Actions speak louder than words - Is it corruption or favouritism ? To the NRL, please explain what's going on !!!

[hank37w]

He "100% wants to play"

'100%': Mitchell wants in for Origin - but ban looms as hip drop drama sours Souths' win over Parra

The NRL’s hip drop drama has gone into overdrive with Latrell Mitchell binned in Souths’ 42-26 win over Parramatta – while Joe Ofahengaue was…

www.theroar.com.au

Which makes his non selection even sweeter, for me at least.

 

[Lauren]

EXPLAINER

'Not all hip drops are the same': How officials decide what action to take​

Brad Walter NRL Senior Reporter Mon 27 May 2024, 06:40 PM

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NRL GM of football Graham Annesley has confirmed that Wests Tigers prop David Klemmer should have been sinbinned during last Friday night’s clash with the Cowboys as he outlined how match officials determine the course of action to take for hip drops.
Klemmer, who has accepted a three-match suspension after being charged with Grade 2 Dangerous Contact, was placed on report, whereas Cowboys centre Val Holmes was sin-binned in the same game.

Rabbitohs star Latrell Mitchell questioned referee Chris Butler after he was sinbinned for a hip drop in Saturday night’s match against the Eels but Parramatta forward Joe Ofahengaue was placed on report.

"It's important to look at these hip drop tackles in detail" - Annesley

"It's important to look at these hip drop tackles in detail" - Annesley
Holmes and Mitchell were charged with Grade 1 Dangerous Contact, while Ofahengaue wasn’t charged as he avoided landing on the leg of Sean Keppie – a fact Butler explained to Mitchell after the Bunker had reviewed the incident.

“I think one of the real problems with hip drops at the moment is that people see a hip drop, or what they think is a hip drop, or a hip drop action, and they will say, ‘the last one was a sin bin, why isn’t this a sin bin’,” Annesley said.

“Yet the reality is that it's no different to high tackles. Everyone accepts that there are varying degrees of response to high tackles, so if a player gets another player high and it's a relatively light, low level of force, the referee will place a player on report.

Holmes and Mitchell were charged with Grade 1 Dangerous Contact, while Ofahengaue wasn’t charged as he avoided landing on the leg of Sean Keppie – a fact Butler explained to Mitchell after the Bunker had reviewed the incident.

“I think one of the real problems with hip drops at the moment is that people see a hip drop, or what they think is a hip drop, or a hip drop action, and they will say, ‘the last one was a sin bin, why isn’t this a sin bin’,” Annesley said.

“Yet the reality is that it's no different to high tackles. Everyone accepts that there are varying degrees of response to high tackles, so if a player gets another player high and it's a relatively light, low level of force, the referee will place a player on report.

“In more serious cases, a player will be sent to the sin bin and in extreme cases, a player will be sent off.”

Annesley said there were four categories of assessment that take place by match officials immediately after an incident.

No action

• match officials determined that contact was incidental or accidental
• low level of force
• low risk of injury
• other mitigating factors

Penalty or player placed on the report:

• careless
• relatively low force
• relatively low risk of injury
• other mitigating factors

Penalty or player placed on the report:

• careless
• relatively low force
• relatively low risk of injury
• other mitigating factors

Sin Bin

• high degree of carelessness or reckless
• moderate to high force
• moderate to high risk of injury
• no mitigating factors

Send off

• highly reckless or intentional
• very high level of force
• high risk of injury
• no mitigating factors.

"Not all incidents are the same, not all incidents are treated the same and we will get these variations on outcomes,” Annesley said at his weekly media briefing.

“The match officials won't always be right in how they apply their judgment in determining that outcome.”

As an example, Annesley said Klemmer should have been sin binned for his hip drop on Cowboys forward Kulikefu Finefeuiaki.

However, he may have been allowed to stay on the field because the incident wasn’t detected until after North Queensland had scored a try.

“The fact that the game continued on and points were scored, and then the incident was placed on the report, does not prevent the match officials from sending a player to the sin bin,” Annesley said.

“It doesn't have to be a sin bin immediately it takes place, so even though the game went on and we came back to place the player on report, at that point he could have still been sent to the sin bin and, in my view, he should have been in this case.”

In comparison, Annesley said there had been mitigating circumstances in the tackle by Holmes that left Wests Tigers second-rower Isaiah Papali’i with an ankle injury as team-mate Tom Dearden had also been involved and his weight pushed him down.

