Adam Hartigan

[jadtiger]

With Hartigan being sacked i don't think it will take long before we are paying large "overs" again for players especially with Sheens record in that area.I was fine with Tim coming back for pathways improvement but am quite concerned about his input into any valuation and signing of current and future players.He has been out of the NRL for 9 years and not one of the other 15 clubs would go anywhere near him in giving him a position at their club.
I just hope that someone is making sure Sheens does not destroy our salary cap yet again.

I'd wish we'd pay 'overs' for JAC.

Apparently we offered him 500k,to be honest that would be about the right price.Getting into bidding wars is not the way to go but it is the way we have nearly always gone with zero positive results.2005 was a fantastic year but we did not pay overs for anybody in that squad as they where unwanted elsewhere,after that Tim started to throw "overs" at players to get them here.It did not long before loyal juniors where being forced out of the club (Fulton the most notable) to pay for Tims excesses

 

[cochise]

With Hartigan being sacked i don't think it will take long before we are paying large "overs" again for players especially with Sheens record in that area.I was fine with Tim coming back for pathways improvement but am quite concerned about his input into any valuation and signing of current and future players.He has been out of the NRL for 9 years and not one of the other 15 clubs would go anywhere near him in giving him a position at their club.
I just hope that someone is making sure Sheens does not destroy our salary cap yet again.

I'd wish we'd pay 'overs' for JAC.

I don't, we have already paid overs for one winger, you can't do 2.

 

[Harvey]

I can't say I know of Hartigans performance. A strategy of getting the best youngsters on board is fairly obvious. Retaining them is the issue and there have been some concerning signs around this lately.

I will say I have seen Sheens' playbook before. Along with management at the club that supported him he left our cap in a similar state to Cleary. It took 5 years and 2 coaches to try and sort out the mess, before Cleary threw us back in it within 18 months.

3 years an another clean up later we have gone the full circle. I see that it will be a matter of time before we are paying overs for players that are not as good as we rated them, and watching youngsters we have developed play elsewhere (usually with us paying some of the freight).

If Hartigan was not performing, move him on. It is obvious he was not going to accept a demotion. I have no issue with him being sacked and replaced if deserved.

While Sheens is currently a media darling, giving the keys to someone that ran the club down, got sacked and then sued is a massive backward step.

 

[AJ1]

As much as our cap blew out under Sheens, I don't hold him solely accountable. His job is to identify and retain talent, front office is responsible for keeping it financially in check.

 

[Harvey]

As much as our cap blew out under Sheens, I don't hold him solely accountable. His job is to identify and retain talent, front office is responsible for keeping it financially in check.

Apparently not anymore. He has full control over the football department.

Sheenius move.

At least he doesn't have any outside backs to convert to forwards.




Except Noffa!!

 

[TigerWest]

I actually think Hartigan was a smart recruit when we got him and the fruits of his work needed time - it was never a quick win. He was one I wanted to stay around for a while.

With Sheens coming, having a GM of football as well was never going to work. Sheens is hands on, he was always going to bring in his flavor to our setup and Hartigan role was always going to reduce.

With another NRL team joining the fold our method of not paying overs and sticking to our principles 100% of the time just isn’t smart business.

I just hope Sheens doesn’t blow our budget, he does like to throw money at recruits and just hope in 2-3yrs we aren’t looking at a bunch of wasted $$$ on the sideline or has been players.

That is my worry too, I'll back Sheens as he is here now and in control, but he did stuff our Cap on multiple occasions while he was here the 1st time.

Time will tell.
One thing is for sure ….. we desperately needed some circuit breakers and I always thought the first of those would have been a high profile signing.
But this change, from another angle, may also prove effective and hopefully may push us into a better position on both fronts ….. coaching and recruitment.
The club had to do something to effect large scale change and they now did.
So we can now just watch, hope and pray that it brings positive results to the club and us fans ….. on and off the field.

We had to buy a real solid FG, Hodgson may be that one, but prior to him, we didn’t seem interested in getting into that game, unfortunately that was on Hartigan, if he thought we needed to up our bids to players, he had the chance, which he didn’t appear to take?

