Alex Seyfarth #232

[Tucker]

Seyfarth has been the worst disciplined in the team the last 3 years. So if our entire team got penalised more, we wouldn't have won the spoon? Strange take.

Not sold on Seyfarth in the slightest. Should be a bench or depth option.

I think this narrative that Seyfarth is the most ill disciplined player in our team is BS. He gets an unfair bad wrap on this issue. As you brought this up, here is a snapshot of the past 3 years...

In season 2024, the most penalised player was Sezer. The player who had the most judiciary troubles was also Sezer. Seyfarth had the 4th or 5th worst discipline.
In season 2023, the most penalised player was Stefano. The player who had the most judiciary troubles was Papalií. Seyfarth wouldnt have been top 10 for worst discipline.
In season 2022, the most penalised player was Simpkin / Ofanhengaue. The player who had the most judiciary troubles was Naden. Seyfarth was outside the top 5 for worst discipline.

Yes he is a bit hot headed, however we have always had worse and as a matter of record, his captain the past two years has been worse.

 

[tig_prmz]

I think this narrative that Seyfarth is the most ill disciplined player in our team is BS. He gets an unfair bad wrap on this issue. As you brought this up, here is a snapshot of the past 3 years...

In season 2024, the most penalised player was Sezer. The player who had the most judiciary troubles was also Sezer. Seyfarth had the 4th or 5th worst discipline.
In season 2023, the most penalised player was Stefano. The player who had the most judiciary troubles was Papalií. Seyfarth wouldnt have been top 10 for worst discipline.
In season 2022, the most penalised player was Simpkin / Ofanhengaue. The player who had the most judiciary troubles was Naden. Seyfarth was outside the top 5 for worst discipline.

Yes he is a bit hot headed, however we have always had worse and as a matter of record, his captain the past two years has been worse.

Out of curiosity, how do Seyfarth's penalty count and sin-bin rates stack up per minute played across the NRL? Just eyeballing it, I'm sure Seyfarth would be high up there. In 2024, Sezer had a shocking year, Api would be high up there because he played 80 minutes every week and really pushed the line.

In 2022 and 2023, I don't think Seyfarth played that many minutes.

I definitely think we should not have committed for 4 extra years for Alex, but despite all that I like him and he has the aggression we need. We also need someone who is a reliable defender and pushes the fitness barrrier at training. I hope Seyfarth can be that person.

 

[Canadian Club]

I think this narrative that Seyfarth is the most ill disciplined player in our team is BS. He gets an unfair bad wrap on this issue. As you brought this up, here is a snapshot of the past 3 years...

In season 2024, the most penalised player was Sezer. The player who had the most judiciary troubles was also Sezer. Seyfarth had the 4th or 5th worst discipline.
In season 2023, the most penalised player was Stefano. The player who had the most judiciary troubles was Papalií. Seyfarth wouldnt have been top 10 for worst discipline.
In season 2022, the most penalised player was Simpkin / Ofanhengaue. The player who had the most judiciary troubles was Naden. Seyfarth was outside the top 5 for worst discipline.

Yes he is a bit hot headed, however we have always had worse and as a matter of record, his captain the past two years has been worse.

It’s not BS, it’s fact. Seyfarth was worse than Sezer or Api. You need to take into consideration time on the field. Sezer and Api both averaged over 70mins a game. Seyfarth averaged 45mins.

If you have a look at penalties to minutes played Seyfarth was in the top 3 of penalties conceded in the entire NRL.

 

[Charred]

It’s not BS, it’s fact. Seyfarth was worse than Sezer or Api. You need to take into consideration time on the field. Sezer and Api both averaged over 70mins a game. Seyfarth averaged 45mins.

If you have a look at penalties to minutes played Seyfarth was in the top 3 of penalties conceded in the entire NRL.

Yeah and you need to consider the fact Aidan Sezer played 6 less games.

According to Legz:
Sezer played 1241 minutes for 18 penalties, averaging 1 penalty per 69 minutes
Seyfarth played 1102 minutes for 13 penalites, averaging 85 minutes.
Koroisau 1631 minutes for 13 penalties, 1 per 125 minutes.
Utoikamanu 1204 minutes for 13 penalties, 1 per 92 minutes.
Klemmer 850 minutes for 7 penalties (incl. 3 in one game), 1 per 121 minutes.
Naden 637 minutes for 5 penalties, 1 per 127 minutes.
Porter 457 minutes for 4 penalties, 1 per 114 minutes
TDS 257 minutes for 3 penalties, 1 per 89 minutes
Kepaoa 109 minutes for 2 penalties, 1 per 54.5 minutes.
Johannsen 26 minutes for 1 penalty.

So he came 4th, but you could probably excuse the low minutes of Johannsen and Kepaoa. Additionally, he's only a little better than TDS and Utoikamanu.
In the trial he conceded one penalty, but so did Mason, Samuela, Latu and Kit. TDS had 3!!! His penalty was for offside as well and I went and watched it back. The angle was pretty bad so I couldn't see anything but Pole and TDS were in a straight line with Seyfarth when the camera pans to them.

I would like to see where you got this Top 3 stat from because I could quite quickly find some who played a majority of matches in the season with a worse average than 84.77.
Sezer (68.9)
Townsend (83.6)
S.Walker (84.2)
JWH (45.4)
NAS (59.9)
Jake Clifford* (58.3) (8 games)
Hopgood (79.1)
There is probably many more.

Obviously, yeah you can argue that it's still not good and that's a fair enough take but there is no need to exaggerate.

I then decided lets watch every single penalty he has received last year.
Round 4 vs Eels, Dangerous tackle. Apparently high contact but he has a loose arm which grabs the shoulder of the halfback trying to step him. Another angle may be better but commentators said "not a lot in it"
Round 4 vs Eels - Grapple. I'm assuming this is putting his hand on the players head after the tackle.
Round 6 vs Dragons - Slow Peel. His arm actually got stuck under the Dragons player you can see, but he got up as quick as he could, but not quick enough for the ref.
Round 10 vs Knights - Dangerous Tackle. Loose arm again, grabs the shoulder but hits his head while he's at it.
Round 14 vs Dragons - Other. Flanagan pushed Seyfarth and Seyfarth got angry.
Round 14 vs Dragons - Other. Double movement looking to score a try, would classify this as more of an error. Showed immediate regret and slapped himself in the head multiple times.
Round 16 vs Raiders - Offside + Sin Bin. Galvin gave away a penalty, there was a quick tap and Seyfarth instinctively reacts to the movement out the corner of his eye but then pulls away immediately. I'd classify this similar to Samuela Fainu's bin earlier in the year.
Round 18 vs Storm - Slow Peel, he was kind of held down by number 12 (fainu?) but got up as soon as the ref said so.
Round 21 vs Warriors - Late Tackle. Definite poor discipline
Round 21 vs Warriors - Offside (from kick). Yeah a bit silly here, he was like 5m offside.
Round 24 vs Rabbits - Dangerous Tackle. Definitely high, but not intentional. Hit the shoulder first then bounced up, couple cm lower and he would have hit the sweet spot.
Round 24 vs Rabbits - Shoulder Charge. Jye Gray is in space, Seyfarth comes to make the tackle, last second Gray kicks, Seyfarth tries to pull out but ends up in an awkward position as he was running it fast and tries to hug/deflect off Gray. I remember being at the game and being annoyed at the refs for that. Not poor discipline just unfortunate.
Round 25 vs Manly - Dangerous Tackle. Player runs and ducks slightly into his arm. But that's like the 3rd time I've seen a lazy arm cause a high tackle from a player stepping back on the inside.

