Alex Seyfarth #232

Why do you hate him so much .? The issue isn’t he’s shit … cause he’s honestly not . The issue is he’s not a starting nrl middle or edge . Hes exactly what you want from player 16-22 on your roster … any higher for any long periods of time and your team is in trouble , and simply hes not signing onto your team for a roster spot below 22 . This will be the first year since really his rookie year that I think his talent level and the overall depth of the squad should put him exactly where he belongs , end of the bench / 18th man .

I don’t hate him as a person, just as a first grade NRL player. Believe it or not, I was a big believer when I first saw him coming through NYC and NSW Cup.

I hate that he’s heavily featured in the team despite barely improving in 6 seasons, that he’s a liability in attack 90% of the time and that he’s still giving away the dumb penalties and mistakes. And yes he is shit, and I’ve posted the stats that prove that. His only good quality is his defence yet his stats in that area regressed this season and his side of the field leaked points all throughout the season although that’s not all his fault. The eye test alone shows him losing contact in both attack and defence.

Reality is he would not even be sniffing first grade for a competitive team fighting for a top 8 spot. We are the only club who would’ve given this guy a chance after his second season. I get we've struggled for depth at times but he has been a liability for most of his career yet inexplicably has a cult following on here who were at one point saying we shouldn’t Angus Crichton because we had Alex Seyfarth.
 
I don’t hate him as a person, just as a first grade NRL player. Believe it or not, I was a big believer when I first saw him coming through NYC and NSW Cup.

I hate that he’s heavily featured in the team despite barely improving in 6 seasons, that he’s a liability in attack 90% of the time and that he’s still giving away the dumb penalties and mistakes. And yes he is shit, and I’ve posted the stats that prove that. His only good quality is his defence yet his stats in that area regressed this season and his side of the field leaked points all throughout the season although that’s not all his fault with To’a there. The eye test alone shows him losing contact in both attack and defence.

Reality is he would not even be sniffing first grade for a competitive team fighting for a top 8 spot. We are the only club who would’ve given this guy a chance after his second season. I get we've struggled for depth at times but he has been a liability for most of his career yet inexplicably has a cult following on here who were at one point saying we shouldn’t Angus Crichton because we had Alex Seyfarth.
Both the Warriors & Bulldogs (teams who have played finals) offered him deals which he rejected & actually took unders to stay.
 
I think Seyf can be a dope and we can all agree with the penalties and silliness.

But he's got better each year and has always had a dig.

Hope he can prove a few wrong in a simplified role in 2026.

He makes my bench every week but never as a starter (it is not his fault we have bugger all depth)
 
Both the Warriors & Bulldogs (teams who have played finals) offered him deals which he rejected & actually took unders to stay.


I remember the Warriors deal but not the Dogs the Warriors was 450K a year for 3 years and he stay for unders I would imagine he would be on around 375K at the Tigers
 
Both the Warriors & Bulldogs (teams who have played finals) offered him deals which he rejected & actually took unders to stay.

You really are quite the spin artist. That was in 2023 when he was offered a contract with the Warriors (according to Seyfarth), and it was rumoured that Canterbury were interested, not that he been offered a deal. Canterbury hadn’t played finals since 2016 and wouldn’t again until 2024 while Warriors had only just made their first finals series in 5 years.
 
So you reckon your weakest players will lose you a game moreso than your strongest players will win you a game ?
It doesn’t work that way for teams such as the Broncos , Panthers, Storm, Raiders or any of the teams that made the top 8 in 2025 for that matter.
All I ever hear is excuses as to why our highest paid players cannot get us enough wins, when will the excuses stop and they actually get us more wins than losses ?
Lestrong is right:
", most infamously the Naden game , and the Mason game . Youre only as strong as your weakest link "

It's not like the amatuer days of the NRL anymore. We saw Samoa vs NZ and Samoa was leading... But weak in the backline. BOOM targetted.

