Addo Carr signs with Storm...

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

The sky is not going to fall in guys if he goes, at the end of the day he's just a winger. I think there are other positions that we need to strengthen before we get concerned about losing a winger. Remember we've made some pretty handy signings this year in Grant and ET that I think far outweigh losing JAC, we can't keep everybody.

Just a winger… Why do some still say that? A good, fast, strong, athletic winger nowadays will win you games. Sadly we don't have one of those, because we choose to let them go. 😕

I partly agree with you there- wingers are now under rated in their importance. You can't have a 'weak' player there because of the importance of 'attacking kicks' in both attack & defense, but also because the wingers now play as extra forwards on kick returns with their runs from dummy half. If you have a good winger getting 10-15m out of dummy half, you don't get pinned in your own half.

For mine, centre has become the least important position in the NRL.

Your centre is your most important defender in the modern game

Probably true in some cases. Still, that would make good old Michael Pobje a State of Origin player.

Centre is pretty much a defensive position now. The talent is no longer anywhere near as strong as it used to be. If they can tackle & run interference on kick defense, you are 1st grade standard.

 

[happy_tiger]

Just a winger… Why do some still say that? A good, fast, strong, athletic winger nowadays will win you games. Sadly we don't have one of those, because we choose to let them go. 😕

I partly agree with you there- wingers are now under rated in their importance. You can't have a 'weak' player there because of the importance of 'attacking kicks' in both attack & defense, but also because the wingers now play as extra forwards on kick returns with their runs from dummy half. If you have a good winger getting 10-15m out of dummy half, you don't get pinned in your own half.

For mine, centre has become the least important position in the NRL.

Your centre is your most important defender in the modern game

Probably true in some cases. Still, that would make good old Michael Pobje a State of Origin player.

Centre is pretty much a defensive position now. The talent is no longer anywhere near as strong as it used to be. If they can tackle & run interference on kick defense, you are 1st grade standard.

As Goose and I discussed a few weeks ago their aren't many quality centres about anymore

Probably caused by the fact that at SOO and international level fullbacks are playing centre

The centre is intentionally used as the decoy in many cases these days as the fullback has in many cases become a centre

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

I partly agree with you there- wingers are now under rated in their importance. You can't have a 'weak' player there because of the importance of 'attacking kicks' in both attack & defense, but also because the wingers now play as extra forwards on kick returns with their runs from dummy half. If you have a good winger getting 10-15m out of dummy half, you don't get pinned in your own half.

For mine, centre has become the least important position in the NRL.

Your centre is your most important defender in the modern game

Probably true in some cases. Still, that would make good old Michael Pobje a State of Origin player.

Centre is pretty much a defensive position now. The talent is no longer anywhere near as strong as it used to be. If they can tackle & run interference on kick defense, you are 1st grade standard.

As Goose and I discussed a few weeks ago their aren't many quality centres about anymore

Probably caused by the fact that at SOO and international level fullbacks are playing centre

The centre is intentionally used as the decoy in many cases these days as the fullback has in many cases become a centre

Agreed- the quality isn't there. Can't think of 1 I'd place even close to say, Mark Gasnier.

I will say this, Tim Simona is under rated in my book.

 

[happy_tiger]

Your centre is your most important defender in the modern game

Probably true in some cases. Still, that would make good old Michael Pobje a State of Origin player.

Centre is pretty much a defensive position now. The talent is no longer anywhere near as strong as it used to be. If they can tackle & run interference on kick defense, you are 1st grade standard.

As Goose and I discussed a few weeks ago their aren't many quality centres about anymore

Probably caused by the fact that at SOO and international level fullbacks are playing centre

The centre is intentionally used as the decoy in many cases these days as the fullback has in many cases become a centre

Agreed- the quality isn't there. Can't think of 1 I'd place even close to say, Mark Gasnier.

I will say this, Tim Simona is under rated in my book.

Hodges was good for many seasons as was Gasnier as you mentioned

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

Probably true in some cases. Still, that would make good old Michael Pobje a State of Origin player.

Centre is pretty much a defensive position now. The talent is no longer anywhere near as strong as it used to be. If they can tackle & run interference on kick defense, you are 1st grade standard.