“Not that Tom's done anything wrong here, but in terms of mitigating factors in favour of Valentine Holmes, the impact of Tom Dearden is significant,” Annesley said.

“In the view of the Match Review Committee, this is still a dangerous tackle with a dangerous outcome but there are mitigating factors in relation to the involvement of Tom Dearden.

“The key point is where does the body weight land, and it lands directly on the foot or the lower limb.

"That's the reason why that was a sin bin, the reason why it was charged by the match review committee and it's also the reason why it was only a Grade 1."

'Not all hip drops are the same': How officials decide what action to take

NRL GM of football Graham Annesley has confirmed that Wests Tigers prop David Klemmer should have been sinbinned during last Friday night’s clash with the Cowboys as he outlined how match officials determine the course of action to take for hip drops.

www.nrl.com

Videos for those interested:

Three Elements of a hip drop

Graham Annesley talks through the three indicators that the NRL use to define a hip drop

www.nrl.com

"There are mitigating factors in every hip drop" - Annesley

Graham Annesley explains the Match Review Committees decisions on grading of hip drops from the Wests Tigers match against the Cowboys

www.nrl.com

 

[Stevec]

Klemmer gets 3 weeks.

Makes us 18 players suspended or fined.

7 more than any other club.

And by the way, I watched the match live on telly, also a replay and still have not found a replay of Klemmers HIP Drop.
Can anyone that saw it let me know in

You have clearly never played the game at any decent level.

I spent the last few days venting about all this !
I'm convinced we are treated more harshly than the glamour clubs
You have shown we have 18 players sanctioned next most 11 players
If we just compare total weeks suspended eg Sezer 4 + Klemmer 3 + Galvin 2 + Papalii 1 + Olam 1 + Naden ? ++ whoever I'm sure it maybe looks worse but whatever this is the one that affects on field performance because we really lack quality depth
Everyone fit and free to play we can probably put a strong 13 on the park with maybe a slightly weaker bench .but take 2 or 3 out each week and we are picking some who are just not NRL standard . We are just not fashionable .Just listen to the fox commentators and panels like 360 .
My comments are directed at the MRC and Judiciary not the on field refs who make a lot of howlers but I think these affect all clubs off and on !

 

[tigerjoe 0]

EXPLAINER

'Not all hip drops are the same': How officials decide what action to take​

Brad Walter NRL Senior Reporter Mon 27 May 2024, 06:40 PM

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NRL GM of football Graham Annesley has confirmed that Wests Tigers prop David Klemmer should have been sinbinned during last Friday night’s clash with the Cowboys as he outlined how match officials determine the course of action to take for hip drops.
Klemmer, who has accepted a three-match suspension after being charged with Grade 2 Dangerous Contact, was placed on report, whereas Cowboys centre Val Holmes was sin-binned in the same game.

Rabbitohs star Latrell Mitchell questioned referee Chris Butler after he was sinbinned for a hip drop in Saturday night’s match against the Eels but Parramatta forward Joe Ofahengaue was placed on report.

"It's important to look at these hip drop tackles in detail" - Annesley

"It's important to look at these hip drop tackles in detail" - Annesley
Holmes and Mitchell were charged with Grade 1 Dangerous Contact, while Ofahengaue wasn’t charged as he avoided landing on the leg of Sean Keppie – a fact Butler explained to Mitchell after the Bunker had reviewed the incident.

“I think one of the real problems with hip drops at the moment is that people see a hip drop, or what they think is a hip drop, or a hip drop action, and they will say, ‘the last one was a sin bin, why isn’t this a sin bin’,” Annesley said.

“Yet the reality is that it's no different to high tackles. Everyone accepts that there are varying degrees of response to high tackles, so if a player gets another player high and it's a relatively light, low level of force, the referee will place a player on report.

Holmes and Mitchell were charged with Grade 1 Dangerous Contact, while Ofahengaue wasn’t charged as he avoided landing on the leg of Sean Keppie – a fact Butler explained to Mitchell after the Bunker had reviewed the incident.

“I think one of the real problems with hip drops at the moment is that people see a hip drop, or what they think is a hip drop, or a hip drop action, and they will say, ‘the last one was a sin bin, why isn’t this a sin bin’,” Annesley said.

“Yet the reality is that it's no different to high tackles. Everyone accepts that there are varying degrees of response to high tackles, so if a player gets another player high and it's a relatively light, low level of force, the referee will place a player on report.

