Aloiai

[fibrodreaming]

“I tried to get you a contract but they said No” so he can remain friends is complete defecation.

Garbage ! It's what happened in Benji's case.

Madge told Benji to give him time and he would check it out - as if he didn't know that the decision had been made. Of course he knew, he would have been part of the decision making process.

I gave two examples in my post above re Benji and McIntyre. They fit facts as we know them.

I happy to be persuaded otherwise. Give me some counter examples, based on the facts as we know them. Until then you are just speculating. At least my "impression" (as I referred to it above) has some plausibility based on what we know.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

“I tried to get you a contract but they said No” so he can remain friends is complete defecation.

Garbage ! It's what happened in Benji's case.

Madge told Benji to give him time and he would check it out - as if he didn't know that the decision had been made. Of course he knew, he would have been part of the decision making process.

I gave two examples in my post above re Benji and McIntyre. They fit facts as we know them.

I happy to be persuaded otherwise. Give me some counter examples, based on the facts as we know them. Until then you are just speculating. At least my "impression" (as I referred to it above) has some plausibility based on what we know.

That’s all garbage ! Benji had his manager told days before that happened , they gave benji enough time to make a decision , of which his form fell off a cliff , and it was obvious he was done . His manager was told , he didn’t pass it on to benji in time , Benji found out through the papers , and it hit the fan , prompting the Madge call. Who knows what Madge had to check out .Was it ? Just the roster spot , was it clarification on what was said to the manager . Maybe there was a coaching role offered , like I said who knows what Madge was actually clarifying.

 

[tonza]

Even if we get Joe I still think we should play hardball with JA and Manly

Like Joe will be here regardless of what we do with JA so still make manly offer something really meaningful or if they don't just stick JA with the CC squad and use him when needed

Make the germ waste a whole season unless we get something or we can comfortably fill our squad and use all our cap money on players that Madge really wants

Agree, but we have only 1 spot left if Joe O comes on, and if young Sironen comes over then we have none (though he is the obvious swap)?
What if Daine L gets a release?

Worse case Manly get cold feet and we are stuck with him.

All players will need to lift next season to keep a contract here, which is a great outcome for us.

If Sironen comes in , it’s still 29 because it’s a direct swap.

I think we are only 28 if we get Joe O. Laurie would make 29 if he came early, but as you say a direct swap changes nothing.

 

[tony soprano]

*Saab's manager, Mario Tartak, has been agitating for a release from his contract with the Dragons for months, and his client was absent for new coach Anthony Griffin's first day in charge of the joint venture club on Tuesday.

The Herald understands Saab, who still has another two years to run on his contract with the Dragons, wants to link with the Sea Eagles as early the upcoming season on a deal worth more than what he is currently earning at St George Illawarra.*

Sound familiar?

Another excuse, the transport is killing him. So he wants to trade a 2.5-3 hour commute from Greystanes to the Gong for a 2.25-2.5 hour trip to Narrabeen.

Lol 2.5 hours from greystanes to Narra he Is not going to Newcastle.

 

[Harvey]

*Saab's manager, Mario Tartak, has been agitating for a release from his contract with the Dragons for months, and his client was absent for new coach Anthony Griffin's first day in charge of the joint venture club on Tuesday.

The Herald understands Saab, who still has another two years to run on his contract with the Dragons, wants to link with the Sea Eagles as early the upcoming season on a deal worth more than what he is currently earning at St George Illawarra.*

Sound familiar?

Another excuse, the transport is killing him. So he wants to trade a 2.5-3 hour commute from Greystanes to the Gong for a 2.25-2.5 hour trip to Narrabeen.

Lol 2.5 hours from greystanes to Narra he Is not going to Newcastle.

The story is he doesn’t drive (no idea why) so it is public transport all the way

 

[Cairnstigers]

Manly have 3 halfbacks on their books
We should offer Aloiai for cust
If they don't like it then make them wait a year

 

[fibrodreaming]

“I tried to get you a contract but they said No” so he can remain friends is complete defecation.

Garbage ! It's what happened in Benji's case.

Madge told Benji to give him time and he would check it out - as if he didn't know that the decision had been made. Of course he knew, he would have been part of the decision making process.