So out of the penalties I'd say 1, 2, 4, 5, 9, 10, 13 are due to poor discipline as well as his sin bin against the dogs. He was probably unlucky with 3 of them (3, 8, 12) which will happen to everyone and double movement is a kind of annoying penalty due to him trying too hard. His penalties overall weren't that bad either which is why he was only on report 3 times (less than Api, Sezer, Klemmer).

His discipline, particularly with the lazy arms and also his responses to getting provoked (dogs, dragons games) needs improvement but I don't think it's too bad or too hard to improve overall.

 

[Tucker]

It’s not BS, it’s fact. Seyfarth was worse than Sezer or Api. You need to take into consideration time on the field. Sezer and Api both averaged over 70mins a game. Seyfarth averaged 45mins.

If you have a look at penalties to minutes played Seyfarth was in the top 3 of penalties conceded in the entire NRL.

Depends how pedantic you want to be to prove a point. Why not count it in seconds? You could make it look even worse then.
All stats sites present these numbers as an average of how many games you have played.
What I said is correct. Seyfarth wasnt a saint last year, but he wasnt alone either. Sezer, Api, Klemmer and Olam all cost us more with their discipline. Seyfarth gave some penalties away, but no suspensions unlike those others.
In 2023 he was barely noticeable as being in trouble....3 penalties and 0 suspensions for the whole season. In 2022 he gave 9 penalties and had 0 suspensions.

 

[Oldman]

Yeah and you need to consider the fact Aidan Sezer played 6 less games.

According to Legz:
Sezer played 1241 minutes for 18 penalties, averaging 1 penalty per 69 minutes
Seyfarth played 1102 minutes for 13 penalites, averaging 85 minutes.
Koroisau 1631 minutes for 13 penalties, 1 per 125 minutes.
Utoikamanu 1204 minutes for 13 penalties, 1 per 92 minutes.
Klemmer 850 minutes for 7 penalties (incl. 3 in one game), 1 per 121 minutes.
Naden 637 minutes for 5 penalties, 1 per 127 minutes.
Porter 457 minutes for 4 penalties, 1 per 114 minutes
TDS 257 minutes for 3 penalties, 1 per 89 minutes
Kepaoa 109 minutes for 2 penalties, 1 per 54.5 minutes.
Johannsen 26 minutes for 1 penalty.

So he came 4th, but you could probably excuse the low minutes of Johannsen and Kepaoa. Additionally, he's only a little better than TDS and Utoikamanu.
In the trial he conceded one penalty, but so did Mason, Samuela, Latu and Kit. TDS had 3!!! His penalty was for offside as well and I went and watched it back. The angle was pretty bad so I couldn't see anything but Pole and TDS were in a straight line with Seyfarth when the camera pans to them.

I would like to see where you got this Top 3 stat from because I could quite quickly find some who played a majority of matches in the season with a worse average than 84.77.
Sezer (68.9)
Townsend (83.6)
S.Walker (84.2)
JWH (45.4)
NAS (59.9)
Jake Clifford* (58.3) (8 games)
Hopgood (79.1)
There is probably many more.

Obviously, yeah you can argue that it's still not good and that's a fair enough take but there is no need to exaggerate.

I then decided lets watch every single penalty he has received last year.
Round 4 vs Eels, Dangerous tackle. Apparently high contact but he has a loose arm which grabs the shoulder of the halfback trying to step him. Another angle may be better but commentators said "not a lot in it"
Round 4 vs Eels - Grapple. I'm assuming this is putting his hand on the players head after the tackle.
Round 6 vs Dragons - Slow Peel. His arm actually got stuck under the Dragons player you can see, but he got up as quick as he could, but not quick enough for the ref.
Round 10 vs Knights - Dangerous Tackle. Loose arm again, grabs the shoulder but hits his head while he's at it.
Round 14 vs Dragons - Other. Flanagan pushed Seyfarth and Seyfarth got angry.
Round 14 vs Dragons - Other. Double movement looking to score a try, would classify this as more of an error. Showed immediate regret and slapped himself in the head multiple times.
Round 16 vs Raiders - Offside + Sin Bin. Galvin gave away a penalty, there was a quick tap and Seyfarth instinctively reacts to the movement out the corner of his eye but then pulls away immediately. I'd classify this similar to Samuela Fainu's bin earlier in the year.
Round 18 vs Storm - Slow Peel, he was kind of held down by number 12 (fainu?) but got up as soon as the ref said so.
Round 21 vs Warriors - Late Tackle. Definite poor discipline
Round 21 vs Warriors - Offside (from kick). Yeah a bit silly here, he was like 5m offside.
Round 24 vs Rabbits - Dangerous Tackle. Definitely high, but not intentional. Hit the shoulder first then bounced up, couple cm lower and he would have hit the sweet spot.
Round 24 vs Rabbits - Shoulder Charge. Jye Gray is in space, Seyfarth comes to make the tackle, last second Gray kicks, Seyfarth tries to pull out but ends up in an awkward position as he was running it fast and tries to hug/deflect off Gray. I remember being at the game and being annoyed at the refs for that. Not poor discipline just unfortunate.
Round 25 vs Manly - Dangerous Tackle. Player runs and ducks slightly into his arm. But that's like the 3rd time I've seen a lazy arm cause a high tackle from a player stepping back on the inside.

So out of the penalties I'd say 1, 2, 4, 5, 9, 10, 13 are due to poor discipline as well as his sin bin against the dogs. He was probably unlucky with 3 of them (3, 8, 12) which will happen to everyone and double movement is a kind of annoying penalty due to him trying too hard. His penalties overall weren't that bad either which is why he was only on report 3 times (less than Api, Sezer, Klemmer).

His discipline, particularly with the lazy arms and also his responses to getting provoked (dogs, dragons games) needs improvement but I don't think it's too bad or too hard to improve overall.

Just a question
Are you Rex’s off sider Barry Ross by any chance ?

 

[innsaneink]

Yeah and you need to consider the fact Aidan Sezer played 6 less games.