“In more serious cases, a player will be sent to the sin bin and in extreme cases, a player will be sent off.”

Annesley said there were four categories of assessment that take place by match officials immediately after an incident.

No action

• match officials determined that contact was incidental or accidental
• low level of force
• low risk of injury
• other mitigating factors

Penalty or player placed on the report:

• careless
• relatively low force
• relatively low risk of injury
• other mitigating factors

Penalty or player placed on the report:

• careless
• relatively low force
• relatively low risk of injury
• other mitigating factors

Sin Bin

• high degree of carelessness or reckless
• moderate to high force
• moderate to high risk of injury
• no mitigating factors

Send off

• highly reckless or intentional
• very high level of force
• high risk of injury
• no mitigating factors.

"Not all incidents are the same, not all incidents are treated the same and we will get these variations on outcomes,” Annesley said at his weekly media briefing.

“The match officials won't always be right in how they apply their judgment in determining that outcome.”

As an example, Annesley said Klemmer should have been sin binned for his hip drop on Cowboys forward Kulikefu Finefeuiaki.

However, he may have been allowed to stay on the field because the incident wasn’t detected until after North Queensland had scored a try.

“The fact that the game continued on and points were scored, and then the incident was placed on the report, does not prevent the match officials from sending a player to the sin bin,” Annesley said.

“It doesn't have to be a sin bin immediately it takes place, so even though the game went on and we came back to place the player on report, at that point he could have still been sent to the sin bin and, in my view, he should have been in this case.”

In comparison, Annesley said there had been mitigating circumstances in the tackle by Holmes that left Wests Tigers second-rower Isaiah Papali’i with an ankle injury as team-mate Tom Dearden had also been involved and his weight pushed him down.

“Not that Tom's done anything wrong here, but in terms of mitigating factors in favour of Valentine Holmes, the impact of Tom Dearden is significant,” Annesley said.

“In the view of the Match Review Committee, this is still a dangerous tackle with a dangerous outcome but there are mitigating factors in relation to the involvement of Tom Dearden.

“The key point is where does the body weight land, and it lands directly on the foot or the lower limb.

"That's the reason why that was a sin bin, the reason why it was charged by the match review committee and it's also the reason why it was only a Grade 1."

'Not all hip drops are the same': How officials decide what action to take

NRL GM of football Graham Annesley has confirmed that Wests Tigers prop David Klemmer should have been sinbinned during last Friday night’s clash with the Cowboys as he outlined how match officials determine the course of action to take for hip drops.

www.nrl.com

"There are mitigating factors in every hip drop" - Annesley

Graham Annesley explains the Match Review Committees decisions on grading of hip drops from the Wests Tigers match against the Cowboys

www.nrl.com

Funny no mention of twals impact on tackle. WTF

 

[gregjm87]

Funny no mention of twals impact on tackle. WTF

What role did twal play in Klemmers action?

 

[Tiger Tarl]

EXPLAINER

'Not all hip drops are the same': How officials decide what action to take​

Brad Walter NRL Senior Reporter Mon 27 May 2024, 06:40 PM

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NRL GM of football Graham Annesley has confirmed that Wests Tigers prop David Klemmer should have been sinbinned during last Friday night’s clash with the Cowboys as he outlined how match officials determine the course of action to take for hip drops.
Klemmer, who has accepted a three-match suspension after being charged with Grade 2 Dangerous Contact, was placed on report, whereas Cowboys centre Val Holmes was sin-binned in the same game.

Rabbitohs star Latrell Mitchell questioned referee Chris Butler after he was sinbinned for a hip drop in Saturday night’s match against the Eels but Parramatta forward Joe Ofahengaue was placed on report.

"It's important to look at these hip drop tackles in detail" - Annesley

"It's important to look at these hip drop tackles in detail" - Annesley
Holmes and Mitchell were charged with Grade 1 Dangerous Contact, while Ofahengaue wasn’t charged as he avoided landing on the leg of Sean Keppie – a fact Butler explained to Mitchell after the Bunker had reviewed the incident.

“I think one of the real problems with hip drops at the moment is that people see a hip drop, or what they think is a hip drop, or a hip drop action, and they will say, ‘the last one was a sin bin, why isn’t this a sin bin’,” Annesley said.

“Yet the reality is that it's no different to high tackles. Everyone accepts that there are varying degrees of response to high tackles, so if a player gets another player high and it's a relatively light, low level of force, the referee will place a player on report.