Maybe he thought that all clubs were like Easts, where players are drawn to there success? Instead of getting us the players we needed?

 

[Lauren]

I don’t understand how sacking someone is going to miraculously transform the organisation?
Hartigan joined us with a great reputation for cap management, which gave hope to the masses, considering how badly we needed help in that area. If you judge his performance on that alone then he’s got us to a much improved position.
The sacking of a football GM is not something to celebrate imo, it means there’s been a failure of some kind. ***I’m left wondering what that is? How has the club failed?***

I can also acknowledge positives coming out of the Hartigan era, good junior talent recruiting, cap management, **but you cant be serious about not being able to see where the club is failing? Most importantly on the field...**.going backwards fast. How do we fix that? Recruitment of established quality, another area the club has manifestly failed.

This.
The team are close to favourites for the wooden spoon and will likely get it, as things currently stand. There's been some great strategies which have been put forward from the club (the junior pathways especially) and as far as I can see we've restructured the organisation in order to protect our succession plan and achieve the club's objectives.

We all know the WTs doesn't have the best image and that there's been some blunderous decision making and miscommunication.
Don't wish to sound disrespectful to Hartigan, as I feel he doesn't deserve that, but Sheens new role is our most important role and I just don't think Hartigan deserved to be undermined (for lack of a better word) by this. It wouldn't have been very cost effective for the club either.
We seem to have some very smart cookies and business oriented people at the club but they're not equipped with the knowledge that is required to manage the footy operations side of things or improve the club's overall culture and nor do they have the presence to align the organisation's structure.

Our biggest problem is the team are showing little to no advancement and it's as simple as there's not enough improvement because we haven't had the right people at the club.(On all levels).
It doesnt seem like it but the club are setting systems that will make them better prepared and now have someone on board who is capable of placing all emphasis on the results side of things - rather than methods and planning - and the expected output requirements.
But all in all its his leadership ability that will be one of the club's best assets.

 

[cochise]

I actually think Hartigan was a smart recruit when we got him and the fruits of his work needed time - it was never a quick win. He was one I wanted to stay around for a while.

With Sheens coming, having a GM of football as well was never going to work. Sheens is hands on, he was always going to bring in his flavor to our setup and Hartigan role was always going to reduce.

With another NRL team joining the fold our method of not paying overs and sticking to our principles 100% of the time just isn’t smart business.

I just hope Sheens doesn’t blow our budget, he does like to throw money at recruits and just hope in 2-3yrs we aren’t looking at a bunch of wasted $$$ on the sideline or has been players.

That is my worry too, I'll back Sheens as he is here now and in control, but he did stuff our Cap on multiple occasions while he was here the 1st time.

Time will tell.
One thing is for sure ….. we desperately needed some circuit breakers and I always thought the first of those would have been a high profile signing.
But this change, from another angle, may also prove effective and hopefully may push us into a better position on both fronts ….. coaching and recruitment.
The club had to do something to effect large scale change and they now did.
So we can now just watch, hope and pray that it brings positive results to the club and us fans ….. on and off the field.

We had to buy a real solid FG, Hodgson may be that one, but prior to him, we didn’t seem interested in getting into that game, unfortunately that was on Hartigan, if he thought we needed to up our bids to players, he had the chance, which he didn’t appear to take?

Maybe he thought that all clubs were like Easts, where players are drawn to there success? Instead of getting us the players we needed?

The TPJs, JACs and LMs of the world are not the ones I would blow my money on though.

 

[TigerWest]

I actually think Hartigan was a smart recruit when we got him and the fruits of his work needed time - it was never a quick win. He was one I wanted to stay around for a while.

With Sheens coming, having a GM of football as well was never going to work. Sheens is hands on, he was always going to bring in his flavor to our setup and Hartigan role was always going to reduce.

With another NRL team joining the fold our method of not paying overs and sticking to our principles 100% of the time just isn’t smart business.

I just hope Sheens doesn’t blow our budget, he does like to throw money at recruits and just hope in 2-3yrs we aren’t looking at a bunch of wasted $$$ on the sideline or has been players.

That is my worry too, I'll back Sheens as he is here now and in control, but he did stuff our Cap on multiple occasions while he was here the 1st time.

