Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

Lestronge said:
Wasn’t me who made those comparisons, a guy made a list saying all these players were better. I simply called out the ones I thought were laughable . And I brought up the confirmation bias and how annoying it is . “Im right because of my opinion . This is my opinion of the reason I’m right “ like seriously wtf!
I simply stated facts . The nrl has deemed KPP to be to the value of 550-650k . Which puts him in the probably 80th percentile , maybe higher .
People can once again convince themselves they’re right by making excuses like , “we were bidding against ourselves “ or whatever stupidity they want to come up with . In the end , the market dictated that he’s valuable . I personally value his skill set , but like others I hope he can improve his explosiveness off the mark .
It’s really annoying seeing the same people always bag our signings no matter what quality they are , constantly being contrarians .especially when I know most of these lounge chair experts have never laced a boot on in their life , been around a club , coached , or done anything really other than voyeur a game from the comfort of their lounge for X amount of years .
KPP is a great signing. Strong defensively , stands in tackles , has gravitational force on the field - what do I mean by that . He attracts players and demands respect . Some players simply don’t have that . Seyfarth is one of those players . Most of our edge backrowers have been that way . Even Ice , the opposition didn’t respect him like we all thought they would . Probably because the guys outside him were shit , so they knew where ball was going , but still . KPP has that gravitational force on the field . In fact most of that right edge does. Turuva/Skelton/Makasini , Makasini/May/Toa, KPP, and whichever of AD and Fainu, with Bula out the back . Each player should create space for the next . Which we haven’t had for years , as teams can ignore 1 or more attacking threat and slide or jam up on the ones who are.
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A bit to unpack here.
As for the supposed confirmation bias. I am stating what evidence shapes my opinion. I think this is very logical to do in a discussion and not sure why you found it so annoying aside from it being a retort to your comment. You have essentially done the same thing by referencing market values in your argument.
Taking Chunk's one comment, without considering any of his previous comments in the discussion, then you are indeed 100% correct that KPP is better than the few players you mentioned.
However with additional consideration given to his earlier comments, especially given his initial statement was along the lines of our forward pack is a concern as we have no-one of the quality of of the many players on show during these rep games then I think his comments are fair enough and why I think comparing KPP to the hookers playing not a fair comparison. Even more so when a lot of people don't include the hooker when discussing the 'pack' since they've started to refer to them as a member the 'spine'.
As for KPP as a signing. That wasn't part of any of the discussion. He is a good player with the potential to be much better than he has shown thus far in a position we desperately needed. I think he is on a fair salary for what he has shown thus far as well. I think it is an excellent signing for a club in our position. As I said that wasn't the discussion and I see only one backrower from the rep teams mentioned whom I believe KPP is a better player than.
Finally, as for the same people criticising all our signings. I assume you mean me and/or chunk. I don't know Chunk's opinion on most of our signings (or his credentials), I don't typically pay much attention to user names when reading unless I think something is very insightful (Jolls as an example) or very stupid (plenty of examples but I won't name them). To be fair to you I have criticised some of our signings, either the player (Olam, Bird) or the value (Turuva, Sullivan). I have spoken glowingly of some signings (Skelton, Hunt whom I have since been unimpressed by) and been rather neutral on some (Luai doesn't have 1.2m of value in him but is the circuit breaker we needed).
 
Camel2281 said:
When he was out, we couldn't score points and looked horrible. When he came back we started to string some performances and points again. It's not rocket science what the difference was
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It's pace and skill. We don't have much. So attack is pedestrian when our faster players are unavailable.
 
Lestronge said:
More of the same ? Re. The same design ? Or the new designs are very meh ?
I don’t get it really. Some of the fan designs are really creative and really sleek and minimal but hit the point. I know there’s design rules stipulated by the nrl , but the colours lend themselves to all kinds of unique and awesome jersey. I mean , there’s only so much you can do with sky blue and white . For example .
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You could burn it for one.
 
KCtiger said:
What harsh reality?
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We have a large number of supporters on this forum who believe our backline meaning our 1-7 are genuine top 8 quality and it’s only our forwards that let us down and prevent us from making the top 8.
This is incorrect as our forwards are closer to top 8 quality than what our backline is.
In saying this we still need to improve our forwards and should be looking to recruit to make it better quality, but if we do not also realise our backline is not up to top 8 standard we will be banging our heads against the wall no matter how good our forward pack is.
 