Holmes and Mitchell were charged with Grade 1 Dangerous Contact, while Ofahengaue wasn’t charged as he avoided landing on the leg of Sean Keppie – a fact Butler explained to Mitchell after the Bunker had reviewed the incident.

“I think one of the real problems with hip drops at the moment is that people see a hip drop, or what they think is a hip drop, or a hip drop action, and they will say, ‘the last one was a sin bin, why isn’t this a sin bin’,” Annesley said.

“Yet the reality is that it's no different to high tackles. Everyone accepts that there are varying degrees of response to high tackles, so if a player gets another player high and it's a relatively light, low level of force, the referee will place a player on report.

“In more serious cases, a player will be sent to the sin bin and in extreme cases, a player will be sent off.”

Annesley said there were four categories of assessment that take place by match officials immediately after an incident.

No action

• match officials determined that contact was incidental or accidental
• low level of force
• low risk of injury
• other mitigating factors

Penalty or player placed on the report:

• careless
• relatively low force
• relatively low risk of injury
• other mitigating factors

Penalty or player placed on the report:

• careless
• relatively low force
• relatively low risk of injury
• other mitigating factors

Sin Bin

• high degree of carelessness or reckless
• moderate to high force
• moderate to high risk of injury
• no mitigating factors

Send off

• highly reckless or intentional
• very high level of force
• high risk of injury
• no mitigating factors.

"Not all incidents are the same, not all incidents are treated the same and we will get these variations on outcomes,” Annesley said at his weekly media briefing.

“The match officials won't always be right in how they apply their judgment in determining that outcome.”

As an example, Annesley said Klemmer should have been sin binned for his hip drop on Cowboys forward Kulikefu Finefeuiaki.

However, he may have been allowed to stay on the field because the incident wasn’t detected until after North Queensland had scored a try.

“The fact that the game continued on and points were scored, and then the incident was placed on the report, does not prevent the match officials from sending a player to the sin bin,” Annesley said.

“It doesn't have to be a sin bin immediately it takes place, so even though the game went on and we came back to place the player on report, at that point he could have still been sent to the sin bin and, in my view, he should have been in this case.”

In comparison, Annesley said there had been mitigating circumstances in the tackle by Holmes that left Wests Tigers second-rower Isaiah Papali’i with an ankle injury as team-mate Tom Dearden had also been involved and his weight pushed him down.

“Not that Tom's done anything wrong here, but in terms of mitigating factors in favour of Valentine Holmes, the impact of Tom Dearden is significant,” Annesley said.

“In the view of the Match Review Committee, this is still a dangerous tackle with a dangerous outcome but there are mitigating factors in relation to the involvement of Tom Dearden.

“The key point is where does the body weight land, and it lands directly on the foot or the lower limb.

"That's the reason why that was a sin bin, the reason why it was charged by the match review committee and it's also the reason why it was only a Grade 1."

'Not all hip drops are the same': How officials decide what action to take

NRL GM of football Graham Annesley has confirmed that Wests Tigers prop David Klemmer should have been sinbinned during last Friday night’s clash with the Cowboys as he outlined how match officials determine the course of action to take for hip drops.

www.nrl.com

"There are mitigating factors in every hip drop" - Annesley​

Graham Annesley explains the Match Review Committees decisions on grading of hip drops from the Wests Tigers match against the Cowboys

"There are mitigating factors in every hip drop" - Annesley

Graham Annesley explains the Match Review Committees decisions on grading of hip drops from the Wests Tigers match against the Cowboys

www.nrl.com

You cut out the part where they look at the jersey colours before making their decisions.

 

[Needaname]

What a load of triple , do u really know what ur going on about , so a player making a tackle goes oh I will do this or I will do that , it’s done in a split second and there under fatig

Obviously you didn’t read or watch Daly Cherry Evans explain his decision making to the judiciary about his lifting tackle during the split second he had whilst under fatigued in the moment.

 

[Needaname]

What role did twal play in Klemmers action?

Whilst Klemmer was standing trying to pull the cowboys player to the ground Twal bumped him causing Klemmer to flip over.
Very similar to the Holmes tackle only that both Klemmer and Twal were more stationary before the ‘hip drop’ occured.

 

[watersider]

The reason we are committing this offence more than other teams is we are terrible at tackling. Most of the time we are pushed back in tackles leaving our markers scrambling and the opposition on the front foot. Our defenders then get exposed 1 on 1 and desperately lunge at the attacking player. We end up in hip drop situations, trying desperately to stop their progress.

