Adam Hartigan

[PJ_]

I actually think Hartigan was a smart recruit when we got him and the fruits of his work needed time - it was never a quick win. He was one I wanted to stay around for a while.

With Sheens coming, having a GM of football as well was never going to work. Sheens is hands on, he was always going to bring in his flavor to our setup and Hartigan role was always going to reduce.

With another NRL team joining the fold our method of not paying overs and sticking to our principles 100% of the time just isn’t smart business.

I just hope Sheens doesn’t blow our budget, he does like to throw money at recruits and just hope in 2-3yrs we aren’t looking at a bunch of wasted $$$ on the sideline or has been players.

When we won in 05, were we under the cap?
I think u remember reading that somewhere but I could be completely wrong

 

[cochise]

I actually think Hartigan was a smart recruit when we got him and the fruits of his work needed time - it was never a quick win. He was one I wanted to stay around for a while.

With Sheens coming, having a GM of football as well was never going to work. Sheens is hands on, he was always going to bring in his flavor to our setup and Hartigan role was always going to reduce.

With another NRL team joining the fold our method of not paying overs and sticking to our principles 100% of the time just isn’t smart business.

I just hope Sheens doesn’t blow our budget, he does like to throw money at recruits and just hope in 2-3yrs we aren’t looking at a bunch of wasted $$$ on the sideline or has been players.

When we won in 05, were we under the cap?
I think u remember reading that somewhere but I could be completely wrong

We were using some of our money to retain juniors at that point so were effectively spending well below the cap. Sheens did go on to blow our cap on numerous occasions.

 

[innsaneink]

Happy tiger will now be referred to as Fed up tiger for the foreseeable future due to the club being shithouse

Former Happy Tiger

**....I couldn't care less to be brutally honest ......sorry but while I have got the honesty boots on 3/4 posters in this place know very little about this game and what does and doesn't work on a footy field .........**


Im happy to be one the 3/4's that know very little about the game.

Im really liking the structure and hierarchy the club is putting in place and i really like the direction and decisions the recruitment team seem to be making.

I see only improvement coming.

Honesty boots or wobbly boot? ?

 

[barra]

From the outside, I'm glad that Hartigan managed to get our cap under control. Re the bigger names going to other clubs, were they really 'failures' on his behalf, or was he was just sticking to his guns? I don't think anyone here can say with certainty. But I was okay with valuing players realistically and looking long term, keeping our hat in the ring and waiting for the right player to become available if we are to splash out.
So from that point of view I'm sad to see him go, and I just hope our cap doesn't get blown out again.

But what it does seem like to me is that the senior management/board is worried about our situation, out of their depth in so far as how to turn it around quickly, and willing to risk everything by giving Sheens the keys to run this joint as he sees fit.

I get that he has experience and the kahunas to make decisions but he also has ego. It just seems like an 'all or nothing play' and that worries me.

 

[cochise]

From the outside, I'm glad that Hartigan managed to get our cap under control. Re the bigger names going to other clubs, were they really 'failures' on his behalf, or was he was just sticking to his guns? I don't think anyone here can say with certainty. But I was okay with valuing players realistically and looking long term, keeping our hat in the ring and waiting for the right player to become available if we are to splash out.
So from that point of view I'm sad to see him go, and I just hope our cap doesn't get blown out again.

But what it does seem like to me is that the senior management/board is worried about our situation, out of their depth in so far as how to turn it around quickly, and willing to risk everything by giving Sheens the keys to run this joint as he sees fit.

I get that he has experience and the kahunas to make decisions but he also has ego. It just seems like an 'all or nothing play' and that worries me.

It is a hail mary play.

 

[innsaneink]

I actually think Hartigan was a smart recruit when we got him and the fruits of his work needed time - it was never a quick win. He was one I wanted to stay around for a while.

With Sheens coming, having a GM of football as well was never going to work. Sheens is hands on, he was always going to bring in his flavor to our setup and Hartigan role was always going to reduce.

With another NRL team joining the fold our method of not paying overs and sticking to our principles 100% of the time just isn’t smart business.

I just hope Sheens doesn’t blow our budget, he does like to throw money at recruits and just hope in 2-3yrs we aren’t looking at a bunch of wasted $$$ on the sideline or has been players.

When we won in 05, were we under the cap?
I think u remember reading that somewhere but I could be completely wrong

We were using some of our money to retain juniors at that point so were effectively spending well below the cap. Sheens did go on to blow our cap on numerous occasions.

Lots of front loading going on too

 

[Fade.To.Black]

I'm being completely serious ...can someone from the NRL give the WT's 3 years to stop this crap or the WT's are gone

This club is beyond embarassing .....

How about you just go and let the rest of us get on with it?

How about you sit on my face and rotate ....