As Goose and I discussed a few weeks ago their aren't many quality centres about anymore

Probably caused by the fact that at SOO and international level fullbacks are playing centre

The centre is intentionally used as the decoy in many cases these days as the fullback has in many cases become a centre

Agreed- the quality isn't there. Can't think of 1 I'd place even close to say, Mark Gasnier.

I will say this, Tim Simona is under rated in my book.

Hodges was good for many seasons as was Gasnier as you mentioned

For mine, Hodges wasn't in Gasnier's class.

The Morris brothers are probably the ones I'd rate highest now, but for mine, they are wingers playing centre.

 

[tigermac88]

Probably true in some cases. Still, that would make good old Michael Pobje a State of Origin player.

Centre is pretty much a defensive position now. The talent is no longer anywhere near as strong as it used to be. If they can tackle & run interference on kick defense, you are 1st grade standard.

As Goose and I discussed a few weeks ago their aren't many quality centres about anymore

Probably caused by the fact that at SOO and international level fullbacks are playing centre

The centre is intentionally used as the decoy in many cases these days as the fullback has in many cases become a centre

Agreed- the quality isn't there. Can't think of 1 I'd place even close to say, Mark Gasnier.

I will say this, Tim Simona is under rated in my book.

Hodges was good for many seasons as was Gasnier as you mentioned

James Roberts is a modern day centre that I would move heaven and earth to get into a Tigers jersey. I think he's better than Morris.

 

[Milky]

If true, JAC is not in the top 25 and should therefore have his cards marked to not play 1st grade again. To be honest I would promote Karwhin to NSW cup for rest of the year and let Josh play Ron Massey cup

Or we can try win a few games, Kharwin isn't good enough for state cup.

You've never seen Karwhin play, have you?

Three times in twenties, obviously not enough of him then.

 

[balmain boy]

Karwhin averages a try a game in every grade he's played. He's a very good finisher close to the line, but does lack pace. Still he's a very solid player overall. Good communicator. Good in the air in attack and defence. Plenty of size and strength about him. Doesn't have the engine for the forwards yet.

He's somewhat similar to Nofoaluma. Not the same leg drive (but better in the air) but a good finished with a solid all around game despite not having much pace.

JAC on the other hand is a finisher from anywhere on the field. No matter where you are, if you make some space he scores the vast majority of the time. You putty Naiqama, Nofo, Rankin etc in space in our half and they get mowed down before they score.

Just like people complained retrospectively when we let Koro go, people will likewise complain IF we let JAC go. Still hasn't happened yet so just a hypothetical.

 

[Masterton]

The thing I was very much impressed with for his NRL debut was his attitude he had a go, yes his hit-ups might not have been as effective as some wingers but I will say it again, HE HAD A GO! His hit-ups more than covered Rankin's sprint, (no faster than my walking speed) hit the line and get absolutely man handled by the opposition..

Apparently not
JAC 17 runs, 104 metres
Rankin 14 runs 104 metres
I thought JAC was decent, but hit ups aint his forte

 

[Pawsandclaws]

The problem is.. And always has been not using common sense in selections.. JAC is worth keeping especially if his price is 120k then 180k ..

Think about it for 2 years

Josh Addo Carr - 120k/180k
Marika Korribete - 360k/360k

Who is the better value?? Yes Addo Carr is not as good as Korribete but look at the money would be saved in what is a tight salary cap. JAC is one that has been demanding opportunities by tearing it up in the NSW cup..

The thing I was very much impressed with for his NRL debut was his attitude he had a go, yes his hit-ups might not have been as effective as some wingers but I will say it again, HE HAD A GO! His hit-ups more than covered Rankin's sprint, (no faster than my walking speed) hit the line and get absolutely man handled by the opposition.. Yeah people are talking about his goal kicking, but his shocking defenceive reads are costing us more than the below average goal kicking he possesses..

Come on JT use some of that common sense

But how has JAC proven himself defensively BT ??

Why is that a requirement? We already have one winger who is a liability in defence and has no pace.

 

[happy_tiger]

The problem is.. And always has been not using common sense in selections.. JAC is worth keeping especially if his price is 120k then 180k ..

Think about it for 2 years

Josh Addo Carr - 120k/180k
Marika Korribete - 360k/360k

Who is the better value?? Yes Addo Carr is not as good as Korribete but look at the money would be saved in what is a tight salary cap. JAC is one that has been demanding opportunities by tearing it up in the NSW cup..