According to Legz:
Sezer played 1241 minutes for 18 penalties, averaging 1 penalty per 69 minutes
Seyfarth played 1102 minutes for 13 penalites, averaging 85 minutes.
Koroisau 1631 minutes for 13 penalties, 1 per 125 minutes.
Utoikamanu 1204 minutes for 13 penalties, 1 per 92 minutes.
Klemmer 850 minutes for 7 penalties (incl. 3 in one game), 1 per 121 minutes.
Naden 637 minutes for 5 penalties, 1 per 127 minutes.
Porter 457 minutes for 4 penalties, 1 per 114 minutes
TDS 257 minutes for 3 penalties, 1 per 89 minutes
Kepaoa 109 minutes for 2 penalties, 1 per 54.5 minutes.
Johannsen 26 minutes for 1 penalty.

So he came 4th, but you could probably excuse the low minutes of Johannsen and Kepaoa. Additionally, he's only a little better than TDS and Utoikamanu.
In the trial he conceded one penalty, but so did Mason, Samuela, Latu and Kit. TDS had 3!!! His penalty was for offside as well and I went and watched it back. The angle was pretty bad so I couldn't see anything but Pole and TDS were in a straight line with Seyfarth when the camera pans to them.

I would like to see where you got this Top 3 stat from because I could quite quickly find some who played a majority of matches in the season with a worse average than 84.77.
Sezer (68.9)
Townsend (83.6)
S.Walker (84.2)
JWH (45.4)
NAS (59.9)
Jake Clifford* (58.3) (8 games)
Hopgood (79.1)
There is probably many more.

Obviously, yeah you can argue that it's still not good and that's a fair enough take but there is no need to exaggerate.

I then decided lets watch every single penalty he has received last year.
Round 4 vs Eels, Dangerous tackle. Apparently high contact but he has a loose arm which grabs the shoulder of the halfback trying to step him. Another angle may be better but commentators said "not a lot in it"
Round 4 vs Eels - Grapple. I'm assuming this is putting his hand on the players head after the tackle.
Round 6 vs Dragons - Slow Peel. His arm actually got stuck under the Dragons player you can see, but he got up as quick as he could, but not quick enough for the ref.
Round 10 vs Knights - Dangerous Tackle. Loose arm again, grabs the shoulder but hits his head while he's at it.
Round 14 vs Dragons - Other. Flanagan pushed Seyfarth and Seyfarth got angry.
Round 14 vs Dragons - Other. Double movement looking to score a try, would classify this as more of an error. Showed immediate regret and slapped himself in the head multiple times.
Round 16 vs Raiders - Offside + Sin Bin. Galvin gave away a penalty, there was a quick tap and Seyfarth instinctively reacts to the movement out the corner of his eye but then pulls away immediately. I'd classify this similar to Samuela Fainu's bin earlier in the year.
Round 18 vs Storm - Slow Peel, he was kind of held down by number 12 (fainu?) but got up as soon as the ref said so.
Round 21 vs Warriors - Late Tackle. Definite poor discipline
Round 21 vs Warriors - Offside (from kick). Yeah a bit silly here, he was like 5m offside.
Round 24 vs Rabbits - Dangerous Tackle. Definitely high, but not intentional. Hit the shoulder first then bounced up, couple cm lower and he would have hit the sweet spot.
Round 24 vs Rabbits - Shoulder Charge. Jye Gray is in space, Seyfarth comes to make the tackle, last second Gray kicks, Seyfarth tries to pull out but ends up in an awkward position as he was running it fast and tries to hug/deflect off Gray. I remember being at the game and being annoyed at the refs for that. Not poor discipline just unfortunate.
Round 25 vs Manly - Dangerous Tackle. Player runs and ducks slightly into his arm. But that's like the 3rd time I've seen a lazy arm cause a high tackle from a player stepping back on the inside.

So out of the penalties I'd say 1, 2, 4, 5, 9, 10, 13 are due to poor discipline as well as his sin bin against the dogs. He was probably unlucky with 3 of them (3, 8, 12) which will happen to everyone and double movement is a kind of annoying penalty due to him trying too hard. His penalties overall weren't that bad either which is why he was only on report 3 times (less than Api, Sezer, Klemmer).

His discipline, particularly with the lazy arms and also his responses to getting provoked (dogs, dragons games) needs improvement but I don't think it's too bad or too hard to improve overall.

Wow... How long did that take ya?

 

[innsaneink]

Just a question
Are you Rex’s off sider Barry Ross by any chance ?

It's David Middleton.. stats guroo

 

[TrueTiger]

Depends how pedantic you want to be to prove a point. Why not count it in seconds? You could make it look even worse then.
All stats sites present these numbers as an average of how many games you have played.
What I said is correct. Seyfarth wasnt a saint last year, but he wasnt alone either. Sezer, Api, Klemmer and Olam all cost us more with their discipline. Seyfarth gave some penalties away, but no suspensions unlike those others.
In 2023 he was barely noticeable as being in trouble....3 penalties and 0 suspensions for the whole season. In 2022 he gave 9 penalties and had 0 suspensions.

Tuck,I think Alex will mature even more this year,his discipline isnt way bad but needs to improve a bit more so the haters will settle down a bit..
He is a workhorse and every team needs them..

 

[hank37w]

Just a question
Are you Rex’s off sider Barry Ross by any chance ?

Have to say that I'm flabbergasted seeing all those stats. 🤣

 

[Canadian Club]

Yeah and you need to consider the fact Aidan Sezer played 6 less games.

According to Legz:
Sezer played 1241 minutes for 18 penalties, averaging 1 penalty per 69 minutes
Seyfarth played 1102 minutes for 13 penalites, averaging 85 minutes.
Koroisau 1631 minutes for 13 penalties, 1 per 125 minutes.
Utoikamanu 1204 minutes for 13 penalties, 1 per 92 minutes.
Klemmer 850 minutes for 7 penalties (incl. 3 in one game), 1 per 121 minutes.
Naden 637 minutes for 5 penalties, 1 per 127 minutes.
Porter 457 minutes for 4 penalties, 1 per 114 minutes
TDS 257 minutes for 3 penalties, 1 per 89 minutes
Kepaoa 109 minutes for 2 penalties, 1 per 54.5 minutes.
Johannsen 26 minutes for 1 penalty.

So he came 4th, but you could probably excuse the low minutes of Johannsen and Kepaoa. Additionally, he's only a little better than TDS and Utoikamanu.
In the trial he conceded one penalty, but so did Mason, Samuela, Latu and Kit. TDS had 3!!! His penalty was for offside as well and I went and watched it back. The angle was pretty bad so I couldn't see anything but Pole and TDS were in a straight line with Seyfarth when the camera pans to them.

I would like to see where you got this Top 3 stat from because I could quite quickly find some who played a majority of matches in the season with a worse average than 84.77.
Sezer (68.9)
Townsend (83.6)
S.Walker (84.2)
JWH (45.4)
NAS (59.9)
Jake Clifford* (58.3) (8 games)
Hopgood (79.1)
There is probably many more.