Are you sure you got this saying correct?

??

?

Yeah I remember the school yard insults.... Up there with calling kids with glasses 'hey,... 4 eyes' ?

*takes me back... Valiant chargers... The girls singing Abba songs...Dallas...Artie...*

Simpler times?. Better times.

Not to forget the classic "my Dad is bigger than your Dad"?. Even that would mean something completely different in today's PC-ruled world.

 

[tiger_one]

Happy tiger will now be referred to as Fed up tiger for the foreseeable future due to the club being shithouse

Former Happy Tiger

I've posted this probably 50 times on here

I was going to call me self Happy Rock ( Gladstone ) Tiger .....

I haven't been a Happy Tigers fans since we won 4 of our 1st five when we Melbourne twice ,Roosters and Warriors from memory .....

And again for the 100th time ...if you don't like what I post ..put me on foe .....my posts are to amuse me 1st call ....and if someone agrees or thinks it's funny ...yay if not ....I couldn't care less to be brutally honest ......sorry but while I have got the honesty boots on 3/4 posters in this place know very little about this game and what does and doesn't work on a footy field .........and many probably think the same about my ideas .....

Hey champion @happy_tiger, mate, as you know, this is a public forum that brings together a mixing pot of passionate Wests Tigers fans.
Every club decision, selection and announcement is dissected, analyzed and questioned up hill and down dale.
Individually, we show our own colours in how we express our thoughts.

I really enjoy the union of thought over any disconnection.
There's always differences.
That's only to be expected.
But sometimes the differences actually encourage me to re-think something - I find that surprisingly a positive.
Personally, I have never FOE'd - I just prefer to skim over those posts that verge on unwarranted personal criticism.

And all this leads me to your posts: mate, you're one of the first that takes my eye; you have a really good handle on rugby league and I think this forum is richer for your intelligent, insightful and humorous input.
Keep swinging.

 

[Tiger5150]

He is partly responsible for the break downs in signings of the bigger names who were on the verge of coming. He apparently is hard to contact for someone involved in recruitment & is hard to fathom.

At one point in a meeting, Sheens turned to GM Adam Hartigan and screamed, "You (bleeping) need Stefano. You can't win without Laurie." Sheens left boardmembers and coaches largely speechless. He dominated the recruitment in every way. Tim's back. !!

I'm Calling it now, Sheenius will be in contention for the best front office signing of 2022. Being back in TIGER TOWN will see him fire up and work endlessly for big money. Oh, and his signing efficiency was better than the existing GM Hartigan, so this appointment was already an improvement at his current level.

Again.. Who are these people...

http://www.unaprcm.org/news/nrl/comments/q8dcpx/wests_tigers_have_just_parted_ways_with_gm_adam/

He 'turned to' Hartigan in a meeting and screamed at him? Via video-link?

:thinking_face:

Sounds like bollocks to me.

Hartigan must have been on the laptop behind Sheens.,

Im picturing Sheens in a massive chair, with a white cat on his lap.

 

[Tiger-ferret]

I actually think Hartigan was a smart recruit when we got him and the fruits of his work needed time - it was never a quick win. He was one I wanted to stay around for a while.

With Sheens coming, having a GM of football as well was never going to work. Sheens is hands on, he was always going to bring in his flavor to our setup and Hartigan role was always going to reduce.

With another NRL team joining the fold our method of not paying overs and sticking to our principles 100% of the time just isn’t smart business.

I just hope Sheens doesn’t blow our budget, he does like to throw money at recruits and just hope in 2-3yrs we aren’t looking at a bunch of wasted $$$ on the sideline or has been players.

Your post resonates very well with me. I believe stability is important for an organization but so is flexibility in decision making. I was prepared for the long burn because the cap is very healthy now. I hope not but I get this unsettling feeling tigers are starting from scratch: again…Sheens maybe able to make use of the healthy cap to propel us into the 8 but if we stuff it up again?

Also, if Sheens has any direct influence over the squad, I’m optimistic he can bring them together and play for Maguire, each other and the jersey.

 

[PJ_]

I actually think Hartigan was a smart recruit when we got him and the fruits of his work needed time - it was never a quick win. He was one I wanted to stay around for a while.

With Sheens coming, having a GM of football as well was never going to work. Sheens is hands on, he was always going to bring in his flavor to our setup and Hartigan role was always going to reduce.

With another NRL team joining the fold our method of not paying overs and sticking to our principles 100% of the time just isn’t smart business.

I just hope Sheens doesn’t blow our budget, he does like to throw money at recruits and just hope in 2-3yrs we aren’t looking at a bunch of wasted $$$ on the sideline or has been players.