Time will tell.
One thing is for sure ….. we desperately needed some circuit breakers and I always thought the first of those would have been a high profile signing.
But this change, from another angle, may also prove effective and hopefully may push us into a better position on both fronts ….. coaching and recruitment.
The club had to do something to effect large scale change and they now did.
So we can now just watch, hope and pray that it brings positive results to the club and us fans ….. on and off the field.

We had to buy a real solid FG, Hodgson may be that one, but prior to him, we didn’t seem interested in getting into that game, unfortunately that was on Hartigan, if he thought we needed to up our bids to players, he had the chance, which he didn’t appear to take?

Maybe he thought that all clubs were like Easts, where players are drawn to there success? Instead of getting us the players we needed?

The TPJs, JACs and LMs of the world are not the ones I would blow my money on though.

It’s semantics who, but we need someone , is my point. Sitting here waiting for development to evolve is not acceptable either imo.

 

[twentyforty]

I don’t understand how sacking someone is going to miraculously transform the organisation?
Hartigan joined us with a great reputation for cap management, which gave hope to the masses, considering how badly we needed help in that area. If you judge his performance on that alone then he’s got us to a much improved position.
The sacking of a football GM is not something to celebrate imo, it means there’s been a failure of some kind. ***I’m left wondering what that is? How has the club failed?***

I can also acknowledge positives coming out of the Hartigan era, good junior talent recruiting, cap management, but you cant be serious about not being able to see where the club is failing? Most importantly on the field....going backwards fast. How do we fix that? Recruitment of established quality, another area the club has manifestly failed.

I’m not looking at the scoreboard, it’s only a telltail sign. Its only a confirmation of failure. It doesn’t tell us how we failed. The organisation obviously has goals which are broken down into tasks , each person given responsibility for the successful completion of those tasks.. Bla bla.
If there are speed bumps, what are they? And why have we not sailed over them? What is it that is holding WT back? “What” not “who”?
It seems WT is stuck in Groundhog Day, still thinking a miracle signing will give us wins and make everyone happy.

 

[cochise]

I actually think Hartigan was a smart recruit when we got him and the fruits of his work needed time - it was never a quick win. He was one I wanted to stay around for a while.

With Sheens coming, having a GM of football as well was never going to work. Sheens is hands on, he was always going to bring in his flavor to our setup and Hartigan role was always going to reduce.

With another NRL team joining the fold our method of not paying overs and sticking to our principles 100% of the time just isn’t smart business.

I just hope Sheens doesn’t blow our budget, he does like to throw money at recruits and just hope in 2-3yrs we aren’t looking at a bunch of wasted $$$ on the sideline or has been players.

That is my worry too, I'll back Sheens as he is here now and in control, but he did stuff our Cap on multiple occasions while he was here the 1st time.

Time will tell.
One thing is for sure ….. we desperately needed some circuit breakers and I always thought the first of those would have been a high profile signing.
But this change, from another angle, may also prove effective and hopefully may push us into a better position on both fronts ….. coaching and recruitment.
The club had to do something to effect large scale change and they now did.
So we can now just watch, hope and pray that it brings positive results to the club and us fans ….. on and off the field.

We had to buy a real solid FG, Hodgson may be that one, but prior to him, we didn’t seem interested in getting into that game, unfortunately that was on Hartigan, if he thought we needed to up our bids to players, he had the chance, which he didn’t appear to take?

Maybe he thought that all clubs were like Easts, where players are drawn to there success? Instead of getting us the players we needed?

The TPJs, JACs and LMs of the world are not the ones I would blow my money on though.

It’s semantics who, but we need someone , is my point. Sitting here waiting for development to evolve is not acceptable either imo.

Yeah you get one shot though so it has to be the right person. You blow it and it effects you for years. So we don't just need someone, we need the right person, that's what got us in this mess to start with.

 

[hank37w]

He is partly responsible for the break downs in signings of the bigger names who were on the verge of coming. He apparently is hard to contact for someone involved in recruitment & is hard to fathom.

At one point in a meeting, Sheens turned to GM Adam Hartigan and screamed, "You (bleeping) need Stefano. You can't win without Laurie." Sheens left boardmembers and coaches largely speechless. He dominated the recruitment in every way. Tim's back. !!