Our physicality is so poor. During the Dragons game their wingers were running over the top of our props and forwards, even when we had the defensive line set and numbers in the tackle. Our forwards have no pride. It is so humiliating to watch them be so soft. I reckon James Tamou must be the tackling coach, everyone is so gentle.

Unfortunately all our suspensions have looked bad and worthy of suspension. I don't know about other teams and what they get away with, but we need to fix our pathetic tackling to avoid this.

 

[Dennisspicer1]

Again another one.

Make an example of the
West tigers.
How many times does our team cop the shit again,
and time again.

The explanation by annerslie of two hip drops was a load of bullshit.
The Val Homes one was basically an accident by him because Deardon swung around forcing Holmes down on Papali's ankle, so no suspension only a fine.
But the Klemmer one was different. ???

If you look at both of these incidents, you see big similarities, Twal over the top of Klemmer forcing him down onto player being tackled, when they hit the ground Twal was actually on top of Klemmer, but the next morning it was already known that Klemmer was going to cop 3 weeks. And Holmes a fine.

And they reckon we are not persecuted by referees.

Or the NRL. ????

 

[innsaneink]

EXPLAINER

'Not all hip drops are the same': How officials decide what action to take​

Brad Walter NRL Senior Reporter Mon 27 May 2024, 06:40 PM

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NRL GM of football Graham Annesley has confirmed that Wests Tigers prop David Klemmer should have been sinbinned during last Friday night’s clash with the Cowboys as he outlined how match officials determine the course of action to take for hip drops.
Klemmer, who has accepted a three-match suspension after being charged with Grade 2 Dangerous Contact, was placed on report, whereas Cowboys centre Val Holmes was sin-binned in the same game.

Rabbitohs star Latrell Mitchell questioned referee Chris Butler after he was sinbinned for a hip drop in Saturday night’s match against the Eels but Parramatta forward Joe Ofahengaue was placed on report.

"It's important to look at these hip drop tackles in detail" - Annesley

"It's important to look at these hip drop tackles in detail" - Annesley
Holmes and Mitchell were charged with Grade 1 Dangerous Contact, while Ofahengaue wasn’t charged as he avoided landing on the leg of Sean Keppie – a fact Butler explained to Mitchell after the Bunker had reviewed the incident.

“I think one of the real problems with hip drops at the moment is that people see a hip drop, or what they think is a hip drop, or a hip drop action, and they will say, ‘the last one was a sin bin, why isn’t this a sin bin’,” Annesley said.

“Yet the reality is that it's no different to high tackles. Everyone accepts that there are varying degrees of response to high tackles, so if a player gets another player high and it's a relatively light, low level of force, the referee will place a player on report.

Holmes and Mitchell were charged with Grade 1 Dangerous Contact, while Ofahengaue wasn’t charged as he avoided landing on the leg of Sean Keppie – a fact Butler explained to Mitchell after the Bunker had reviewed the incident.

“I think one of the real problems with hip drops at the moment is that people see a hip drop, or what they think is a hip drop, or a hip drop action, and they will say, ‘the last one was a sin bin, why isn’t this a sin bin’,” Annesley said.

“Yet the reality is that it's no different to high tackles. Everyone accepts that there are varying degrees of response to high tackles, so if a player gets another player high and it's a relatively light, low level of force, the referee will place a player on report.

“In more serious cases, a player will be sent to the sin bin and in extreme cases, a player will be sent off.”

Annesley said there were four categories of assessment that take place by match officials immediately after an incident.

No action

• match officials determined that contact was incidental or accidental
• low level of force
• low risk of injury
• other mitigating factors

Penalty or player placed on the report:

• careless
• relatively low force
• relatively low risk of injury
• other mitigating factors

Penalty or player placed on the report:

• careless
• relatively low force
• relatively low risk of injury
• other mitigating factors

Sin Bin

• high degree of carelessness or reckless
• moderate to high force
• moderate to high risk of injury
• no mitigating factors

Send off

• highly reckless or intentional
• very high level of force
• high risk of injury
• no mitigating factors.

"Not all incidents are the same, not all incidents are treated the same and we will get these variations on outcomes,” Annesley said at his weekly media briefing.

“The match officials won't always be right in how they apply their judgment in determining that outcome.”