When we won in 05, were we under the cap?
I think u remember reading that somewhere but I could be completely wrong

We were using some of our money to retain juniors at that point so were effectively spending well below the cap. Sheens did go on to blow our cap on numerous occasions.

Thanks mate

 

[Tiger5150]

I don’t understand how sacking someone is going to miraculously transform the organisation?
Hartigan joined us with a great reputation for cap management, which gave hope to the masses, considering how badly we needed help in that area. If you judge his performance on that alone then he’s got us to a much improved position.
The sacking of a football GM is not something to celebrate imo, it means there’s been a failure of some kind. ***I’m left wondering what that is? How has the club failed?***

I can also acknowledge positives coming out of the Hartigan era, good junior talent recruiting, cap management, but you cant be serious about not being able to see where the club is failing? Most importantly on the field....going backwards fast. How do we fix that? Recruitment of established quality, another area the club has manifestly failed.

 

[Masterton]

That is my worry too, I’ll back Sheens as he is here now and in control, but he did stuff our Cap on multiple occasions while he was here the 1st time.

I read an interview with him a while back where he claims the club assured him they could sign some outside players and retain all their juniors, and they were obviously wrong,

Make of that what you will, but he blames others for those salary cap failures.

 

[cochise]

That is my worry too, I’ll back Sheens as he is here now and in control, but he did stuff our Cap on multiple occasions while he was here the 1st time.

I read an interview with him a while back where he claims the club assured him they could sign some outside players and retain all their juniors, and they were obviously wrong,

Make of that what you will, but he blames others for those salary cap failures.

It wasn't one failure though, it happened multiple times.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Further to my last post, this is why we are a joke.

A coach we sacked in 2012 and took us to court because he thought we were underhanded in trying to change his role has been elevated to director of football while we had a GM of football and has effectively had no issue with pushing that guy at first out of his role, and then ultimately out of the club with nepotistic appointments.

Said bloke is going to have a guy on his football staff that was also pushed out of the club only to return 18 months later.

Absolute shambles as an organisation.

Hey ! Is that you Hooper!

 

[momo_amp_medo]

He has been apart of all our recruitment over the last 12 months , yes we got some young guns , but no we didn’t get any big guns , what that says is enough

Yes I agree ….. in corporate world if that was the result after the time he had in the chair, you would be dead man walking long before now.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

I actually think Hartigan was a smart recruit when we got him and the fruits of his work needed time - it was never a quick win. He was one I wanted to stay around for a while.

With Sheens coming, having a GM of football as well was never going to work. Sheens is hands on, he was always going to bring in his flavor to our setup and Hartigan role was always going to reduce.

With another NRL team joining the fold our method of not paying overs and sticking to our principles 100% of the time just isn’t smart business.

I just hope Sheens doesn’t blow our budget, he does like to throw money at recruits and just hope in 2-3yrs we aren’t looking at a bunch of wasted $$$ on the sideline or has been players.

That is my worry too, I'll back Sheens as he is here now and in control, but he did stuff our Cap on multiple occasions while he was here the 1st time.

Time will tell.
One thing is for sure ….. we desperately needed some circuit breakers and I always thought the first of those would have been a high profile signing.
But this change, from another angle, may also prove effective and hopefully may push us into a better position on both fronts ….. coaching and recruitment.
The club had to do something to effect large scale change and they now did.
So we can now just watch, hope and pray that it brings positive results to the club and us fans ….. on and off the field.

 

[tigerap]

Further to my last post, this is why we are a joke.

A coach we sacked in 2012 and took us to court because he thought we were underhanded in trying to change his role has been elevated to director of football while we had a GM of football and has effectively had no issue with pushing that guy at first out of his role, and then ultimately out of the club with nepotistic appointments.

Said bloke is going to have a guy on his football staff that was also pushed out of the club only to return 18 months later.

Absolute shambles as an organisation.

Hey ! Is that you Hooper!

Naa its Chammas and Crawley

 

[jadtiger]

With Hartigan being sacked i don't think it will take long before we are paying large "overs" again for players especially with Sheens record in that area.I was fine with Tim coming back for pathways improvement but am quite concerned about his input into any valuation and signing of current and future players.He has been out of the NRL for 9 years and not one of the other 15 clubs would go anywhere near him in giving him a position at their club.
I just hope that someone is making sure Sheens does not destroy our salary cap yet again.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

With Hartigan being sacked i don't think it will take long before we are paying large "overs" again for players especially with Sheens record in that area.I was fine with Tim coming back for pathways improvement but am quite concerned about his input into any valuation and signing of current and future players.He has been out of the NRL for 9 years and not one of the other 15 clubs would go anywhere near him in giving him a position at their club.
I just hope that someone is making sure Sheens does not destroy our salary cap yet again.

I'd wish we'd pay 'overs' for JAC.