Vicious said:
We have a large number of supporters on this forum who believe our backline meaning our 1-7 are genuine top 8 quality and it’s only our forwards that let us down and prevent us from making the top 8.
This is incorrect as our forwards are closer to top 8 quality than what our backline is.
In saying this we still need to improve our forwards and should be looking to recruit to make it better quality, but if we do not also realise our backline is not up to top 8 standard we will be banging our heads against the wall no matter how good our forward pack is.
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What’s wrong with our 1-5 other then maybe Skelton (he’ll be replaced with Makasini eventually)

It’s more of the 6-7 that concerns me
 
Wezt said:
What’s wrong with our 1-5 other then maybe Skelton (he’ll be replaced with Makasini eventually)

It’s more of the 6-7 that concerns me
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How many of our 1-5 make the teams we oppose on a weekly basis ?
Taylan May helps as he would make quite a lot of the teams we oppose, but if we are being serious and take off our rose coloured glasses, the others would only make the starting line up of a handful of the teams we oppose and that’s being generous.
 
Camel2281 said:
When he was out, we couldn't score points and looked horrible. When he came back we started to string some performances and points again. It's not rocket science what the difference was
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Can't argue with that.

We are definitely a better team with him in it but he is still a long way off being a $800 - $900k full back.

His attack has improved to some extent but still a long way off being what you would even consider to be elite or among the top group of full backs, but what I find to be the most disappointing is how his defence, which was what he was lauded for on debut in the NRL has really dropped off to the point where it is really disappointing at times.
 
Vicious said:
How many of our 1-5 make the teams we oppose on a weekly basis ?
Taylan May helps as he would make quite a lot of the teams we oppose, but if we are being serious and take off our rose coloured glasses, the others would only make the starting line up of a handful of the teams we oppose and that’s being generous.
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Bula is being courted by the Bulldogs who are a top 4 side

Taylan May would make 80% of sides

Turuva has won 2 premierships with the Panthers, would easily find another club
 
Vicious said:
We have a large number of supporters on this forum who believe our backline meaning our 1-7 are genuine top 8 quality and it’s only our forwards that let us down and prevent us from making the top 8.
This is incorrect as our forwards are closer to top 8 quality than what our backline is.
In saying this we still need to improve our forwards and should be looking to recruit to make it better quality, but if we do not also realise our backline is not up to top 8 standard we will be banging our heads against the wall no matter how good our forward pack is.
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Nobody thought that this backline was top 8 quality in 2005 either:

Hodgson
Fitzhenry
Whatuira
Elford
Richards
Marshall
Prince

I personally got the shits on the old forum that Whatuira was our only signing for 2005 - after the 2004 season had been underwhelming....

I was wrong...

Give the process a chance and trust that Richo knows better than the previous dolts - AND that we have a coach who is invested in the club & looking to build long term success.
 
Lestronge said:
More of the same ? Re. The same design ? Or the new designs are very meh ?
I don’t get it really. Some of the fan designs are really creative and really sleek and minimal but hit the point. I know there’s design rules stipulated by the nrl , but the colours lend themselves to all kinds of unique and awesome jersey. I mean , there’s only so much you can do with sky blue and white . For example .
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Nothings happening on Friday

Friday week however is jersey day

I agree we have great colours to work with, and I dont mind our blokes in orange but I wont wear Orange (need a new jacket)
 
Snidest 0 said:
Nobody thought that this backline was top 8 quality in 2005 either:

Hodgson
Fitzhenry
Whatuira
Elford
Richards
Marshall
Prince

I personally got the shits on the old forum that Whatuira was our only signing for 2005 - after the 2004 season had been underwhelming....

I was wrong...

Give the process a chance and trust that Richo knows better than the previous dolts - AND that we have a coach who is invested in the club & looking to build long term success.
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You are not seriously comparing Hodgson to Bula or Marshall/Prince to Luai ?
It is very hard to judge different players from different eras, but our 2005 marquee players were genuine marquee players that didn’t need their forward pack to be overly dominant to be able to impose themselves and win games for their team.
 
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