I'm Calling it now, Sheenius will be in contention for the best front office signing of 2022. Being back in TIGER TOWN will see him fire up and work endlessly for big money. Oh, and his signing efficiency was better than the existing GM Hartigan, so this appointment was already an improvement at his current level.

Again.. Who are these people...

http://www.unaprcm.org/news/nrl/comments/q8dcpx/wests_tigers_have_just_parted_ways_with_gm_adam/

He 'turned to' Hartigan in a meeting and screamed at him? Via video-link?

:thinking_face:

Sounds like bollocks to me.

Hartigan must have been on the laptop behind Sheens.,

Im picturing Sheens in a massive chair, with a white cat on his lap.

I'm hoping he's got a black cat and lots of voodoo magic to sort out this mess.

 

[Needaname]

How good would it be if for once we were told the truth about why Hartigan is leaving. We all know this will not happen. So it is left to the pro-Hartigan brigade to tell us he was the greatest recruiter ever and the anti-Hartigan brigade to tell us he was arrogant and didn’t return emails or follow up interviews. As usual opinion is 50/50 and that’s ok it is a forum and you can say what you like. But how good would the real truth be and not the garbage that the Tele rap and other dribblers will spew for the next two weeks.

PS on a different subject Demps I was one of the doubters about Hodgson but although it may or may not happen it appears that you and others were close to the money with this one. For that I was wro I mean to say I was wro what I am trying to admit was that I was wro. Dammit the computer won’t let me type the word. Cheers anyway!

PPS

Maybe happy tiger could change his name to “ the artist formerly known as happy tiger”. It worked for Prince.

You can’t tell me you believe General Manager of Football and Head of Football Performance are too seperate roles entirely.
Sheens came back that’s what happened.
I was always hoping (Hartigan) he’d take on a sideways role once this happened as I feel it didn’t work with him as the ‘face’ of our recruitment however what he has done in the background is pretty outstanding.

 

[Needaname]

Happy tiger will now be referred to as Fed up tiger for the foreseeable future due to the club being shithouse

Former Happy Tiger

I've posted this probably 50 times on here

I was going to call me self Happy Rock ( Gladstone ) Tiger .....

I haven't been a Happy Tigers fans since we won 4 of our 1st five when we Melbourne twice ,Roosters and Warriors from memory .....

And again for the 100th time ...if you don't like what I post ..put me on foe .....my posts are to amuse me 1st call ....and if someone agrees or thinks it's funny ...yay if not ....I couldn't care less to be brutally honest ......sorry but while I have got the honesty boots on 3/4 posters in this place know very little about this game and what does and doesn't work on a footy field .........and many probably think the same about my ideas .....

Cheer up mate, I apologise for making a joke at your expense. I look forward to reading what you know and what you pass on.
Happy Tiger is always true despite the feelings of being Happy or Sad.

 

[TigerWest]

I actually think Hartigan was a smart recruit when we got him and the fruits of his work needed time - it was never a quick win. He was one I wanted to stay around for a while.

With Sheens coming, having a GM of football as well was never going to work. Sheens is hands on, he was always going to bring in his flavor to our setup and Hartigan role was always going to reduce.

With another NRL team joining the fold our method of not paying overs and sticking to our principles 100% of the time just isn’t smart business.

I just hope Sheens doesn’t blow our budget, he does like to throw money at recruits and just hope in 2-3yrs we aren’t looking at a bunch of wasted $$$ on the sideline or has been players.

That is my worry too, I'll back Sheens as he is here now and in control, but he did stuff our Cap on multiple occasions while he was here the 1st time.

Time will tell.
One thing is for sure ….. we desperately needed some circuit breakers and I always thought the first of those would have been a high profile signing.
But this change, from another angle, may also prove effective and hopefully may push us into a better position on both fronts ….. coaching and recruitment.
The club had to do something to effect large scale change and they now did.
So we can now just watch, hope and pray that it brings positive results to the club and us fans ….. on and off the field.

