HBG, Independent Directors Sacked

The comment that @Suzie-Q shared wasn’t anything out of the ordinary. They’re a dime a dozen. Could only imagine the waffle that’s being said in their FB group. However, they have zero influence. They certainly don’t warrant getting triggered over. I’m more inclined to laugh at them. The chest beating they do regarding the Magpies being owners, having all the power and Balmian having nothing is all a front. The reality is it burns a hole in them that the Magpies don’t receive more recognition. To them, that is everything. They talk a big game, but they are insecure as hell.
 
If you try and argue someone’s point, try to shame them, they’ll only double down and you won’t get anywhere. If you meet them with mockery though, that will get a different response. Nobody likes being made to feel they are being made a fool out of.
 
Jim Halpert said:
Not every comment that doesn't agree with your viewpoint is an attack.
Are you not open to dissenting opinions?
Earlier you dragged me into this argument again by saying I wanted you removed as a moderator, despite the fact that I had said that wasn't true, I just disagreed with your validation of personal insults.

I'll add to that your "liking" of a poster making light of animal cruelty, which was just a touch deplorable.

As humans we are all subject to and should welcome constructive criticism and try to control our automatic reaction, which is to be defensive.

I'll say it again as you chose to ignore it previously, but I consider that you generally do a good job as a moderator. Maybe take a lesson from Demps and be more circumspect in your comments and posts you choose to like.
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Man, I cringe when you chime in with your whiny posts, what animal cruelty are you referring to, my post was not one of reality about the young magpie.

Dude, you missed your calling, you should of became a priest you give an excellent sermon.
 
GNR4LIFE said:
The comment that @Suzie-Q shared wasn’t anything out of the ordinary. They’re a dime a dozen. Could only imagine the waffle that’s being said in their FB group. However, they have zero influence. They certainly don’t warrant getting triggered over. I’m more inclined to laugh at them. The chest beating they do regarding the Magpies being owners, having all the power and Balmian having nothing is all a front. The reality is it burns a hole in them that the Magpies don’t receive more recognition. To them, that is everything. They talk a big game, but they are insecure as hell.
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Pretty sure a couple of weeks ago some posters from here were treated to vile and threatening posts by the magpie FB low lives, mild compared to anything that gets thrown up on here.
 
Rock Hopper Steve said:
Man, I cringe when you chime in with your whiny posts, what animal cruelty are you referring to, my post was not one of reality about the young magpie.

Dude, you missed your calling, you should of became a priest you give an excellent sermon.
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I did say light hearted. I presume you don't really intend to smash a baby magpie with a broom hopefully.
But if you don't get that joking about animal cruelty isn't on, then I don't know what to tell you.
 
Bus 2 Terrigal said:
Yeah deadly serious.
This has nothing to do with "the actions of either foundation club"

If your post had been offered up by a Magpies official (like Fallah, Epifania, Luibinskas, Cavanagh etc), or someone of note within the game - then sure it would have been a valid post.

But you picked an offhanded comment by some keyboard nufty as if that somehow represents the Western Subs. club. It was capital "T' tabloid.
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Ahh weren't you the guy who focussed on the couple of randoms who wore Balmain jerseys at what was clearly pro WTs rally ...
 
mtd#2 said:
Question 1:
Who was the one man who sacked all 4 independent directors? It wasn't one man...

Question 2:
Did the HBG board vote and pass the motion to sack the directors? Yes

As to whether these peolple speak for the organisation, let's look at the definition of their job title:

- The CEO is the highest ranking executive employee of the group and his role is to execute the strategy set by the board. His comments and actions speak for the entire organisation, that is literally what he is there to do..

- The directors role is to represent its members.. Their entire role to speak on behalf of the members...

Question 3:
So are you suggesting that the HBG CEO and board do not represent its members?

There is no way you can answer this post directly... Doing so means you will have to admit there is an issue with the HBG leadership and board. Can you bring yourself to do that?
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Hey @Vicious have you had a chance to think about this yet? I am genuinely interested in your response.
 
GNR4LIFE said:
I don’t think that stops you from seeing his posts. I don’t agree with much he says, but I don’t think anything he says is grounds for permanent banning either. I think those sorts of bans should be in place for excessive abuse and/or threats. Not for someone who’s a windbag. He’s very easy to just either put on ignore or skip his posts entirely.
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Agree, if someone is putting forward an opinion, no matter how disagreeable than they should not be banned for that...if they are being abusive, racist, intolerant...than punt them for good. Whilst I vehemently disagree with some posters views on HBG and the politics of the WT, i still appreciate their views in other areas.
 