I gave two examples in my post above re Benji and McIntyre. They fit facts as we know them.

I happy to be persuaded otherwise. Give me some counter examples, based on the facts as we know them. Until then you are just speculating. At least my "impression" (as I referred to it above) has some plausibility based on what we know.

That’s all garbage ! Benji had his manager told days before that happened , they gave benji enough time to make a decision , of which his form fell off a cliff , and it was obvious he was done . His manager was told , he didn’t pass it on to benji in time , Benji found out through the papers , and it hit the fan , prompting the Madge call. Who knows what Madge had to check out .Was it ? Just the roster spot , was it clarification on what was said to the manager . Maybe there was a coaching role offered , like I said who knows what Madge was actually clarifying.

A couple of points in reply.

First, I’m not really sure how your post invalidates what I said. But I don’t care. I was only making an idle observation in my original post. Maybe my observation is true, maybe it’s not. Who cares? I certainly don’t.

Second, I feel like you have been stalking me over the last week or two. I’m sure you haven’t, but it feels like it. Two weeks ago you attacked me for a statement you claimed I made regarding the athleticism of the current day player compared to the old days. I replied that you were “verballing” me and challenged you to find a quote from me supporting what you said I believed. You said that you weren’t verballing me, but then, amazingly, admitted that it was somebody else who had made the statement. Nevertheless, you proceeded to continue your rant at me. The irony was that I largely agreed with what you were saying.

In any event, I don’t want to continue this particular debate since I really don’t care, and it is wholly unrelated to the topic of this thread.

 

[Red88_Tiger]

What if nrl made manly give cap relief to tigers for the difference in value of contracts plus 50k. Imo this might slow it down as the player doesn’t benefit from the direct move

 

[Deleted member 3518]

“I tried to get you a contract but they said No” so he can remain friends is complete defecation.

Garbage ! It's what happened in Benji's case.

Madge told Benji to give him time and he would check it out - as if he didn't know that the decision had been made. Of course he knew, he would have been part of the decision making process.

I gave two examples in my post above re Benji and McIntyre. They fit facts as we know them.

I happy to be persuaded otherwise. Give me some counter examples, based on the facts as we know them. Until then you are just speculating. At least my "impression" (as I referred to it above) has some plausibility based on what we know.

That’s all garbage ! Benji had his manager told days before that happened , they gave benji enough time to make a decision , of which his form fell off a cliff , and it was obvious he was done . His manager was told , he didn’t pass it on to benji in time , Benji found out through the papers , and it hit the fan , prompting the Madge call. Who knows what Madge had to check out .Was it ? Just the roster spot , was it clarification on what was said to the manager . Maybe there was a coaching role offered , like I said who knows what Madge was actually clarifying.

A couple of points in reply.

First, I’m not really sure how your post invalidates what I said. But I don’t care. I was only making an idle observation in my original post. Maybe my observation is true, maybe it’s not. Who cares? I certainly don’t.

Second, I feel like you have been stalking me over the last week or two. I’m sure you haven’t, but it feels like it. Two weeks ago you attacked me for a statement you claimed I made regarding the athleticism of the current day player compared to the old days. I replied that you were “verballing” me and challenged you to find a quote from me supporting what you said I believed. You said that you weren’t verballing me, but then, amazingly, admitted that it was somebody else who had made the statement. Nevertheless, you proceeded to continue your rant at me. The irony was that I largely agreed with what you were saying.

In any event, I don’t want to continue this particular debate since I really don’t care, and it is wholly unrelated to the topic of this thread.

Geez you’re sensitive when someone disagrees with you , as I have on both occasions . The first , it was a continuation of a conversation where I misunderstood who made a certain comment of which I admitted my wrong . And I continued what I had to say , because you were irrelevant to the point I was making.
And secondly you’re wrong about the Benji situation , and that whole “the club did benji wrong “ stuff is not true .
Finally it’s a forum , you’re not holier that thou . If you say something that comes across as plain garbage you should be called out on it . Just like many have called me out on .

 

[fibrodreaming]

Geez you’re sensitive when someone disagrees with you

But that's the point. In the initial exchange I wasn't disagreeing with you !

and that whole “the club did benji wrong “ stuff is not true .