We had to buy a real solid FG, Hodgson may be that one, but prior to him, we didn’t seem interested in getting into that game, unfortunately that was on Hartigan, if he thought we needed to up our bids to players, he had the chance, which he didn’t appear to take?

Maybe he thought that all clubs were like Easts, where players are drawn to there success? Instead of getting us the players we needed?

The TPJs, JACs and LMs of the world are not the ones I would blow my money on though.

It’s semantics who, but we need someone , is my point. Sitting here waiting for development to evolve is not acceptable either imo.

Yeah you get one shot though so it has to be the right person. You blow it and it effects you for years. So we don't just need someone, we need the right person, that's what got us in this mess to start with.

Sorry, but the right person, is someone, I never indicated that it should be a Neville?

I’m not sure how someone like JAC would have gone, but he brings cred and other players attention to the team, that may have been interested, but moved on and looked elsewhere.

But I don’t mean to blow our load on someone obscure, I hope we retain the philosophy we currently have, of looking at solid players.

Unfortunately, with the pressure on the club (and now Sheens) to get some success, they may well do something from left field?

 

[cochise]

I actually think Hartigan was a smart recruit when we got him and the fruits of his work needed time - it was never a quick win. He was one I wanted to stay around for a while.

With Sheens coming, having a GM of football as well was never going to work. Sheens is hands on, he was always going to bring in his flavor to our setup and Hartigan role was always going to reduce.

With another NRL team joining the fold our method of not paying overs and sticking to our principles 100% of the time just isn’t smart business.

I just hope Sheens doesn’t blow our budget, he does like to throw money at recruits and just hope in 2-3yrs we aren’t looking at a bunch of wasted $$$ on the sideline or has been players.

That is my worry too, I'll back Sheens as he is here now and in control, but he did stuff our Cap on multiple occasions while he was here the 1st time.

Time will tell.
One thing is for sure ….. we desperately needed some circuit breakers and I always thought the first of those would have been a high profile signing.
But this change, from another angle, may also prove effective and hopefully may push us into a better position on both fronts ….. coaching and recruitment.
The club had to do something to effect large scale change and they now did.
So we can now just watch, hope and pray that it brings positive results to the club and us fans ….. on and off the field.

We had to buy a real solid FG, Hodgson may be that one, but prior to him, we didn’t seem interested in getting into that game, unfortunately that was on Hartigan, if he thought we needed to up our bids to players, he had the chance, which he didn’t appear to take?

Maybe he thought that all clubs were like Easts, where players are drawn to there success? Instead of getting us the players we needed?

The TPJs, JACs and LMs of the world are not the ones I would blow my money on though.

It’s semantics who, but we need someone , is my point. Sitting here waiting for development to evolve is not acceptable either imo.

Yeah you get one shot though so it has to be the right person. You blow it and it effects you for years. So we don't just need someone, we need the right person, that's what got us in this mess to start with.

Sorry, but the right person, is someone, I never indicated that it should be a Neville?

I’m not sure how someone like JAC would have gone, but he brings cred and other players attention to the team, that may have been interested, but moved on and looked elsewhere.

But I don’t mean to blow our load on someone obscure, I hope we retain the philosophy we currently have, of looking at solid players.

Unfortunately, with the pressure on the club (and now Sheens) to get some success, they may well do something from left field?

That is the worry.

 

[barra]

I actually think Hartigan was a smart recruit when we got him and the fruits of his work needed time - it was never a quick win. He was one I wanted to stay around for a while.

With Sheens coming, having a GM of football as well was never going to work. Sheens is hands on, he was always going to bring in his flavor to our setup and Hartigan role was always going to reduce.

With another NRL team joining the fold our method of not paying overs and sticking to our principles 100% of the time just isn’t smart business.

I just hope Sheens doesn’t blow our budget, he does like to throw money at recruits and just hope in 2-3yrs we aren’t looking at a bunch of wasted $$$ on the sideline or has been players.

That is my worry too, I'll back Sheens as he is here now and in control, but he did stuff our Cap on multiple occasions while he was here the 1st time.

Time will tell.
One thing is for sure ….. we desperately needed some circuit breakers and I always thought the first of those would have been a high profile signing.
But this change, from another angle, may also prove effective and hopefully may push us into a better position on both fronts ….. coaching and recruitment.
The club had to do something to effect large scale change and they now did.
So we can now just watch, hope and pray that it brings positive results to the club and us fans ….. on and off the field.