Like you say, it doesn't work that way for the: Broncos, Panthers, Storm and Raiders.
Have you seen their reserve grade? (except Raiders)
Broncos vs Storm 2024 had a game with over 15 players out. It was still like a first grade game with many names stepping up that would walk in on our side. Same with Penrith, they have juniors coming out of everywhere.

Yes our stars own their defense. But we are only as strong as our weakest link! If our winger, Forward or any player can't defend. They will be targetted.

The days where a Fulton or Ellis could defend and tackle on both sides of the field are gone*.


*please no one say "we need more DEPTH" I will scream. We had Staines/Naden/various other fringe grade depth that often did not tackle or hold the line. Yes we need a player outside the 17 that can defend and fill in a gap, Till we get the first grade squad holding the line. no point.
 
The only time I think he's a problem is when he contributes to a loss mate, my argument is there is a few in front of him at the moment that will be pushing for selection and Benji should be picking the most worthy over the summer.

For me I think he will be down the pecking order after trials.
Unless one or more of our younger emerging players excel during the pre season and impress enough during the trials to demand a spot on our top 17, our bench when at full strength will likely include 3 players out of Sione Fainu, Royce Hunt, Bunty Afoa, Alex seyfarth and Jack Bird.
Based on 2025 you would assume Sione Fainu will be an automatic selection , so the other 4 will battle for 2 bench spots.
As I’ve said previously I don’t think our defence will benefit from having both Royce Hunt and Bunty Afoa in our top 17, it will likely be one of the other.
Don’t think we have any . I think richo has done an amazing job filling out the roster . Most except say the wing Craig and Saukuru ( he took a leap last year once permanently moved into the back row ,so if he trains well he could an option by the end of the year ) are definitely playable in nrl . And im talking about players 22-30 . Previous years it was players 15-17. This will be where the most improvement will come from .
Your lack of understanding about what you’re watching , yet having such strong opinions is weird .
It was absolutely no coincidence , that once May was outside luai , that that edge opened up all of a sudden .
Or when toa was in good form down the left there was lots of points . If you carry someone teams don’t respect , they will slide off them , and concentrate their efforts on other players . So funnily this is a seyfarth thread , but so if you’re carrying a busted toa, and seyfarth , who is basically there for defence , teams can move early into Bula and AD/latu, totally killing any chance to create . Sms thing was happening down the other edge when we were lying merry go rounds trying to find combinations , teams where closing down luais space and collapsing round Samuela , limiting his damage with the runs . When we got may , it forced defences to hold up ….and now there was space. It then becomes about taking the right options ..l and wouldn’t you know it , the NSW 6 started to look like it .
i was calling for the Taylan May signing long before anyone else on this forum, so I’m well aware what he offers.
We could have Bugs Bunny playing 5/8 on our left and Taylan May would still make a valuable contribution.
Sure Luai started playing better late in the season and started forming a good combination with Samuela Fainu and Taylan May in particular, but he still wasn’t taking ownership and making good decisions on our 5th tackle on a regular basis, surely you acknowledge that’s a concern and something he has to do much better in 2026 if we are to improve ?
As I keep saying time will tell, but I simply do not think Luai and Bula are as good as many on this forum think they are.
If I’m wrong and other are right, there are no more excuses they have to start being much more dominant much more often in 2026 and if that happens it should play a vital role in more wins.
Yes they need the assstance and all 17 players to contribute and not be passengers, but as you have just stated that should not be a problem in 2026.
The point I continue to make in this Alex Seyfarth thread is his 10-30 minute cameo appearance each week if he’s in our top 17 at all will not make or break us in 2026, contrary to what sone people want to believe.
 
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I don’t hate him as a person, just as a first grade NRL player. Believe it or not, I was a big believer when I first saw him coming through NYC and NSW Cup.

I hate that he’s heavily featured in the team despite barely improving in 6 seasons, that he’s a liability in attack 90% of the time and that he’s still giving away the dumb penalties and mistakes. And yes he is shit, and I’ve posted the stats that prove that. His only good quality is his defence yet his stats in that area regressed this season and his side of the field leaked points all throughout the season although that’s not all his fault. The eye test alone shows him losing contact in both attack and defence.