I didn't say that, and, I don't believe that. Again, we are talking at cross purposes.

Anyway, best leave it there.

 

[Aubanon]

It is good that players feel comfortable in speaking with Maguire. This seems to be at odds with how some like to portray him in the media.

I get the impression that the club has organised the roles in the recruitment and retention process so that Madge plays the sympathetic, almost father-figure type role, while Hartigan is the hard man making the tough decision.

For example, Benji approaches Madge and says that he has heard that he won't be offered a new deal. This is news to Madge. He tells Benji to give him 24 hours and he will see what he can do. He comes back to Benji full of sympathy. "I'm sorry Benji, but the decision has been made.....".

McIntyre phones Madge and says that he still hasn't received a formal offer from the club and that the Titans have tabled an offer, which he has accepted. Madge expresses surprise and regret that he is going. He tells Macca that he wanted to keep him. Obviously the football department has stuffed up.....

This way, Madge stays on good terms with the playing group while Hartigan plays the role of the man making the unpopular decisions.

This ☝

And unlike in the past with the coach being central to recruitment, this new set up will serve us well.

Hartigan can be the bad cop when need be all whilst being in the background.

If anything, the CEO needs to also remove himself a little more and let Adam do his thing

 

[Aubanon]

It is good that players feel comfortable in speaking with Maguire. This seems to be at odds with how some like to portray him in the media.

I get the impression that the club has organised the roles in the recruitment and retention process so that Madge plays the sympathetic, almost father-figure type role, while Hartigan is the hard man making the tough decision.

For example, Benji approaches Madge and says that he has heard that he won't be offered a new deal. This is news to Madge. He tells Benji to give him 24 hours and he will see what he can do. He comes back to Benji full of sympathy. "I'm sorry Benji, but the decision has been made.....".

McIntyre phones Madge and says that he still hasn't received a formal offer from the club and that the Titans have tabled an offer, which he has accepted. Madge expresses surprise and regret that he is going. He tells Macca that he wanted to keep him. Obviously the football department has stuffed up.....

This way, Madge stays on good terms with the playing group while Hartigan plays the role of the man making the unpopular decisions.

I guess that the club has addressed how Cleary left and have put systems in place to curb this issue.

Or Hartigan is making the decisions , goes to Madge , Madge says do what you think is right . Decisions gets made , player spits his chips , rings Madge , Madge has plausible deniability. I’m sure if Madge is adamant about a player , that player isn’t going anywhere.

That's a dangerous game to play and people can smell that kind of rat easily.

That might also be perceived to be like working in a middle-management position where the boss made all decisions. Everyone would know that person wasn't the decision maker. They would only go to the decision maker for when they wanted an answer - I can't see a head coach being like that.

Not really Milky, think of any organisation. You're not recruited by your superior - You're recruited by the HR dept.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Geez you’re sensitive when someone disagrees with you

But that's the point. In the initial exchange I wasn't disagreeing with you !

and that whole “the club did benji wrong “ stuff is not true .

I didn't say that, and, I don't believe that. Again, we are talking at cross purposes.

Anyway, best leave it there.

No problem . I don’t have any issue by the way . If it’s a misunderstanding happy days

 

[Blacknwhite]

We cannot always make empty threats. If Josh has to be the line in the sand, then so be it. I would be content with us making his contract a war of attrition.

 

[hank37w]

and if he refuses to wear the Tigers Jersey, make him wear that ugly sweater instead.
That'll sort him out.

 

[the_third]

It is good that players feel comfortable in speaking with Maguire. This seems to be at odds with how some like to portray him in the media.

I get the impression that the club has organised the roles in the recruitment and retention process so that Madge plays the sympathetic, almost father-figure type role, while Hartigan is the hard man making the tough decision.

For example, Benji approaches Madge and says that he has heard that he won't be offered a new deal. This is news to Madge. He tells Benji to give him 24 hours and he will see what he can do. He comes back to Benji full of sympathy. "I'm sorry Benji, but the decision has been made.....".

McIntyre phones Madge and says that he still hasn't received a formal offer from the club and that the Titans have tabled an offer, which he has accepted. Madge expresses surprise and regret that he is going. He tells Macca that he wanted to keep him. Obviously the football department has stuffed up.....