Obviously, yeah you can argue that it's still not good and that's a fair enough take but there is no need to exaggerate.

I then decided lets watch every single penalty he has received last year.
Round 4 vs Eels, Dangerous tackle. Apparently high contact but he has a loose arm which grabs the shoulder of the halfback trying to step him. Another angle may be better but commentators said "not a lot in it"
Round 4 vs Eels - Grapple. I'm assuming this is putting his hand on the players head after the tackle.
Round 6 vs Dragons - Slow Peel. His arm actually got stuck under the Dragons player you can see, but he got up as quick as he could, but not quick enough for the ref.
Round 10 vs Knights - Dangerous Tackle. Loose arm again, grabs the shoulder but hits his head while he's at it.
Round 14 vs Dragons - Other. Flanagan pushed Seyfarth and Seyfarth got angry.
Round 14 vs Dragons - Other. Double movement looking to score a try, would classify this as more of an error. Showed immediate regret and slapped himself in the head multiple times.
Round 16 vs Raiders - Offside + Sin Bin. Galvin gave away a penalty, there was a quick tap and Seyfarth instinctively reacts to the movement out the corner of his eye but then pulls away immediately. I'd classify this similar to Samuela Fainu's bin earlier in the year.
Round 18 vs Storm - Slow Peel, he was kind of held down by number 12 (fainu?) but got up as soon as the ref said so.
Round 21 vs Warriors - Late Tackle. Definite poor discipline
Round 21 vs Warriors - Offside (from kick). Yeah a bit silly here, he was like 5m offside.
Round 24 vs Rabbits - Dangerous Tackle. Definitely high, but not intentional. Hit the shoulder first then bounced up, couple cm lower and he would have hit the sweet spot.
Round 24 vs Rabbits - Shoulder Charge. Jye Gray is in space, Seyfarth comes to make the tackle, last second Gray kicks, Seyfarth tries to pull out but ends up in an awkward position as he was running it fast and tries to hug/deflect off Gray. I remember being at the game and being annoyed at the refs for that. Not poor discipline just unfortunate.
Round 25 vs Manly - Dangerous Tackle. Player runs and ducks slightly into his arm. But that's like the 3rd time I've seen a lazy arm cause a high tackle from a player stepping back on the inside.

So out of the penalties I'd say 1, 2, 4, 5, 9, 10, 13 are due to poor discipline as well as his sin bin against the dogs. He was probably unlucky with 3 of them (3, 8, 12) which will happen to everyone and double movement is a kind of annoying penalty due to him trying too hard. His penalties overall weren't that bad either which is why he was only on report 3 times (less than Api, Sezer, Klemmer).

His discipline, particularly with the lazy arms and also his responses to getting provoked (dogs, dragons games) needs improvement but I don't think it's too bad or too hard to improve overall.

Stats for an NRL page which included 6 agains/set restarts. Sezer was also in the top 3 and is not in the NRL anymore (rightfully so). You've tried to justify nearly every penalty given... You could give the same analysis of every penalty given by any player. Api does twice as much work in almost double the time on the field. The amount of times Seyfarth gave away a penalty and did his signature head banging was actually comical at times.

That round 24 vs Souths one was horrible and you've definitely undersold that. it was completely poor discipline... He went into that to take Gray out, he had no intention of wrapping his arms, again completely unnecessary. Gray had kicked the ball and it was gone, the play was over (6:50 on the link below). That penalty almost cost us the game, Souths were on the comeback at that stage and he gave away a silly penalty on the last tackle when the ball had been kick and was going dead. If he doesn't do that, its a 7 tackle set with 9minutes to go and the game is essentially wrapped up.

I've used that example specifically because thats one of the biggest issues with Seyfarth and his penalties, they are completely idiotic at times and unnecessary. Its not like hes giving holding penalties on tackle zero to help the defense get set. He's giving away penalties when we are most vulnerable or already on the back foot.

At then end of the day, that many penalties for a 45minute player is unacceptable, especially for a player who doesn't offer much outside of effort and passion. He's not a great defender, slow mover laterally and isn't a try scorer or attacking weapon by any means. If he gives away penalties at the same rate as last year in his new role as an 80min edge backrower, we can expect 23-25 penalties this year which is exactly what we don't need as a team trying to fight its way off the bottom.

I'd love nothing more than for Seyfarth to turn it around and become a reliable starter for us, but he really needs to work on his discipline and defense before he can considered anything other than bench option/depth option.

 

[Canadian Club]

Yeah and you need to consider the fact Aidan Sezer played 6 less games.

According to Legz:
Sezer played 1241 minutes for 18 penalties, averaging 1 penalty per 69 minutes
Seyfarth played 1102 minutes for 13 penalites, averaging 85 minutes.
Koroisau 1631 minutes for 13 penalties, 1 per 125 minutes.
Utoikamanu 1204 minutes for 13 penalties, 1 per 92 minutes.
Klemmer 850 minutes for 7 penalties (incl. 3 in one game), 1 per 121 minutes.
Naden 637 minutes for 5 penalties, 1 per 127 minutes.
Porter 457 minutes for 4 penalties, 1 per 114 minutes
TDS 257 minutes for 3 penalties, 1 per 89 minutes
Kepaoa 109 minutes for 2 penalties, 1 per 54.5 minutes.
Johannsen 26 minutes for 1 penalty.

So he came 4th, but you could probably excuse the low minutes of Johannsen and Kepaoa. Additionally, he's only a little better than TDS and Utoikamanu.
In the trial he conceded one penalty, but so did Mason, Samuela, Latu and Kit. TDS had 3!!! His penalty was for offside as well and I went and watched it back. The angle was pretty bad so I couldn't see anything but Pole and TDS were in a straight line with Seyfarth when the camera pans to them.

I would like to see where you got this Top 3 stat from because I could quite quickly find some who played a majority of matches in the season with a worse average than 84.77.
Sezer (68.9)
Townsend (83.6)
S.Walker (84.2)
JWH (45.4)
NAS (59.9)
Jake Clifford* (58.3) (8 games)
Hopgood (79.1)
There is probably many more.

Obviously, yeah you can argue that it's still not good and that's a fair enough take but there is no need to exaggerate.