Reality is he would not even be sniffing first grade for a competitive team fighting for a top 8 spot. We are the only club who would’ve given this guy a chance after his second season. I get we've struggled for depth at times but he has been a liability for most of his career yet inexplicably has a cult following on here who were at one point saying we shouldn’t Angus Crichton because we had Alex Seyfarth.
Nah that’s simply not true bro . The warriors went in hard for him last contract negotiation but he doesn’t want to leave Sydney . Same for the dogs . What squad position was offered ? Well who knows , but the truth is as much as you may dislike him , he is valued in nrl circles . I agree though , if he’s in your starting 13 and you planned for it , IMO you’re basically saying I love to lose . Bench role , glue guy for the squad . That’s his spot .
 
Unless one or more of our younger emerging players excel during the pre season and impress enough during the trials to demand a spot on our top 17, our bench when at full strength will likely include 3 players out of Sione Fainu, Royce Hunt, Bunty Afoa, Alex seyfarth and Jack Bird.
Based on 2025 you would assume Sione Fainu will be an automatic selection , so the other 4 will battle for 2 bench spots.
As I’ve said previously I don’t think our defence will benefit from having both Royce Hunt and Bunty Afoa in our top 17, it will likely be one of the other.

i was calling for the Taylan May signing long before anyone else on this forum, so I’m well aware what he offers.
We could have Bugs Bunny playing 5/8 on our left and Taylan May would still make a valuable contribution.
Sure Luai started playing better late in the season and started forming a good combination with Samuela Fainu and Taylan May in particular, but he still wasn’t taking ownership and making good decisions on our 5th tackle on a regular basis, surely you acknowledge that’s a concern and something he has to do much better in 2026 if we are to improve ?
As I keep saying time will tell, but I simply do not think Luai and Bula are as good as many on this forum think they are.
If I’m wrong and other are right, there are no more excuses they have to start being much more dominant much more often in 2026 and if that happens it should play a vital role in more wins.
Yes they need the assstance and all 17 players to contribute and not be passengers, but as you have just stated that should not be a problem in 2026.
The point I continue to make in this Alex Seyfarth thread is his 10-30 minute cameo appearance each week if he’s in our top 17 at all will not make or break us in 2026, contrary to what sone people want to believe.
Bula isn’t in this teams top 3 players . By next season I’m hoping Makasini and Haywood have pushed through , as well as the may brothers .
Have you ever played in the halves ? It’s difficult , especially if the other team has realised that’s where all the creativity is coming from. They limit space , make you put the ball in other people’s hands sooner than you want . If you have options that have thier own gravity , all of sudden there’s space for you . That’s what May provided down the left . Now teams will factor him in , which means they will be really picking thier poison down that left .
It’s all connected like I keep saying . You can’t have a player who the opposition doesn’t really mark . It pretty much kills your attack . You’re talking micro seconds . That’s the difference between great attack and meh attack .
Teams like the raiders and bulldogs , have proven a star team is always better than a team of stars . As great as those teams were , how many bulldogs players are genuinely in your top 20 ? I honestly have 1. Chricton.
As for the raiders , I honestly have 1 has well in Tapine .
For me the top 20 players in the game are as follows ; 1. Walsh . Tedesco. Cleary, Hass , Munster , Hughes , Tapine , Grant , Yeo, Carrigan , Hammer, luai , Chricton , Metcalf , Ponga, Lomax(gone now),Mitchell(be much higher if he got on the field ) Hynes , Edward’s , Angus . I’m sure I’m forgetting someone .
The storm have had the same model since the day they started 3- 4 gun players then a bunch of journeymen around them , most being elevated to “gun” by thier play for them , when they leave they return back to norm. Thier talent identification at both ends of the spectrum , especially the back end is to be applauded . They’ve currently got guys like Nick Meaney , king Seve even Shawn blore , guys who were on thier third nrl team by the time the storm had them .
You could say in Blore case the potential was always there for all to see , but the whole nrl didn’t see it in Meaney and Seve . We were offered Meaney and went down the Laurie path . He went to the dogs who said thanks but no thanks after a year or two .
Even thier stars , guys like Cronk and now Hughes and Munster , neither of which had the “next big thing tag” I don’t even think Munster made any rep teams in the lower grades . Man anyone can go to any footy match in Australia and point out the best player on the field , as being the one who scores all the points. But when you really look, in a lot of cases the reason the team wins is because all 17 are doing thier job , bought in and know thier role . As Ponga has found out this last year … you can’t do it by yourself . Especially when your number 2 , and 3 stars are so enigmatic as is the case in best and Safiti .
 