This way, Madge stays on good terms with the playing group while Hartigan plays the role of the man making the unpopular decisions.

I guess that the club has addressed how Cleary left and have put systems in place to curb this issue.

Or Hartigan is making the decisions , goes to Madge , Madge says do what you think is right . Decisions gets made , player spits his chips , rings Madge , Madge has plausible deniability. I’m sure if Madge is adamant about a player , that player isn’t going anywhere.

That's a dangerous game to play and people can smell that kind of rat easily.

That might also be perceived to be like working in a middle-management position where the boss made all decisions. Everyone would know that person wasn't the decision maker. They would only go to the decision maker for when they wanted an answer - I can't see a head coach being like that.

Yup you are either part of management or you are not. Can’t have it both ways and be respected as a boss

 

[mikey]

It is good that players feel comfortable in speaking with Maguire. This seems to be at odds with how some like to portray him in the media.

I get the impression that the club has organised the roles in the recruitment and retention process so that Madge plays the sympathetic, almost father-figure type role, while Hartigan is the hard man making the tough decision.

For example, Benji approaches Madge and says that he has heard that he won't be offered a new deal. This is news to Madge. He tells Benji to give him 24 hours and he will see what he can do. He comes back to Benji full of sympathy. "I'm sorry Benji, but the decision has been made.....".

McIntyre phones Madge and says that he still hasn't received a formal offer from the club and that the Titans have tabled an offer, which he has accepted. Madge expresses surprise and regret that he is going. He tells Macca that he wanted to keep him. Obviously the football department has stuffed up.....

This way, Madge stays on good terms with the playing group while Hartigan plays the role of the man making the unpopular decisions.

I guess that the club has addressed how Cleary left and have put systems in place to curb this issue.

Or Hartigan is making the decisions , goes to Madge , Madge says do what you think is right . Decisions gets made , player spits his chips , rings Madge , Madge has plausible deniability. I’m sure if Madge is adamant about a player , that player isn’t going anywhere.

That's a dangerous game to play and people can smell that kind of rat easily.

That might also be perceived to be like working in a middle-management position where the boss made all decisions. Everyone would know that person wasn't the decision maker. They would only go to the decision maker for when they wanted an answer - I can't see a head coach being like that.

Not really Milky, think of any organisation. You're not recruited by your superior - You're recruited by the HR dept.

Beg to disagree. The HR department processes decisions and may have a rep sitting on a panel but in every job I have had (and I've had more than most) the superior/ decision maker is always on a panel and everyone defers to them.
BTW - Don't call me Milky 🙂 I'm more tart than milk.🙂

 

[bathursttiger1]

and if he refuses to wear the Tigers Jersey, make him wear that ugly sweater instead.
That'll sort him out.

One of those stupid American Xmas jumpers, or the Western Suburbs CC jersey.


 

[Cultured_Bogan]

We cannot always make empty threats. If Josh has to be the line in the sand, then so be it. I would be content with us making his contract a war of attrition.

Absolutely B&W.

An example needs be made of now.

 

[tony soprano]

It is good that players feel comfortable in speaking with Maguire. This seems to be at odds with how some like to portray him in the media.

I get the impression that the club has organised the roles in the recruitment and retention process so that Madge plays the sympathetic, almost father-figure type role, while Hartigan is the hard man making the tough decision.

For example, Benji approaches Madge and says that he has heard that he won't be offered a new deal. This is news to Madge. He tells Benji to give him 24 hours and he will see what he can do. He comes back to Benji full of sympathy. "I'm sorry Benji, but the decision has been made.....".

McIntyre phones Madge and says that he still hasn't received a formal offer from the club and that the Titans have tabled an offer, which he has accepted. Madge expresses surprise and regret that he is going. He tells Macca that he wanted to keep him. Obviously the football department has stuffed up.....

This way, Madge stays on good terms with the playing group while Hartigan plays the role of the man making the unpopular decisions.

This ☝

And unlike in the past with the coach being central to recruitment, this new set up will serve us well.

Hartigan can be the bad cop when need be all whilst being in the background.

If anything, the CEO needs to also remove himself a little more and let Adam do his thing

Yes and gives more time for the coach to coach