I then decided lets watch every single penalty he has received last year.
Round 4 vs Eels, Dangerous tackle. Apparently high contact but he has a loose arm which grabs the shoulder of the halfback trying to step him. Another angle may be better but commentators said "not a lot in it"
Round 4 vs Eels - Grapple. I'm assuming this is putting his hand on the players head after the tackle.
Round 6 vs Dragons - Slow Peel. His arm actually got stuck under the Dragons player you can see, but he got up as quick as he could, but not quick enough for the ref.
Round 10 vs Knights - Dangerous Tackle. Loose arm again, grabs the shoulder but hits his head while he's at it.
Round 14 vs Dragons - Other. Flanagan pushed Seyfarth and Seyfarth got angry.
Round 14 vs Dragons - Other. Double movement looking to score a try, would classify this as more of an error. Showed immediate regret and slapped himself in the head multiple times.
Round 16 vs Raiders - Offside + Sin Bin. Galvin gave away a penalty, there was a quick tap and Seyfarth instinctively reacts to the movement out the corner of his eye but then pulls away immediately. I'd classify this similar to Samuela Fainu's bin earlier in the year.
Round 18 vs Storm - Slow Peel, he was kind of held down by number 12 (fainu?) but got up as soon as the ref said so.
Round 21 vs Warriors - Late Tackle. Definite poor discipline
Round 21 vs Warriors - Offside (from kick). Yeah a bit silly here, he was like 5m offside.
Round 24 vs Rabbits - Dangerous Tackle. Definitely high, but not intentional. Hit the shoulder first then bounced up, couple cm lower and he would have hit the sweet spot.
Round 24 vs Rabbits - Shoulder Charge. Jye Gray is in space, Seyfarth comes to make the tackle, last second Gray kicks, Seyfarth tries to pull out but ends up in an awkward position as he was running it fast and tries to hug/deflect off Gray. I remember being at the game and being annoyed at the refs for that. Not poor discipline just unfortunate.
Round 25 vs Manly - Dangerous Tackle. Player runs and ducks slightly into his arm. But that's like the 3rd time I've seen a lazy arm cause a high tackle from a player stepping back on the inside.

So out of the penalties I'd say 1, 2, 4, 5, 9, 10, 13 are due to poor discipline as well as his sin bin against the dogs. He was probably unlucky with 3 of them (3, 8, 12) which will happen to everyone and double movement is a kind of annoying penalty due to him trying too hard. His penalties overall weren't that bad either which is why he was only on report 3 times (less than Api, Sezer, Klemmer).

His discipline, particularly with the lazy arms and also his responses to getting provoked (dogs, dragons games) needs improvement but I don't think it's too bad or too hard to improve overall.

In summary, the worst disciplined player on our roster currently is.... Alex Seyfarth.

 

[Tucker]

Out of curiosity, how do Seyfarth's penalty count and sin-bin rates stack up per minute played across the NRL? Just eyeballing it, I'm sure Seyfarth would be high up there. In 2024, Sezer had a shocking year, Api would be high up there because he played 80 minutes every week and really pushed the line.

In 2022 and 2023, I don't think Seyfarth played that many minutes.

I definitely think we should not have committed for 4 extra years for Alex, but despite all that I like him and he has the aggression we need. We also need someone who is a reliable defender and pushes the fitness barrrier at training. I hope Seyfarth can be that person.

24 was his worst easily but geeze he had some mates.
Sezer had an all time stinker and Api was playing frustratedly. Klemmer and Olam were in the shit a bit too.

 

[Tucker]

In summary, the worst disciplined player on our roster currently is.... Alex Seyfarth.

Only because none of Sezer, Api, Klem and Olam will be playing in round 1.

 

[Charred]

Stats for an NRL page which included 6 agains/set restarts. Sezer was also in the top 3 and is not in the NRL anymore (rightfully so). You've tried to justify nearly every penalty given... You could give the same analysis of every penalty given by any player. Api does twice as much work in almost double the time on the field. The amount of times Seyfarth gave away a penalty and did his signature head banging was actually comical at times.

That round 24 vs Souths one was horrible and you've definitely undersold that. it was completely poor discipline... He went into that to take Gray out, he had no intention of wrapping his arms, again completely unnecessary. Gray had kicked the ball and it was gone, the play was over (6:50 on the link below). That penalty almost cost us the game, Souths were on the comeback at that stage and he gave away a silly penalty on the last tackle when the ball had been kick and was going dead. If he doesn't do that, its a 7 tackle set with 9minutes to go and the game is essentially wrapped up.

I've used that example specifically because thats one of the biggest issues with Seyfarth and his penalties, they are completely idiotic at times and unnecessary. Its not like hes giving holding penalties on tackle zero to help the defense get set. He's giving away penalties when we are most vulnerable or already on the back foot.

At then end of the day, that many penalties for a 45minute player is unacceptable, especially for a player who doesn't offer much outside of effort and passion. He's not a great defender, slow mover laterally and isn't a try scorer or attacking weapon by any means. If he gives away penalties at the same rate as last year in his new role as an 80min edge backrower, we can expect 23-25 penalties this year which is exactly what we don't need as a team trying to fight its way off the bottom.

I'd love nothing more than for Seyfarth to turn it around and become a reliable starter for us, but he really needs to work on his discipline and defense before he can considered anything other than bench option/depth option.

Ok can you provide a link to this page that you've alluded to twice like I initially asked (exact quote "I would like to see where you got this Top 3 stat from"). You also said that Seyfarth was worse than Sezer but are now saying he was also in the top 3 so is Seyfarth then top 2? Anyway link please. Thanks.

I haven't tried to "justify" nearly every penalty. I'm pretty sure I said he was unlucky in 3 and also the instinctive reaction to his Canberra sin bin. The rest I think it's reasonably clear are all penalties and all due to bad discipline (except first rabbits one, it's a definite penalty but not necessarily due to poor discipline, he just missed his mark a bit). That's 4/13 and yes you could definitely apply this to every player. The stats will show it's one persons fault but in reality others could play a role (Storm penalty is an example, poor communication and too many players on the player for too long, sure Alex can take some blame but he's not the sole contributor).

Not entirely sure what your point is with Api doing double the work. It's pretty obvious he carried the team on his back to anyone. Seyfarth did a lot of work too, but as a 2ndrow/prop you would have a different physique and role to a hooker so it kind of makes sense he played just over half the minutes. Like I'm assuming you are saying Api made penalties because he had to work really hard, but it's not clear.

Head banging is fine. It shows he cares and probably suggests he was trying not to be stupid but did anyway. I'd rather they took the blame themselves than argue with the ref or try blame someone else.

I don't think I've undersold the Souths one, all you have to do is look at his body language. Here I'll show some images from the game video, but first let's do some math and I'll show all my working out for you just in case I make an error and to show where my information comes from.

So how fast is Alex Seyfarth travelling. What I have used is the youtube video (link) of the match replay, at 1:22:00-1:22:10, where the video shown should be going at real time speed as it is "live". So from when Seyfarth gets to the line running parallel to the touchline 10m out from touch until he gets to 5m from touch halfway (see image):

For that little line at the 10m mark, I've calculated (more on this soon) to be approximately 2.5m. The way I've done this is I've taken a still (below).


Then what I have done is I've measured the distance from the 20m line along these broken lines to the tryline using the pixels in the image via paint and come out with the result below.