As an example, Annesley said Klemmer should have been sin binned for his hip drop on Cowboys forward Kulikefu Finefeuiaki.

However, he may have been allowed to stay on the field because the incident wasn’t detected until after North Queensland had scored a try.

“The fact that the game continued on and points were scored, and then the incident was placed on the report, does not prevent the match officials from sending a player to the sin bin,” Annesley said.

“It doesn't have to be a sin bin immediately it takes place, so even though the game went on and we came back to place the player on report, at that point he could have still been sent to the sin bin and, in my view, he should have been in this case.”

In comparison, Annesley said there had been mitigating circumstances in the tackle by Holmes that left Wests Tigers second-rower Isaiah Papali’i with an ankle injury as team-mate Tom Dearden had also been involved and his weight pushed him down.

“Not that Tom's done anything wrong here, but in terms of mitigating factors in favour of Valentine Holmes, the impact of Tom Dearden is significant,” Annesley said.

“In the view of the Match Review Committee, this is still a dangerous tackle with a dangerous outcome but there are mitigating factors in relation to the involvement of Tom Dearden.

“The key point is where does the body weight land, and it lands directly on the foot or the lower limb.

"That's the reason why that was a sin bin, the reason why it was charged by the match review committee and it's also the reason why it was only a Grade 1."

'Not all hip drops are the same': How officials decide what action to take

NRL GM of football Graham Annesley has confirmed that Wests Tigers prop David Klemmer should have been sinbinned during last Friday night’s clash with the Cowboys as he outlined how match officials determine the course of action to take for hip drops.

www.nrl.com

Videos for those interested:

Three Elements of a hip drop

Graham Annesley talks through the three indicators that the NRL use to define a hip drop

www.nrl.com

"There are mitigating factors in every hip drop" - Annesley

Graham Annesley explains the Match Review Committees decisions on grading of hip drops from the Wests Tigers match against the Cowboys

www.nrl.com

Yeah glad we cleared that up.
This game has gone down the shutter and wtf would anyone even bother trying to make head or tails of all that BS above.
It's all a lottery at the time imo... Keep changing the rules NRL, it's one way to keep the punters in the dark but the truth is we know you don't have an fn clue

 

[innsaneink]

The reason we are committing this offence more than other teams is we are terrible at tackling. Most of the time we are pushed back in tackles leaving our markers scrambling and the opposition on the front foot. Our defenders then get exposed 1 on 1 and desperately lunge at the attacking player. We end up in hip drop situations, trying desperately to stop their progress.

Our physicality is so poor. During the Dragons game their wingers were running over the top of our props and forwards, even when we had the defensive line set and numbers in the tackle. Our forwards have no pride. It is so humiliating to watch them be so soft. I reckon James Tamou must be the tackling coach, everyone is so gentle.

Unfortunately all our suspensions have looked bad and worthy of suspension. I don't know about other teams and what they get away with, but we need to fix our pathetic tackling to avoid this.

Fantastic post
Losing the Ruck leaving our defenders one on one (us on the back foot against aan attacker with a full body of momentum and yes... This is a classic hop drop scenario I can see it in my mind right now.
God what I'd give for us to be able to attack with our defense like Manly do... It's inspiring and wins games

 

[TrueTiger]

I loved Benji as a player....but as many have said brilliant players rarely make great coaches...

OUR PROBLEM IS ....WE ARE POORLY COACHED....

We have youth and experience in this side,the older guys have been in NRL and International sides for ages,the younger ones are supposedly the cream of their crop...

But we play like a wooden spoon side that has no clue about NRL...

THATS ON COACHING....good luck old boys club.....

 

[innsaneink]

I loved Benji as a player....but as many have said brilliant players rarely make great coaches...

OUR PROBLEM IS ....WE ARE POORLY COACHED....

We have youth and experience in this side,the older guys have been in NRL and International sides for ages,the younger ones are supposedly the cream of their crop...

But we play like a wooden spoon side that has no clue about NRL...

THATS ON COACHING....good luck old boys club.....

I'd say Madge and Sheens had a bit of a clue between them... Ones coaching origin the other has been in charge of the roos
I think "we are poorly coached" is a bit simplistic... You are correct,. But there's much much more to it than that... Don't ask me what it is tho

 

[innsaneink]

Galvin did not interfere with the ball whatsoever after the Sullivan kick resulting in the Bula try. You think the bunker was on our side this time?.. Nah mate.
Favouritsm will always exist where there is a (are) human brain(s) involved in decision-making unless we use artificial intelligence for a change.