The thing I was very much impressed with for his NRL debut was his attitude he had a go, yes his hit-ups might not have been as effective as some wingers but I will say it again, HE HAD A GO! His hit-ups more than covered Rankin's sprint, (no faster than my walking speed) hit the line and get absolutely man handled by the opposition.. Yeah people are talking about his goal kicking, but his shocking defenceive reads are costing us more than the below average goal kicking he possesses..

Come on JT use some of that common sense

But how has JAC proven himself defensively BT ??

Why is that a requirement? We already have one winger who is a liability in defence and has no pace.

We will see when he is at the Storm , he's not ready yet and needs probably another off season at the very least

 

[Tigermama]

According to the Mole…" The WT have refused him (JAC) a release at the last minute.
He will remain with us till the end of 2016."

 

[balmain boy]

According to the Mole…" The WT have refused him (JAC) a release at the last minute.
He will remain with us till the end of 2016."

So we refused a release a couple of weeks ago and now media want to dramatise it a bit more? They were desperate for a short term fix, they've got Morgan instead. The players they have currently injured will be fit by next season too so their need for JAC might even decrease

 

[Newtown]

According to the Mole…" The WT have refused him (JAC) a release at the last minute.
He will remain with us till the end of 2016."

In all fairness, to the club and to the player, that is the way it should be. Finally our club management is showing some sanity in the way it runs the club.

 

[MacDougall]

I would sooner see them take Nofoaluma than Addo-Carr. I like Noffa but I think he's already banged up, he misses too many games through injury each year, he's slow and he is prone to misreads and errors that cost us greatly. For anything we lose in the short term the long term potential is much greater. It's not like replacing Tedesco or Woods, Nofoaluma is an average NRL winger and Addo-Carr has the potential to be much more. He'd also be on a lot less coin.

 

[barra]

I would sooner see them take Nofoaluma than Addo-Carr. I like Noffa but I think he's already banged up, he misses too many games through injury each year, he's slow and he is prone to misreads and errors that cost us greatly. For anything we lose in the short term the long term potential is much greater. It's not like replacing Tedesco or Woods, Nofoaluma is an average NRL winger and Addo-Carr has the potential to be much more. He'd also be on a lot less coin.

There are two Davids I reckon.

One is the fit, healthy, hungry one that played against Souths last week. He's better than average and a very good player for us, doing a lot of dirty work and breaking tackles etc and will finish well if given a chance.

Then there is the David who is playing with some injury, goes missing, struggles in many aspects of the game… that's the one you're referring to! And that's the one we need to see less of.

 

[CocaCola]

According to the Mole…" The WT have refused him (JAC) a release at the last minute.
He will remain with us till the end of 2016."

So the question remains, is he signed with the Storm for 2017 beyond?

Hopefully if he hasn't agreed to any future contract with the Storm, he is given ample opportunity for the rest of the season to show what he is capable of.

When this guy puts on another 5-7kg of muscle mass over the 18 months, he's gonna be hard to stop.

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

I'm yet to see players have long, successful careers based off the fact they are fast. It helps, yes. But he needs to prove so much more before you go paying him around $200k a season.

Is he promising? Sure. But he couldn't crack the Sharks line-up & came here for a chance & hasn't commanded a 1st grade spot. So how good is he? There's a lot more to prove before you go investing significant money in a guy like this.

 

[ILTIGRE]

According to the Mole…" The WT have refused him (JAC) a release at the last minute.
He will remain with us till the end of 2016."

Ive just had a look at his teitter account, where does it say this?

 

[batboy]

I would sooner see them take Nofoaluma than Addo-Carr. I like Noffa but I think he's already banged up, he misses too many games through injury each year, he's slow and he is prone to misreads and errors that cost us greatly. For anything we lose in the short term the long term potential is much greater. It's not like replacing Tedesco or Woods, Nofoaluma is an average NRL winger and Addo-Carr has the potential to be much more. He'd also be on a lot less coin.

There are two Davids I reckon.

One is the fit, healthy, hungry one that played against Souths last week. He's better than average and a very good player for us, doing a lot of dirty work and breaking tackles etc and will finish well if given a chance.

Then there is the David who is playing with some injury, goes missing, struggles in many aspects of the game… that's the one you're referring to! And that's the one we need to see less of.

There's also the one that's never had a First Grade centre with a bit of experience to help him out….