I've attached all of the exact pixel positioning as well. The green (bad colour choice is the line in question). I've figured out the red line (it extends under the yellow line which I realize was pointless but couldn't be bothered to remove) is approximately 656.4944783 pixels long. The green line is approximately 13 x square root of 37 pixels long or 79.07591289 pixels. Then I've divided these numbers to find the ratio of the small line to the whole 20m which was 0.1204517563 and finally multiplied it by 20 to get the length to be 2.409035126m, which due to the perspective of the shot, the closer 10m is extrapolated slightly so we'll round it down to 2.4m which is a lot easier in future.

Subsequently, using a ruler to determine where approximately 5m in from the touchline. The little white line is 10m as per the standard dimensions of a rugby league field. Halfway was just before the slight change in colour gradient, due to perspective I am going to use it as a marker for the halfway though. Now given where he starts and where he finishes, it's approximately 5.54616985m. Since then, I timed with my phone the time it takes from his foot landing on the 10m out line until he gets to the change in gradient at 0.25x speed and repeated it 7 times for accuracy. I got 3.35, 3.33, 3.34, 3.17, 3.45, 3.23, 3.66, discounted the fastest and slowest time and averaged them to get 3.34s which in real time is 0.835s. Then by dividing the time by the distance in km he was approximately running 2:30 per km pace, which is 24km/h average. Now if you watch the video he slowed down a little bit before the end of the run so was probably doing high 20's to begin then low 20's at the end and his line isn't perfectly straight so chances are he runs a tiny bit faster on average (~25km/h). By the time Gray has first let the ball go to kick, Seyfarth is 2-3m from him.

Now at 20km/h being 3m away Seyfarth would have 0.45s to react at the very most. However, Gray is also running towards the path of Seyfarth so this would shorten the distance Seyfarth would actually run before hitting him. Furthermore, reaction time must be factored in to this which for most olympic level sprinters is around 0.15s. So he has 0.3s to change his path and miss Gray whilst going 20km/h and also get out the way of Galvin who's right next Gray.

So in the aftermath. If you watch from 1:22:53 slowing down the bunker replay to 0.25x, you can see him come in but actively trying to stop with his step just before Gray landing way in front of the body heel first. He then tries to rotate his body so that he can try bump off the back of Gray and avoid infringing him, but Galvin grabs at Gray and slightly pushes Seyfarth so he can't go behind, not to mention Gray is actually slowing down at this stage as well. As it all goes wrong, you can see Seyfarth is actually grabbing at Gray to try keep him up.

This is indicative of an individual who was quite clearly aiming to avoid contact after the kick was made, not of someone trying to take Gray out as you said. If he was really all about taking him out he would have followed through like you see Olam do in some of his big hits, but he quite clearly braked and was in a really unfortunate position that was borderline impossible to avoid. If Seyfarth wasn't there Souths would have almost certainly scored, but it is his effort to never give up on that he got there and saved a try.

Also the ball did not go dead, watch the video. Staines batted it out. It would have been a goal-line drop out which almost produces the exact same result these days with short drop outs.

Out of his penalties. 6/13 were in Tigers half, one of them was the sin bin one in which they already had a penalty there the only difference is he's off the field. I don't know how this compares to the rest of the competition but I'd say a 46% inside your own half would probably be about average as teams become a lot more desperate in defence on the tryline (loose arms, tripping etc.). I definitely agree that some of them are very stupid though (dragons first one and warriors first one especially).

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[Charred]

Stats for an NRL page which included 6 agains/set restarts. Sezer was also in the top 3 and is not in the NRL anymore (rightfully so). You've tried to justify nearly every penalty given... You could give the same analysis of every penalty given by any player. Api does twice as much work in almost double the time on the field. The amount of times Seyfarth gave away a penalty and did his signature head banging was actually comical at times.

That round 24 vs Souths one was horrible and you've definitely undersold that. it was completely poor discipline... He went into that to take Gray out, he had no intention of wrapping his arms, again completely unnecessary. Gray had kicked the ball and it was gone, the play was over (6:50 on the link below). That penalty almost cost us the game, Souths were on the comeback at that stage and he gave away a silly penalty on the last tackle when the ball had been kick and was going dead. If he doesn't do that, its a 7 tackle set with 9minutes to go and the game is essentially wrapped up.

I've used that example specifically because thats one of the biggest issues with Seyfarth and his penalties, they are completely idiotic at times and unnecessary. Its not like hes giving holding penalties on tackle zero to help the defense get set. He's giving away penalties when we are most vulnerable or already on the back foot.

At then end of the day, that many penalties for a 45minute player is unacceptable, especially for a player who doesn't offer much outside of effort and passion. He's not a great defender, slow mover laterally and isn't a try scorer or attacking weapon by any means. If he gives away penalties at the same rate as last year in his new role as an 80min edge backrower, we can expect 23-25 penalties this year which is exactly what we don't need as a team trying to fight its way off the bottom.

I'd love nothing more than for Seyfarth to turn it around and become a reliable starter for us, but he really needs to work on his discipline and defense before he can considered anything other than bench option/depth option.

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I'd have to disagree on the 2nd last para. Sure his penalty count is pretty high but so are many others within the league as I very quickly showed before. His effort and passion are definitely his best qualities which is why I think we've seen such a positive upturn in all (not penalties) of his statistics last year and playing 23 games in the season. His defence was at a 94.52% efficiency (NRL site), higher than Fainu at 90%, Papali'i at 92% and Bateman at 94.09% who all played backrow. Additionally, he was making more tackles per minute than all of those guys at 0.55 (Papali'i 0.51, Bateman 0.43, Fainu 0.41). In terms of attack, I would agree for sure he's not that big of a threat but he can be. However, when our biggest weakness last year was our defence I'd rather he's a better defender than attacker especially with Sammy on the other side. Anyway, regardless Seyfarth made significant improvements in attack with 4 tries last year compared to 2 in his first 47 games. 21 tackle breaks, 9 more than the previous year at a greater average, 16 offloads (double the previous year) and averaging 75 metres (previously 49, 40, 59 and 39). If we compare some of these stats to the other backrowers:
Tries: Papali'i and Sammy scored 5 tries each (Sam had 500 more minutes than Seyfarth, Paps 100 less), Bateman none.
Line Breaks: Fainu 6, Seyfarth 4, Papali'i 4, Bateman 1
Avg. Run metres: From Legz per minute Papali'i was 1.63, Seyfarth 1.54, Bateman 1.31, Fainu 1.3
Avg. PCM as % of run metres: 44% Fainu, 42.3% Papali'i, 40.2% Seyfarth, Bateman 34.3%
Tackle Breaks (per game): Fainu 35 (1.52), Papali'i 33 (2.09), Seyfarth 21 (0.91), Bateman 19 (1.58)
Offloads (per game): Bateman 23 (1.92), Seyfarth 16 (0.70), Papali'i 12 (0.75), Fainu 11 (0.48)

Also because we are talking stats let's bring in errors. 1st Fainu 12 (0.52 per game), Bateman 11 (0.92 per game), Papali'i 9 (0.56 per game), Seyfarth 6 (0.26 per game).
If we combine with Penalties then Seyfarth has 19 negative plays, Fainu 18, Papali'i 16 and Bateman 17, with Papali'i and Bateman averaging more per game than Seyfarth, although Seyfarth comes 2nd to Bateman per minute.
P.S I didn't initially include Porter as I couldn't find him initially, but he is consistently 4th or 5th in 90% of stats.