Bula isn’t in this teams top 3 players . By next season I’m hoping Makasini and Haywood have pushed through , as well as the may brothers .
Have you ever played in the halves ? It’s difficult , especially if the other team has realised that’s where all the creativity is coming from. They limit space , make you put the ball in other people’s hands sooner than you want . If you have options that have thier own gravity , all of sudden there’s space for you . That’s what May provided down the left . Now teams will factor him in , which means they will be really picking thier poison down that left .
It’s all connected like I keep saying . You can’t have a player who the opposition doesn’t really mark . It pretty much kills your attack . You’re talking micro seconds . That’s the difference between great attack and meh attack .
Teams like the raiders and bulldogs , have proven a star team is always better than a team of stars . As great as those teams were , how many bulldogs players are genuinely in your top 20 ? I honestly have 1. Chricton.
As for the raiders , I honestly have 1 has well in Tapine .
For me the top 20 players in the game are as follows ; 1. Walsh . Tedesco. Cleary, Hass , Munster , Hughes , Tapine , Grant , Yeo, Carrigan , Hammer, luai , Chricton , Metcalf , Ponga, Lomax(gone now),Mitchell(be much higher if he got on the field ) Hynes , Edward’s , Angus . I’m sure I’m forgetting someone .
The storm have had the same model since the day they started 3- 4 gun players then a bunch of journeymen around them , most being elevated to “gun” by thier play for them , when they leave they return back to norm. Thier talent identification at both ends of the spectrum , especially the back end is to be applauded . They’ve currently got guys like Nick Meaney , king Seve even Shawn blore , guys who were on thier third nrl team by the time the storm had them .
You could say in Blore case the potential was always there for all to see , but the whole nrl didn’t see it in Meaney and Seve . We were offered Meaney and went down the Laurie path . He went to the dogs who said thanks but no thanks after a year or two .
Even thier stars , guys like Cronk and now Hughes and Munster , neither of which had the “next big thing tag” I don’t even think Munster made any rep teams in the lower grades . Man anyone can go to any footy match in Australia and point out the best player on the field , as being the one who scores all the points. But when you really look, in a lot of cases the reason the team wins is because all 17 are doing thier job , bought in and know thier role . As Ponga has found out this last year … you can’t do it by yourself . Especially when your number 2 , and 3 stars are so enigmatic as is the case in best and Safiti .
Ponga did win the Dally M a couple of seasons back with virtually the same team around him.
Moses, Dearden, Brown to name a few would appear in many too 20 player lists well before Luai based on form from the 2025 season and the end of season internationals.
I agree on you stating it is much harder for halves to have time and space to excel when there are limited attacking threats in their team.
As you have been saying, our overall best 17 looks a lot stronger in 2026, so no more excuses, it’s time for our highly paid players to play up to their price tags.
 
Nah that’s simply not true bro . The warriors went in hard for him last contract negotiation but he doesn’t want to leave Sydney . Same for the dogs . What squad position was offered ? Well who knows , but the truth is as much as you may dislike him , he is valued in nrl circles . I agree though , if he’s in your starting 13 and you planned for it , IMO you’re basically saying I love to lose . Bench role , glue guy for the squad . That’s his spot .