We had to buy a real solid FG, Hodgson may be that one, but prior to him, we didn’t seem interested in getting into that game, unfortunately that was on Hartigan, if he thought we needed to up our bids to players, he had the chance, which he didn’t appear to take?

Maybe he thought that all clubs were like Easts, where players are drawn to there success? Instead of getting us the players we needed?

The TPJs, JACs and LMs of the world are not the ones I would blow my money on though.

It’s semantics who, but we need someone , is my point. Sitting here waiting for development to evolve is not acceptable either imo.

Yeah you get one shot though so it has to be the right person. You blow it and it effects you for years. So we don't just need someone, we need the right person, that's what got us in this mess to start with.

Absolutely mate - it is key that when we throw the kitchen sink at a player - or even pay overs - that it is the right player.

I've been thinking for a while that it might be time for an old school coupe of signings from the one club... that unhappy group that doesn't like their coach but want to play together, might be the way to get a good change happening here. One can dream, I guess.

 

[cochise]

I actually think Hartigan was a smart recruit when we got him and the fruits of his work needed time - it was never a quick win. He was one I wanted to stay around for a while.

With Sheens coming, having a GM of football as well was never going to work. Sheens is hands on, he was always going to bring in his flavor to our setup and Hartigan role was always going to reduce.

With another NRL team joining the fold our method of not paying overs and sticking to our principles 100% of the time just isn’t smart business.

I just hope Sheens doesn’t blow our budget, he does like to throw money at recruits and just hope in 2-3yrs we aren’t looking at a bunch of wasted $$$ on the sideline or has been players.

That is my worry too, I'll back Sheens as he is here now and in control, but he did stuff our Cap on multiple occasions while he was here the 1st time.

Time will tell.
One thing is for sure ….. we desperately needed some circuit breakers and I always thought the first of those would have been a high profile signing.
But this change, from another angle, may also prove effective and hopefully may push us into a better position on both fronts ….. coaching and recruitment.
The club had to do something to effect large scale change and they now did.
So we can now just watch, hope and pray that it brings positive results to the club and us fans ….. on and off the field.

We had to buy a real solid FG, Hodgson may be that one, but prior to him, we didn’t seem interested in getting into that game, unfortunately that was on Hartigan, if he thought we needed to up our bids to players, he had the chance, which he didn’t appear to take?

Maybe he thought that all clubs were like Easts, where players are drawn to there success? Instead of getting us the players we needed?

The TPJs, JACs and LMs of the world are not the ones I would blow my money on though.

It’s semantics who, but we need someone , is my point. Sitting here waiting for development to evolve is not acceptable either imo.

Yeah you get one shot though so it has to be the right person. You blow it and it effects you for years. So we don't just need someone, we need the right person, that's what got us in this mess to start with.

Absolutely mate - it is key that when we throw the kitchen sink at a player - or even pay overs - that it is the right player.

I've been thinking for a while that it might be time for an old school coupe of signings from the one club... that unhappy group that doesn't like their coach but want to play together, might be the way to get a good change happening here. One can dream, I guess.

I've thought that wouldn't be a bad strategy for a while now, at least a group of players who know each other well.

 

[haberfield_tiger]

Anyone who thinks hartigan got our cap under control is not seeing it properly. It's under control now because we couldn't sign anyone. U think if we signed lattrel for 1.2m we would not have cap pressure or TPJ for 875k. Look he put brooks on 900k. That's a major blunder. A GM that doesn't return calls and bungled big signings had to go.. sheens is back..

 

[Geo]

Anyone who thinks hartigan got our cap under control is not seeing it properly. It's under control now because we couldn't sign anyone. U think if we signed lattrel for 1.2m we would not have cap pressure or TPJ for 875k. Look he put brooks on 900k. That's a major blunder. A GM that doesn't return calls and bungled big signings had to go.. sheens is back..

That’s good in theory but Brooks was re-signed by Maguire in his 1st year here in December 2018... Adam Hartigan joined Wests Tigers in July 2019..