Pretty much the stats say that his defence is better than all of our backrowers from last year, and his attack is slightly worse than Fainu and Papali'i but miles better than Bateman.

I think overall Seyfarth is a reliable player and does his job very well, however, his discipline is definitely a concern and a very obvious weakness. If he can sort this out which hopefully shouldn't be too hard then he should be in for a very good season.
Finally, responding to your last message.
Statistically him and TDS are the worst disciplined on our roster currently based on 2024 and the Pre season trials. However, most teams would have at least 1 player with under 90 minutes per penalty in their line up (from check, Dogs, Storm, Roosters, Cowboys, Eels, Dolphins, Raiders, Dragons, Souths and I stopped checking there as that is more than half the teams). So realistically, it's not too bad of a squad position to be in and hopefully these two can work on their discipline.

 

[old_man_tiger]

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I'd have to disagree on the 2nd last para. Sure his penalty count is pretty high but so are many others within the league as I very quickly showed before. His effort and passion are definitely his best qualities which is why I think we've seen such a positive upturn in all (not penalties) of his statistics last year and playing 23 games in the season. His defence was at a 94.52% efficiency (NRL site), higher than Fainu at 90%, Papali'i at 92% and Bateman at 94.09% who all played backrow. Additionally, he was making more tackles per minute than all of those guys at 0.55 (Papali'i 0.51, Bateman 0.43, Fainu 0.41). In terms of attack, I would agree for sure he's not that big of a threat but he can be. However, when our biggest weakness last year was our defence I'd rather he's a better defender than attacker especially with Sammy on the other side. Anyway, regardless Seyfarth made significant improvements in attack with 4 tries last year compared to 2 in his first 47 games. 21 tackle breaks, 9 more than the previous year at a greater average, 16 offloads (double the previous year) and averaging 75 metres (previously 49, 40, 59 and 39). If we compare some of these stats to the other backrowers:
Tries: Papali'i and Sammy scored 5 tries each (Sam had 500 more minutes than Seyfarth, Paps 100 less), Bateman none.
Line Breaks: Fainu 6, Seyfarth 4, Papali'i 4, Bateman 1
Avg. Run metres: From Legz per minute Papali'i was 1.63, Seyfarth 1.54, Bateman 1.31, Fainu 1.3
Avg. PCM as % of run metres: 44% Fainu, 42.3% Papali'i, 40.2% Seyfarth, Bateman 34.3%
Tackle Breaks (per game): Fainu 35 (1.52), Papali'i 33 (2.09), Seyfarth 21 (0.91), Bateman 19 (1.58)
Offloads (per game): Bateman 23 (1.92), Seyfarth 16 (0.70), Papali'i 12 (0.75), Fainu 11 (0.48)

Also because we are talking stats let's bring in errors. 1st Fainu 12 (0.52 per game), Bateman 11 (0.92 per game), Papali'i 9 (0.56 per game), Seyfarth 6 (0.26 per game).
If we combine with Penalties then Seyfarth has 19 negative plays, Fainu 18, Papali'i 16 and Bateman 17, with Papali'i and Bateman averaging more per game than Seyfarth, although Seyfarth comes 2nd to Bateman per minute.
P.S I didn't initially include Porter as I couldn't find him initially, but he is consistently 4th or 5th in 90% of stats.

Pretty much the stats say that his defence is better than all of our backrowers from last year, and his attack is slightly worse than Fainu and Papali'i but miles better than Bateman.

I think overall Seyfarth is a reliable player and does his job very well, however, his discipline is definitely a concern and a very obvious weakness. If he can sort this out which hopefully shouldn't be too hard then he should be in for a very good season.
Finally, responding to your last message.
Statistically him and TDS are the worst disciplined on our roster currently based on 2024 and the Pre season trials. However, most teams would have at least 1 player with under 90 minutes per penalty in their line up (from check, Dogs, Storm, Roosters, Cowboys, Eels, Dolphins, Raiders, Dragons, Souths and I stopped checking there as that is more than half the teams). So realistically, it's not too bad of a squad position to be in and hopefully these two can work on their discipline.

This is phenomenal analysis whether I agree or not is irrelevant well done

 

[Merlot]

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I'd have to disagree on the 2nd last para. Sure his penalty count is pretty high but so are many others within the league as I very quickly showed before. His effort and passion are definitely his best qualities which is why I think we've seen such a positive upturn in all (not penalties) of his statistics last year and playing 23 games in the season. His defence was at a 94.52% efficiency (NRL site), higher than Fainu at 90%, Papali'i at 92% and Bateman at 94.09% who all played backrow. Additionally, he was making more tackles per minute than all of those guys at 0.55 (Papali'i 0.51, Bateman 0.43, Fainu 0.41). In terms of attack, I would agree for sure he's not that big of a threat but he can be. However, when our biggest weakness last year was our defence I'd rather he's a better defender than attacker especially with Sammy on the other side. Anyway, regardless Seyfarth made significant improvements in attack with 4 tries last year compared to 2 in his first 47 games. 21 tackle breaks, 9 more than the previous year at a greater average, 16 offloads (double the previous year) and averaging 75 metres (previously 49, 40, 59 and 39). If we compare some of these stats to the other backrowers:
Tries: Papali'i and Sammy scored 5 tries each (Sam had 500 more minutes than Seyfarth, Paps 100 less), Bateman none.
Line Breaks: Fainu 6, Seyfarth 4, Papali'i 4, Bateman 1
Avg. Run metres: From Legz per minute Papali'i was 1.63, Seyfarth 1.54, Bateman 1.31, Fainu 1.3
Avg. PCM as % of run metres: 44% Fainu, 42.3% Papali'i, 40.2% Seyfarth, Bateman 34.3%
Tackle Breaks (per game): Fainu 35 (1.52), Papali'i 33 (2.09), Seyfarth 21 (0.91), Bateman 19 (1.58)
Offloads (per game): Bateman 23 (1.92), Seyfarth 16 (0.70), Papali'i 12 (0.75), Fainu 11 (0.48)

Also because we are talking stats let's bring in errors. 1st Fainu 12 (0.52 per game), Bateman 11 (0.92 per game), Papali'i 9 (0.56 per game), Seyfarth 6 (0.26 per game).
If we combine with Penalties then Seyfarth has 19 negative plays, Fainu 18, Papali'i 16 and Bateman 17, with Papali'i and Bateman averaging more per game than Seyfarth, although Seyfarth comes 2nd to Bateman per minute.
P.S I didn't initially include Porter as I couldn't find him initially, but he is consistently 4th or 5th in 90% of stats.

