spend 1's a month at the club , Told him to shut up before he dropped every 1 in it , is he willing to say all he said on this site - i will take him here there and now , and he went silly old man knows nothing ,just need the surface scratched , But its an open route in front of the in crowd

 

[Tom Shines]

The proof is in the pudding.

You acknowledged earlier today that the HBG decision in December was the wrong one.

That decision halted the talks of Jarome removing his clauses, 4 months later he decided he was off to PNG. It delayed the signing of Bula; he looked at other clubs after December and we ended up paying him more than originally planned.

The proof for me is in the results on the field ..

You know .. Im glad Luai is moving on early…I even wish it was the end of this season that we can make a clean break … next year it’s going to feel like he is haunting the place … really hope I’m wrong about this

 

[Merlot]

hbg doesn't respect the legacy its supposed to be up holding and cares nought about the modern game .They should cash out while they still have a chair at the able , or run the risk that their license will be revoked . PVL shuns drama ,but that can easily be lost (not really ) in the up coming new franchises media renewal , claims of another NZ side , NRL franchise renewals ,
Pressure will only be applied by a fan revolt , Buckle in kiddies for more of the same and no pudding until you swallow your groul. A quick restructure of how things are run just might put most of us out of our misery

 

[Tom Shines]

hbg doesn't respect the legacy its supposed to be up holding and cares nought about the modern game .They should cash out while they still have a chair at the able , or run the risk that their license will be revoked . PVL shuns drama ,but that can easily be lost (not really ) in the up coming new franchises media renewal , claims of another NZ side , NRL franchise renewals ,
Pressure will only be applied by a fan revolt , Buckle in kiddies for more of the same and no pudding until you swallow your groul. A quick restructure of how things are run just might put most of us out of our misery

Is PVL gonna force them to sell you think ? I doubt it .. too much other stuff going on

I was at the last fan revolt and that was back in December when the outrage was fresh… 8 months later I think we can say the results of that have been underwhelming… I don’t see much changing on that front

 

[Merlot]

Is PVL gonna force them to sell you think ? I doubt it .. too much other stuff going on

I was at the last fan revolt and that was back in December when the outrage was fresh… 8 months later I think we can say the results of that have been underwhelming… I don’t see much changing on that front

if it ever happened it would be silent and swift my right hand has its fingers crossed its sooner than later

 

[Tom Shines]

if it ever happened it would be silent and swift my right hand has its fingers crossed its sooner than later

I wouldn’t hate it … but I’m trying to keep my hopes a bit more modest … that seems to me about as unlikely as them winning a premiership anytime soon

 

[Merlot]

something needs to be done , apart from a few whoop eee"s across the decades ,being perenial loosers even before the race has started is getting boring

 

[Merlot]

I wouldn’t hate it … but I’m trying to keep my hopes a bit more modest … that seems to me about as unlikely as them winning a premiership anytime soon

Cochise knows the moves to be made to infiltrate covertly ,but thats a long game and it needs numbers to have effect

 

[Tom Shines]

Cochise knows the moves to be made to infiltrate covertly ,but thats a long game and it needs numbers to have effect

Never met him but saw him at that protest day in December and on a hundred podcasts ..seems a good guy but not sure what else he can do …

 

[Merlot]

Never met him but saw him at that protest day in December and on a hundred podcasts ..seems a good guy but not sure what else he can do …

next time ,give him a slap from me , lol .Its not on him to muster the maddening crowd .Us Australians are meek when it comes to a prolonged disputes with the overlords , we would rather get pissed around a bbq talking smack and have a quick sook with our mates and families for the weekend then drag ourselves out to dispute for a greater course ,
Maybe we should hire in the Farmers Union from Hungry to fire bomb the toll booths and give them strict instructions - no one shall pass

 

[Tom Shines]

next time ,give him a slap from me , lol .Its not on him to muster the maddening crowd .Us Australians are meek when it comes to a prolonged disputes with the overlords , we would rather get pissed around a bbq talking smack and have a quick sook with our mates and families for the weekend then drag ourselves out to dispute for a greater course ,
Maybe we should hire in the Farmers Union from Hungry to fire bomb the toll booths and give them strict instructions - no one shall pass

Is the company tnat owns your footy team your “overlord”…. 😂

 

[Merlot]

Is the company tnat owns your footy team your “overlord”…. 😂

its late , why are people so unkind, lol

 

[Merlot]

Is the company tnat owns your footy team your “overlord”…. 😂

the overlords tnat own my club , i shall not hear a bad word about , mmm pht pht pht or i will get viscious