It doesnt matter if he interfere with the ball or not... Imo he was within the 10m and therefore
offside

 

[weststigers]

Whilst Klemmer was standing trying to pull the cowboys player to the ground Twal bumped him causing Klemmer to flip over.
Very similar to the Holmes tackle only that both Klemmer and Twal were more stationary before the ‘hip drop’ occured.

I think he needs to let go if he feels he's losing his feet. At least thats what the NRL might say. Of course you can't do that in every situation.

My question to the NRL is...they have told us what is illegal, but they can't tell the players the correct thing to have done in that situation...are we saying that incidental parts of the game are penalised without an alternative behaviour to effect the tackle?

Say you can only grab the hips in a 1 on 1...what's a player supposed to do? Let the attacker stroll through so as to avoid this hip drop?

Why can't the NRL consult independent coaches to supply clubs and players with the correct technique to go with the new rule? Am I being utopian?

 

[Stevec]

I think all this talk about this hip drop and that hip drop is just smoke and mirrors with the powers to be trying to justify obvious anomalies .
The biggest sanction this year ( excl non match issues eg Leinu ) is 4 matches for Sezer
This was officially deemed "not a hip drop but dangerous )
Point is I don't accept all this waffle about who bumped who and were legs already on ground .I believe we are copping a harsher MRC who seem to go easy on the top clubs
I also believe our rookie coach and staff are reluctant to rock the boat and as such we have challenged NOTHING .
Just like our team during matches they do not put up much of a defence

 

[Dennisspicer1]

I think he needs to let go if he feels he's losing his feet. At least thats what the NRL might say. Of course you can't do that in every situation.

My question to the NRL is...they have told us what is illegal, but they can't tell the players the correct thing to have done in that situation...are we saying that incidental parts of the game are penalised without an alternative behaviour to effect the tackle?

Say you can only grab the hips in a 1 on 1...what's a player supposed to do? Let the attacker stroll through so as to avoid this hip drop?

Why can't the NRL consult independent coaches to supply clubs and players with the correct technique to go with the new rule? Am I being utopian?

Yes totally agree,
And if Holmes was playing for West Tigers and he did that Hipdrop tackle he did.
Does anybody believe he would get off with just a fine,
No, he would get three weeks.

And I really think it's getting to the stage where the NRL will outlaw any tackles below the hip.
Tackles will be OK from hip up to shoulders.
Neck & head, hips and legs totally protected.
Then we start supporting NETBALL.

 

[weststigers]

Yes totally agree,
And if Holmes was playing for West Tigers and he did that Hipdrop tackle he did.
Does anybody believe he would get off with just a fine,
No, he would get three weeks.

And I really think it's getting to the stage where the NRL will outlaw any tackles below the hip.
Tackles will be OK from hip up to shoulders.
Neck & head, hips and legs totally protected.
Then we start supporting NETBALL.

I think comments like this show that the fans have become quite cynical about the rules on the matter.

The punishments handed out are akin to intentional foul play, when most of these tackles, if not all, are totally accidental or incidental in the moment.

Let's take 2 examples. When Tino broke Apis jaw...it was pretty clear he did that intentionally. Looked at him, raised his elbows and pushed forward forcefully. That was deemed accidental and incidental. No suspension despite it being very dangerous as evidenced by the injury sustained.

Now we have this hip drop drama where accidental, yet dangerous actions are punished severely, albeit inconsistently.

If we are going to punish things that are not intentional, yet dangerous, why does Tino get a free shot at Apis head, yet through the twisting, turning and constantly changing momentum of a tackle, a player that finds themselves in a "hip drop" situation gets punished as if he punched a guy in the face intentionally?

 

[Needaname]

I think he needs to let go if he feels he's losing his feet. At least thats what the NRL might say. Of course you can't do that in every situation.

My question to the NRL is...they have told us what is illegal, but they can't tell the players the correct thing to have done in that situation...are we saying that incidental parts of the game are penalised without an alternative behaviour to effect the tackle?

Say you can only grab the hips in a 1 on 1...what's a player supposed to do? Let the attacker stroll through so as to avoid this hip drop?

Why can't the NRL consult independent coaches to supply clubs and players with the correct technique to go with the new rule? Am I being utopian?

Hard to do that in a tackle though. Why didn’t Holmes just let go rather then grip on for dear life?