Sorry mate but the eye test and his stats say it is an objective fact despite what his little cult claim (not including you in that btw). The Warrior's offered him a contract, that’s not going hard. Bumping up the offer after he rejected it due to wanting to remain in Sydney would’ve been going hard and you don’t do that for a bench player which he was at the time, at best. And how is it the same for the Dogs since they’re also a Sydney club, that makes no sense. Besides, there was never any reporting that I’m aware of that said he was offered a contract at the Dogs, just that it was rumoured they were interested.

And even if I’m generous and grant you that the Dogs did offer him a contract, i seriously doubt it would’ve been more than what we offered. Otherwise, he would’ve taken it seeing as he just had a kid at the time and it would’ve allowed him to stay in Sydney which was apparently the only reason he turned down the Warriors offer.

To say he is valued in NRL is a massive exaggeration to say the least since you’ve largely based that on him a being offered a contract over two years ago.

And no, his spot is in Cup as depth/injury cover at best if we have a competent forward pack which I know is a big if at our club. He provides no impact off the bench and definitely none as a starter.
 
Sorry mate but the eye test and his stats say it is an objective fact despite what his little cult claim (not including you in that btw). The Warrior's offered him a contract, that’s not going hard. Bumping up the offer after he rejected it due to wanting to remain in Sydney would’ve been going hard and you don’t do that for a bench player which he was at the time, at best. And how is it the same for the Dogs since they’re also a Sydney club, that makes no sense. Besides, there was never any reporting that I’m aware of that said he was offered a contract at the Dogs, just that it was rumoured they were interested.

And even if I’m generous and grant you that the Dogs did offer him a contract, i seriously doubt it would’ve been more than what we offered. Otherwise, he would’ve taken it seeing as he just had a kid at the time and it would’ve allowed him to stay in Sydney which was apparently the only reason he turned down the Warriors offer.

To say he is valued in NRL is a massive exaggeration to say the least since you’ve largely based that on him a being offered a contract over two years ago.

And no, his spot is in Cup as depth/injury cover at best if we have a competent forward pack which I know is a big if at our club. He provides no impact off the bench and definitely none as a starter.
Your argument was that no top 8 team would want Seyfarth in their side and yet you're now acknowledging that two top 8 teams actually made a play for him.
 
Sorry mate but the eye test and his stats say it is an objective fact despite what his little cult claim (not including you in that btw). The Warrior's offered him a contract, that’s not going hard. Bumping up the offer after he rejected it due to wanting to remain in Sydney would’ve been going hard and you don’t do that for a bench player which he was at the time, at best. And how is it the same for the Dogs since they’re also a Sydney club, that makes no sense. Besides, there was never any reporting that I’m aware of that said he was offered a contract at the Dogs, just that it was rumoured they were interested.

And even if I’m generous and grant you that the Dogs did offer him a contract, i seriously doubt it would’ve been more than what we offered. Otherwise, he would’ve taken it seeing as he just had a kid at the time and it would’ve allowed him to stay in Sydney which was apparently the only reason he turned down the Warriors offer.

To say he is valued in NRL is a massive exaggeration to say the least since you’ve largely based that on him a being offered a contract over two years ago.

And no, his spot is in Cup as depth/injury cover at best if we have a competent forward pack which I know is a big if at our club. He provides no impact off the bench and definitely none as a starter.
I guess the issue here is the classification of the word “valued”. Ie. would an nrl team offer him a nrl contract if he was released right this day . And I think he would get multiple top 30 offers . To me that says valued , when for example guys like Staines and Whoever didn’t even get that .
But do I think a team is like “we signed Seyfarth , next stop October!!!”…. No I don’t . I think that’s what you mean. Like he’d instantly become a core player if he left here .
 
