Aloiai

[Swordy]

No more releasing talk Please Mr Wests Tigers

Did the Eels release Stefano ??

or the Panthers releasing Laurie??

If Josh A wants to go, he is free to do so after season 2021

Yeah I’m a bit peeved we’re just gonna roll over yet again and let Aloiai walk if we sign Joe O. His acquisition has nothing to do with Aloiai. He should not be released unless Manly cough up someone else or some form of compensation, though honestly I’d rather Aloiai be made to stay and see out his contract. We need to start getting tougher with the tantrum throwing wantaways. Other teams manage to do it and so should we. It’s about respect.


Maybe the delay in everything is all to do with the "compensation."

I’d like to think that would be the case, but it looks like our CEO has virtually stated that Ofahengaue’s signing will allow the club to release Aloiai to Manly - a very soft stance now from the man who less than a week ago touted that he’d have Aloiai mowing the lawns at Concord rather than release him a year early.

It was the Chairman who talked about mowing lawns, not the CEO.

Pretty sure POM said something like "we won't get a player swap but we are going to get compensated in another way by Manly" - I'm taking this as monetary compensation - how much, who knows?


Pom also said JAC and Macintyre were done deals.

Not trying to disrespect the bloke, but things do swivel around at any point ?‍♂️

They were done as far as deals. One had a HOA awaiting a release which did not happen and McIntyre had a deal but then the incompetent management team failed to get the thing signed off

Incompetent management team? As pauline would say, Please explain? With facts.

It was mentioned they left a contract that had been agreed to terms unsigned by Sam for 2 weeks as they focussed on JAC as he was more a priority. That is incompetent. As it played out we lost both however I don’t blame them for JAC.

It might have been 'mentioned', but I believe the facts are different. There are many possibilities.

I believe McIntyre was expendable and so they left wiggle room for $$ for JAC at the expense of McIntyre. In the interim, JAC has not come and McIntrye has signed somewhere else. I wish him well. My opinion and that of others is that he isnt that good. Some have the opinion he IS that good. Thats just the way it is. If they truly wanted McIntyre, he would be signed.

Its not incompetent management at all.

I think the issue is that the contract was 'supposedly left in the cupboard for 2 weeks and they forgot'. I dont believe that for one second.

 

[TigerWest]

I would have liked us to make him fufill his contract. Manly were never going to give us any player to match, and monetary compensation does not equate to what we lose imo - both in player or image. I could cop Matterson but to have it happen a second time we needed to set a precedent and then it would have been up to JA to get on with it or not.

He hasn’t gone yet.

 

[Geo]

It's not possible that Aloiai is released for free. The question is are manly giving us cash to spend on facilities, equipment etc, or are they chipping in to big Joe's salary? The Latter is certainly preferable and would give us an extra few hundred k to spend on our remaining spots.
250k to help fit out the new gym won't exactly go astray though, it just won't help us on field

It doesn’t work that way if they are giving us cash for Aloiai ...that amount comes out of their cap allowance..and goes into our bottom line..doesn’t increase our cap ..Wests Tigers may use it’s they wish...pay players our update the dunny rolls to Quilten

 

[bptiger]

The bottom line here is , this is two years in a row we have lost two forwards we wanted to keep , if u don’t stop this it will keep happening, some times u have to take a st

 

[pawsandclaws1]

It's not possible that Aloiai is released for free. The question is are manly giving us cash to spend on facilities, equipment etc, or are they chipping in to big Joe's salary? The Latter is certainly preferable and would give us an extra few hundred k to spend on our remaining spots.
250k to help fit out the new gym won't exactly go astray though, it just won't help us on field

It doesn’t work that way if they are giving us cash for Aloiai ...that amount comes out of their cap allowance..and goes into our bottom line..doesn’t increase our cap ..Wests Tigers may use it’s they wish...pay players our update the dunny rolls to Quilten

Could it be used to make up the shortfall in cap next year with the cuts?