FacePalm said:
They've controlled the JV since 2015 (apart from the past 2 seasons). 5x Wests Ashfield/Magpies directors vs 2x independents + 1x Balmain. They've always had the controlling block, and it's because of them the reserve grade team is called Western Suburbs Magpies, and not Wests Tigers.

What the supporters of HBG/Magpies know, and the actual facts, appear far removed for most of them.
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You're right but you're wrong.
The prevailing feeling is that the Magpies were too passive in their ownership.
This time around there's a different attitude intent on stamping the Magpies ownership on the club.
The first symbolic step was the football staff meeting the Wests Ashfield staff, which had never happened previously.
They'll never admit it but having the team run around in what is basically a Balmain jersey in '26 was seen as Richo and mates giving the owners the middle finger.
It was by all measures a terrible misjudgement.
 
Bus 2 Terrigal said:
You betcha.
There was no point in posting beyond firing up the anti-Western Subs. faction

Surely, given the tragic week we have all endured - unnecessarily inflaming the mob is worth avoiding.
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No.

It was to bring attention to the anti-Wests Tigers faction that exists that gets so fired up unless people want to turn WT into the Magpies.

You should be ashamed of yourself using a tragedy like what happened in Bondi to make a weak point about stirring up fan division.

Get a clue mate.
 
Jim Halpert said:
You're right but you're wrong.
The prevailing feeling is that the Magpies were too passive in their ownership.
This time around there's a different attitude intent on stamping the Magpies ownership on the club.
The first symbolic step was the football staff meeting the Wests Ashfield staff, which had never happened previously.
They'll never admit it but having the team run around in what is basically a Balmain jersey in '26 was seen as Richo and mates giving the owners the middle finger.
It was by all measures a terrible misjudgement.
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For someone who is not in the know, you seem to be privy to stuff that only someone in the know would know.
 
Jim Halpert said:
I did say light hearted. I presume you don't really intend to smash a baby magpie with a broom hopefully.
But if you don't get that joking about animal cruelty isn't on, then I don't know what to tell you.
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What's next you're going to get upset because I like to find, catch, clean and eat fish, bloody Norah.
 
weststigers said:
They didn't put any money in. Not one of those guys has any financial stake in the club.

They are a non-profit licensed club owned by members.

Why do you persist with this narrative?

If they were privately owned, ala Russell Crowe and Souths, I'd be the first to agree with you.

This is not ownership. This is a protection racket on power and control.
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He said HBG have put money in not the individual debenture holders and only a fool would argue that that is not the case.
 
Vicious said:
Not your I’m more focused on what a good job Shaun Mielenkamp is doing.
A CEO who communicates what is happening, what a breath of fresh air,
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When this whole thing kicked off, you painted this picture of yourself as being "open minded". Here I am trying to engage with you, also with an open mind.. and every time I ask you direct questions, you refuse to answer them

You keep saying that the voices of a few within HBG don't represent the entire organisation... So I gave you the definition of what the role of a CEO and role of a director are.

So I will ask you again...

Are you of the opinion that the HBG CEO and board do not represent its members?

Because the HBG board are the ones who voted the independent board members out...

A follow up question is - if they don't represent the best interest of the JV/hBg, then who are the people that do represent HBG? Are they simply not in power?

I Understand you have the most open mind here and are open to discussion, so I appreciate you will not avoid the questions I have posed.

Thank you in advance..
 
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liltiger said:
Of the money being put in HBG only put in about less than 10% of the money annually. If HBG put in 1.2 million a year and the N.R.L throw in 13.5 million a year then the N.R.L would be over 90% owners like H.B.G keep saying and could do as they wish as majority owner. Other thing is in the big scheme of things HBG and all other owners throughout our history have left us massively underfunded. There are clubs who spend more than 1.2 million just in their scouting and youth systems.
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that is ridiculous - the NRL fund all the clubs the same amount so by your logic they are the majority owner seperately of all 17 clubs. Over the last 3 financial reports HBG have funded Wests Tigers $5 mil in total, Wests Magpies $750k and Balmain RL $500k. How about you give us a list of the amounts the owners of each club is funding on top of the NRL grant - I bet you can't but you are happy to throw some media BS about what clubs are putting in.
 
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