Pretty much the stats say that his defence is better than all of our backrowers from last year, and his attack is slightly worse than Fainu and Papali'i but miles better than Bateman.

I think overall Seyfarth is a reliable player and does his job very well, however, his discipline is definitely a concern and a very obvious weakness. If he can sort this out which hopefully shouldn't be too hard then he should be in for a very good season.
Finally, responding to your last message.
Statistically him and TDS are the worst disciplined on our roster currently based on 2024 and the Pre season trials. However, most teams would have at least 1 player with under 90 minutes per penalty in their line up (from check, Dogs, Storm, Roosters, Cowboys, Eels, Dolphins, Raiders, Dragons, Souths and I stopped checking there as that is more than half the teams). So realistically, it's not too bad of a squad position to be in and hopefully these two can work on their discipline.

Take a bow ,hell ,take two

 

[Tucker]

Great reply @Charred, that is an excellent analysis strongly backed up with data. There is a logical trail to follow if people want to debate.
We as Tigers fans have been conditioned to use emotion more than data due to the shocking performances of our club over the past quarter century. Objective analysis is better for our sanity.

 

[Canadian Club]

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I'd have to disagree on the 2nd last para. Sure his penalty count is pretty high but so are many others within the league as I very quickly showed before. His effort and passion are definitely his best qualities which is why I think we've seen such a positive upturn in all (not penalties) of his statistics last year and playing 23 games in the season. His defence was at a 94.52% efficiency (NRL site), higher than Fainu at 90%, Papali'i at 92% and Bateman at 94.09% who all played backrow. Additionally, he was making more tackles per minute than all of those guys at 0.55 (Papali'i 0.51, Bateman 0.43, Fainu 0.41). In terms of attack, I would agree for sure he's not that big of a threat but he can be. However, when our biggest weakness last year was our defence I'd rather he's a better defender than attacker especially with Sammy on the other side. Anyway, regardless Seyfarth made significant improvements in attack with 4 tries last year compared to 2 in his first 47 games. 21 tackle breaks, 9 more than the previous year at a greater average, 16 offloads (double the previous year) and averaging 75 metres (previously 49, 40, 59 and 39). If we compare some of these stats to the other backrowers:
Tries: Papali'i and Sammy scored 5 tries each (Sam had 500 more minutes than Seyfarth, Paps 100 less), Bateman none.
Line Breaks: Fainu 6, Seyfarth 4, Papali'i 4, Bateman 1
Avg. Run metres: From Legz per minute Papali'i was 1.63, Seyfarth 1.54, Bateman 1.31, Fainu 1.3
Avg. PCM as % of run metres: 44% Fainu, 42.3% Papali'i, 40.2% Seyfarth, Bateman 34.3%
Tackle Breaks (per game): Fainu 35 (1.52), Papali'i 33 (2.09), Seyfarth 21 (0.91), Bateman 19 (1.58)
Offloads (per game): Bateman 23 (1.92), Seyfarth 16 (0.70), Papali'i 12 (0.75), Fainu 11 (0.48)

Also because we are talking stats let's bring in errors. 1st Fainu 12 (0.52 per game), Bateman 11 (0.92 per game), Papali'i 9 (0.56 per game), Seyfarth 6 (0.26 per game).
If we combine with Penalties then Seyfarth has 19 negative plays, Fainu 18, Papali'i 16 and Bateman 17, with Papali'i and Bateman averaging more per game than Seyfarth, although Seyfarth comes 2nd to Bateman per minute.
P.S I didn't initially include Porter as I couldn't find him initially, but he is consistently 4th or 5th in 90% of stats.

Pretty much the stats say that his defence is better than all of our backrowers from last year, and his attack is slightly worse than Fainu and Papali'i but miles better than Bateman.

I think overall Seyfarth is a reliable player and does his job very well, however, his discipline is definitely a concern and a very obvious weakness. If he can sort this out which hopefully shouldn't be too hard then he should be in for a very good season.
Finally, responding to your last message.
Statistically him and TDS are the worst disciplined on our roster currently based on 2024 and the Pre season trials. However, most teams would have at least 1 player with under 90 minutes per penalty in their line up (from check, Dogs, Storm, Roosters, Cowboys, Eels, Dolphins, Raiders, Dragons, Souths and I stopped checking there as that is more than half the teams). So realistically, it's not too bad of a squad position to be in and hopefully these two can work on their discipline.

I know I’m against the majority here, and that’s mainly because people want to be optimistic and hopeful which is fair and understandable, but I stick by my views. Credit to you, you’ve done some great analysis but you have cherry picked some stats to suit the argument without giving full context and there’s some big flaws that you probably should acknowledge.

Comparing backrowers like Fainu and Papali’i who generally play 80mins against a player who averaged 45mins and played out on the edge and middle is misleading. Really need to look at stats based on minutes not per game and consider where those minutes were played. Once you factor in average minutes and acknowledge reps (runs) the error averages are all fairly even. I don’t think errors are a big part of his game so I don’t even know why we are talking about them anyway. His issues are defense and discipline. I think most fans would agree these are his weak points.

We’ve acknowledge that he is the worst disciplined currently in the squad even by your own metrics. Talyn is just behind but he’s also 19 and only had one full year in first grade. Seyfarth has been around long enough.

I hate the tackle efficiency stat, it’s the most misleading stat in the entire game and fans seem to love it. Tackle efficiency doesn’t take into account tackles that you miss completely or bad reads that create overlaps.

Seyfarth is a poor edge defender due to his decision making and poor lateral movement. Specifically he rushes out of the line and often gets beaten completely by halves which then results in a 4 on 3 overlap. Often the winger scores and people blame the winger but it’s actually the men inside making poor decisions which create the overlap. He also does this on the line, rushing out and the forward or dummy half will go in in touched. These don’t count as “misses tackles” because a tackle wasn’t attempted. Even in your earlier post you mention a couple of his penalties were high shots because he had a stray arm, that’s because he’s rushing up and getting caught on the inside or outside by quicker players.

I’ve spoken to a friend who is a player a rival club about this (what they look at in defensive lines and structures) and he’s said specifically that his team identified that tendency with Seyfarth (along with some other players in the league). They have targeted him and had success with this. Also spoke about another player who they target a specific shoulder and line. But he mentioned that Seyfarth and the other player are the two easiest to exploit.

Defense is the hardest to assess stat wise because there is so much more to it than just a tackle attempt. It’s more to do with the eye test. You’ll find some of the players that are know for being terrible defenders have decent tackle efficiencies, while some of the better defenders have worst efficiencies than you’d think.

Like I said, he needs to work on decision making (not rushing, making bad reads) and work on his lateral movement, as backrowers require quick side to side movement to account for the quicker players on the edge.

As always, you’re entitled to your opinion. I’d like to be as optimistic about Seyfarth as you but I’m just going off what I’ve personally seen over his 4-5 years. Would love for him to prove me wrong this season!