 

[Geo]

It's not possible that Aloiai is released for free. The question is are manly giving us cash to spend on facilities, equipment etc, or are they chipping in to big Joe's salary? The Latter is certainly preferable and would give us an extra few hundred k to spend on our remaining spots.
250k to help fit out the new gym won't exactly go astray though, it just won't help us on field

It doesn’t work that way if they are giving us cash for Aloiai ...that amount comes out of their cap allowance..and goes into our bottom line..doesn’t increase our cap ..Wests Tigers may use it’s they wish...pay players our update the dunny rolls to Quilten

Could it be used to make up the shortfall in cap next year with the cuts?

Not sure what you mean the Salary Cap is a nominal figure you can spend on players..if it’s reduced it’s reduced..you can’t spend over it.. that’s cheating

 

[fibrodreaming]

Its not incompetent management at all.
I think the issue is that the contract was ‘supposedly left in the cupboard for 2 weeks and they forgot’. I dont believe that for one second.

I agree.

I think we were happy to keep McIntyre IF nothing better came along. It appears that we agreed terms and then delayed finalising the deal while we monitored the movements in the market.

 

[TonyTiger]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

You’re not privy to that information, don’t assume.

 

[cochise]

The bottom line here is , this is two years in a row we have lost two forwards we wanted to keep , if u don’t stop this it will keep happening, some times u have to take a st

We are taking a stand

 

[Spud_Murphy]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

Depends what "essentially Joe" means, if they are paying compensation that covers his wage next year then it is not getting nothing.

How could compensation paid through cash pay for Joe O when his salary comes out of the salary cap?

Because cash is cash and if it improve our bottom line its still compensation worth having. His pay comes out of Wests Tigers funds, its not like the Salary Cap is someone else's money, the cap just limits how much of our money we are allowed to spend on players.

In the end we still look like pushovers because we easily rolled over let another whiny player go. That’s all everyone will see, and it gives licence to future players to pull the exact same stunt, knowing they will get what they want.

 

[tonza]

The bottom line here is , this is two years in a row we have lost two forwards we wanted to keep , if u don’t stop this it will keep happening, some times u have to take a st

And 3 out of 4 years if you remember Moses. Who will break a contract and walk out on us in 2022. Tigers, nah Pussies.

 

[JC99]

The bottom line here is , this is two years in a row we have lost two forwards we wanted to keep , if u don’t stop this it will keep happening, some times u have to take a st

And 3 out of 4 years if you remember Moses. Who will break a contract and walk out on us in 2022. Tigers, nah Pussies.

Whoever finds form and kills it for us early in the season will be gone by 2022 ?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

It's not possible that Aloiai is released for free. The question is are manly giving us cash to spend on facilities, equipment etc, or are they chipping in to big Joe's salary? The Latter is certainly preferable and would give us an extra few hundred k to spend on our remaining spots.
250k to help fit out the new gym won't exactly go astray though, it just won't help us on field

It doesn’t work that way if they are giving us cash for Aloiai ...that amount comes out of their cap allowance..and goes into our bottom line..doesn’t increase our cap ..Wests Tigers may use it’s they wish...pay players our update the dunny rolls to Quilten

Could it be used to make up the shortfall in cap next year with the cuts?

Not sure what you mean the Salary Cap is a nominal figure you can spend on players..if it’s reduced it’s reduced..you can’t spend over it.. that’s cheating

Would the cap next year notionally be kept at the amount given this year with clubs being able to make up the shortfall from its own revenue?

 

[tiger05premier]

The bottom line here is , this is two years in a row we have lost two forwards we wanted to keep , if u don’t stop this it will keep happening, some times u have to take a st

And 3 out of 4 years if you remember Moses. Who will break a contract and walk out on us in 2022. Tigers, nah Pussies.

Whoever finds form and kills it for us early in the season will be gone by 2022 ?

Hopefully that's Mbye

But I won't hold my breath

 

[Russell]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

Depends what "essentially Joe" means, if they are paying compensation that covers his wage next year then it is not getting nothing.

How could compensation paid through cash pay for Joe O when his salary comes out of the salary cap?

Because cash is cash and if it improve our bottom line its still compensation worth having. His pay comes out of Wests Tigers funds, its not like the Salary Cap is someone else's money, the cap just limits how much of our money we are allowed to spend on players.