Your argument was that no top 8 team would want Seyfarth in their side and yet you're now acknowledging that two top 8 teams actually made a play for him.
Like I said , I think the devil is in the detail here . From what I can tell , Batman from my experiences with him over the years , can get hyper fixated on words , and has a different interpretation sometimes about certain words . For example we battled for years about Luke Brooks because of a statement I made once , where I chose the wrong wording/I couldn’t find the right way to phrase what I wanted to say … and it came out really poorly . He was aggrieved by what I said , but it wasn’t until we chatted about what I was trying to say , and I guess there was trust that both sides were arguing in good faith ( which is really important on here as guys will argue shit to stir people up, to win some argument they don’t believe in , create tension for users they don’t like etc. ) , that you find some common ground .
We even argued about Seyfarth in the past , but once he saw that I was closer to agreeing with him , but just differed on 1 clear fact . I think Seyfarth is valuable (to the definition I explained above) and he doesn’t at all . Which is fine .
Some of these arguments we have wouldn’t even be a thing if had in a pub. Like I call bullshit a lot , but if you actually saw the way I delivered it in my head , I’m not sure offence would be taken like it is on here .
 
I guess the issue here is the classification of the word “valued”. Ie. would an nrl team offer him a nrl contract if he was released right this day . And I think he would get multiple top 30 offers . To me that says valued , when for example guys like Staines and Whoever didn’t even get that .
But do I think a team is like “we signed Seyfarth , next stop October!!!”…. No I don’t . I think that’s what you mean. Like he’d instantly become a core player if he left here .

Yeah that’s fair enough regarding the classification of valued. I’ll concede he might be offered a top 30 spot elsewhere although I doubt it would be for a top team and he wouldn’t be near the top 17 unless due to injury.

Definitely agree he wouldn’t be a core player if he left, especially after the last two season but I’ll leave it there as it’s been done to death
 
Like I said , I think the devil is in the detail here . From what I can tell , Batman from my experiences with him over the years , can get hyper fixated on words , and has a different interpretation sometimes about certain words . For example we battled for years about Luke Brooks because of a statement I made once , where I chose the wrong wording/I couldn’t find the right way to phrase what I wanted to say … and it came out really poorly . He was aggrieved by what I said , but it wasn’t until we chatted about what I was trying to say , and I guess there was trust that both sides were arguing in good faith ( which is really important on here as guys will argue shit to stir people up, to win some argument they don’t believe in , create tension for users they don’t like etc. ) , that you find some common ground .
We even argued about Seyfarth in the past , but once he saw that I was closer to agreeing with him , but just differed on 1 clear fact . I think Seyfarth is valuable (to the definition I explained above) and he doesn’t at all . Which is fine .
Some of these arguments we have wouldn’t even be a thing if had in a pub. Like I call bullshit a lot , but if you actually saw the way I delivered it in my head , I’m not sure offence would be taken like it is on here .

You and I have got heated over the years but I never thought you were arguing in bad faith which I appreciated. And like you said, we even found common ground after we explained both our positions more and agreed to disagree on some things (Brooks and Seyfarth). You’ll be shocked to k ow I’m very argumentative but I’ll hear anyone out provided it’s in good faith.
 
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Your argument was that no top 8 team would want Seyfarth in their side and yet you're now acknowledging that two top 8 teams actually made a play for him.

Yet another example of you being bad faith as I already addressed this in a previous post to you which you conveniently ignored. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

The interest in Seyfarth was in 2023. Canterbury wasn’t a top 8 team in 2023 and hadn’t played finals since 2016 and wouldn’t again until the following season while Warriors were on the verge of making their first finals in 5 years when they approached Seyfarth.

But go ahead and continue with your BS.
 
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Yet another example of you being bad faith as I already addressed this in a previous post to you which you conveniently ignored. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

The interest in Seyfarth was in 2023. Canterbury wasn’t a top 8 team in 2023 and hadn’t played finals since 2016 and wouldn’t again until the following season while Warriors were on the verge of making their first finals in 5 years when they approached Seyfarth.

But go ahead and continue with your BS.
The point is those coaches thought he would've been a valuable addition to their squad both coaches have gone on to have success at their respective clubs & deemed Seyfarth good enough for their club but yet he's not good enough for perennial Wooden Spooners? ok mate.
 

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