Whatever 'cash' we get, it's got nothing to do with our signing of Joe O. We need salary cap space and a position in the squad to sign him, we already have the position in the squad, and considering we were chasing JAC and surely had a glimmer of hope for Grant, we had the salary cap space for Joe O.

From what I've read, we could retain Josh Aloiai and sign Joe O, it doesn't seem like one or the other.

Wo cares if its one of the other, get some cash and let Aloiai go.

It just irks me that these players throw their little tantrums like three year olds and get away with it.

I know it's not just us, Storm were in danger of losing JAC, Saab wanted out of Dragons, Manly lost their prop, Sharks lost Morris to Roosters, Souths lost that young kid to Roosters, but also Roosters even lost Mitchell.

You've expressed a few times that it is the NRL that need to do something, and I think that you are right. I was hoping in our case WT could be tough, sit the bludger in Reserves for a while, until the media kicks up so much of a stink that then the NRL is pressured in doing something then.

Problem is we already have Reynolds and Packer as reserve graders, just too much money sitting in reserves. Let him go and give the money to someone who wants to be here and then set about fixing the rules.

$350k in Reserves is nothing. We had that in a fine the last 2 years. With over $1.5m in there already with Packer and Reynolds, $350k is chicken feed.

I see that article above by Carayannis, poor if true. Tigers played for chumps. And our chairperson, saying Aloiai would not be released, is made to look like a fool.

If we received any sort of financial advantage by letting him go, it needs to be made public, because otherwise now we look stupid.

Who knows how to set up a poll?

We could guess who's going to crap on us next year and make a fool of us

I'm sure Lee will play his part in embarrassing us

JA should've been made to suffer simple as that

JO isn't compensation we could fit him in anyway

JA shouldve been sent to RMC to waste away

So we should suffer to prove a point?

Yes we should

And we have plenty to spend anyway as per what we offered JAC and can't spend so make the slimy grub suffer until we can actually spend it

Don't just spend our cap on crap like we do just to spend it

Time to stand up for once

Every other club does

This is why we don't make the 8

Every time someone shows form they are poached whether they are contracted or not

No thank you, lets make the 8. JA in reserves for the year does nothing for that.

Of course if we can spend the money on something decent

But until than

Who knows what we have lined up for the next 2 weeks.

I don't have a religious bone in my body but I am preying

I can see that - the word is praying - or maybe YOU ARE a Tiger. Lol

 

[cochise]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

Depends what "essentially Joe" means, if they are paying compensation that covers his wage next year then it is not getting nothing.

How could compensation paid through cash pay for Joe O when his salary comes out of the salary cap?

Because cash is cash and if it improve our bottom line its still compensation worth having. His pay comes out of Wests Tigers funds, its not like the Salary Cap is someone else's money, the cap just limits how much of our money we are allowed to spend on players.

In the end we still look like pushovers because we easily rolled over let another whiny player go. That’s all everyone will see, and it gives licence to future players to pull the exact same stunt, knowing they will get what they want.

The only way to stop it happening again is to force the NRL into changing the rules.

 

[cochise]

It's not possible that Aloiai is released for free. The question is are manly giving us cash to spend on facilities, equipment etc, or are they chipping in to big Joe's salary? The Latter is certainly preferable and would give us an extra few hundred k to spend on our remaining spots.
250k to help fit out the new gym won't exactly go astray though, it just won't help us on field

It doesn’t work that way if they are giving us cash for Aloiai ...that amount comes out of their cap allowance..and goes into our bottom line..doesn’t increase our cap ..Wests Tigers may use it’s they wish...pay players our update the dunny rolls to Quilten

Could it be used to make up the shortfall in cap next year with the cuts?

Not sure what you mean the Salary Cap is a nominal figure you can spend on players..if it’s reduced it’s reduced..you can’t spend over it.. that’s cheating

Would the cap next year notionally be kept at the amount given this year with clubs being able to make up the shortfall from its own revenue?

The cap all comes from the clubs own revenue.

 

[Russell]

No more releasing talk Please Mr Wests Tigers

Did the Eels release Stefano ??

or the Panthers releasing Laurie??

If Josh A wants to go, he is free to do so after season 2021

Yeah I’m a bit peeved we’re just gonna roll over yet again and let Aloiai walk if we sign Joe O. His acquisition has nothing to do with Aloiai. He should not be released unless Manly cough up someone else or some form of compensation, though honestly I’d rather Aloiai be made to stay and see out his contract. We need to start getting tougher with the tantrum throwing wantaways. Other teams manage to do it and so should we. It’s about respect.


Maybe the delay in everything is all to do with the "compensation."

I’d like to think that would be the case, but it looks like our CEO has virtually stated that Ofahengaue’s signing will allow the club to release Aloiai to Manly - a very soft stance now from the man who less than a week ago touted that he’d have Aloiai mowing the lawns at Concord rather than release him a year early.

It was the Chairman who talked about mowing lawns, not the CEO.

Pretty sure POM said something like "we won't get a player swap but we are going to get compensated in another way by Manly" - I'm taking this as monetary compensation - how much, who knows?


Pom also said JAC and Macintyre were done deals.

Not trying to disrespect the bloke, but things do swivel around at any point ?‍♂️

They were done as far as deals. One had a HOA awaiting a release which did not happen and McIntyre had a deal but then the incompetent management team failed to get the thing signed off

Incompetent management team? As pauline would say, Please explain? With facts.

Pom indicated management had the the contract and let it sit there unsigned for 2 weeks (or something to that effect).

He said it was managements fault.

Not sure that not re-signing someone you dont particularly want qualifies as mismanagement. It qualifies as "you can stay if we get you cheap, but go try your luck"

If we made an offer and he accepted, then we failed to sign the paperwork, that’s mismanagement.

Who cares, it was McIntyre.

Regardless it’s not great management. Also means we now have to sign Seyfarth who is much worse

I think McIntyre was a keeper, I thought the club did to, but I think we were in a transition of process and new managers and it was just over looked, not good but it happens and we need to move on.


In this time and age, overlooked don't think so. Offered a 1-year contract extension, got a better deal elsewhere let's move on. Madge must have a reason if he is thinking about letting Gardner go as well and I would think that we could agree that Gardner is a better player

Maybe Gardner should be mowing the lawns - and Garner can play second row. Lol

 

[Geo]

It's not possible that Aloiai is released for free. The question is are manly giving us cash to spend on facilities, equipment etc, or are they chipping in to big Joe's salary? The Latter is certainly preferable and would give us an extra few hundred k to spend on our remaining spots.
250k to help fit out the new gym won't exactly go astray though, it just won't help us on field

It doesn’t work that way if they are giving us cash for Aloiai ...that amount comes out of their cap allowance..and goes into our bottom line..doesn’t increase our cap ..Wests Tigers may use it’s they wish...pay players our update the dunny rolls to Quilten

Could it be used to make up the shortfall in cap next year with the cuts?

Not sure what you mean the Salary Cap is a nominal figure you can spend on players..if it’s reduced it’s reduced..you can’t spend over it.. that’s cheating

Would the cap next year notionally be kept at the amount given this year with clubs being able to make up the shortfall from its own revenue

No..you can only spend what you can spend on players..the NRL Grant will still exceed the nominal Salary cap amount..cap wise there will be no shortfall

 

[cochise]

It's not possible that Aloiai is released for free. The question is are manly giving us cash to spend on facilities, equipment etc, or are they chipping in to big Joe's salary? The Latter is certainly preferable and would give us an extra few hundred k to spend on our remaining spots.
250k to help fit out the new gym won't exactly go astray though, it just won't help us on field

It doesn’t work that way if they are giving us cash for Aloiai ...that amount comes out of their cap allowance..and goes into our bottom line..doesn’t increase our cap ..Wests Tigers may use it’s they wish...pay players our update the dunny rolls to Quilten

Could it be used to make up the shortfall in cap next year with the cuts?

Not sure what you mean the Salary Cap is a nominal figure you can spend on players..if it’s reduced it’s reduced..you can’t spend over it.. that’s cheating

Would the cap next year notionally be kept at the amount given this year with clubs being able to make up the shortfall from its own revenue

No..you can only spend what you can spend on players..the NRL Grant will still exceed the nominal Salary cap amount..cap wise there will be no shortfall

The NRL grant is the clubs own money anyway, it is the clubs share of the revenue the NRL makes from selling the clubs.