America - Gun Control

[innsaneink]

A hahaha col… Would love to meet you... Would be interesting to say the least

 

[Geo]

I think a Col and Byron get together would be EPIC…

 

[Munk]

I give up. Hard to get any sense from a know it all.

Listen up. One more time. Dead is dead. If you are shot with a firearm, stabbed with a knife or run down by a motor vehicle. You are still dead.

I also give up, hard to get any sense from someone who uses straw men arguments.

People were killed by suffocation, beaten to death in fights and bludgeoned to death with hammers. Plastic bags aren't designed to suffocate, hands are an evolutionary tool to grip things and hammers are meant to belt nails into timber. They are not implements of death like firearms.

You can spin it with hyperbole all you like Col, it's not the same thing just because one person utilises something other than what it's for. Until 13,000 people have been murdered with vehicles in one year your argument is rubbish.

Dont give up gentlemen, stand by your convictions.
Both sides of the argument offer validity as much as both sides do not.
Thats why nothing will change.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Ironic how the right did not want to politicise the Las Vegas shooting by addressing gun control, yet there's no drama in politicising the terror attacking in New York by screaming about immigration. Why is that I wonder.

 

[earl]

I give up. Hard to get any sense from a know it all.

Listen up. One more time. Dead is dead. If you are shot with a firearm, stabbed with a knife or run down by a motor vehicle. You are still dead.

I also give up, hard to get any sense from someone who uses straw men arguments.

People were killed by suffocation, beaten to death in fights and bludgeoned to death with hammers. Plastic bags aren't designed to suffocate, hands are an evolutionary tool to grip things and hammers are meant to belt nails into timber. They are not implements of death like firearms.

You can spin it with hyperbole all you like Col, it's not the same thing just because one person utilises something other than what it's for. Until 13,000 people have been murdered with vehicles in one year your argument is rubbish.

Dont give up gentlemen, stand by your convictions.
Both sides of the argument offer validity as much as both sides do not.
Thats why nothing will change.

Both sides do not offer validity. Should everyone's hands be cut off ? No. Should we restrict gun ownership - yes. If you can't see how the two arguments are completely different you are a fool.

Unfortunately the pro-death by guns clique can't see reason and there are way too many of them in America.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Earl I don't mind people owning guns. But semi and full autos? Nah, not needed unless you're looking to put a lot of holes in someone in a short amount of time. No one with any sense will leave an AR15 laying around easily on the off chance someone is going to break into their house.

 

[Munk]

I give up. Hard to get any sense from a know it all.

Listen up. One more time. Dead is dead. If you are shot with a firearm, stabbed with a knife or run down by a motor vehicle. You are still dead.

I also give up, hard to get any sense from someone who uses straw men arguments.

People were killed by suffocation, beaten to death in fights and bludgeoned to death with hammers. Plastic bags aren't designed to suffocate, hands are an evolutionary tool to grip things and hammers are meant to belt nails into timber. They are not implements of death like firearms.

You can spin it with hyperbole all you like Col, it's not the same thing just because one person utilises something other than what it's for. Until 13,000 people have been murdered with vehicles in one year your argument is rubbish.

Dont give up gentlemen, stand by your convictions.
Both sides of the argument offer validity as much as both sides do not.
Thats why nothing will change.

Both sides do not offer validity. Should everyone's hands be cut off ? No. Should we restrict gun ownership - yes. If you can't see how the two arguments are completely different you are a fool.

Unfortunately the pro-death by guns clique can't see reason and there are way too many of them in America.

Whose reasoning? Yours? Surely not as it is nothing short of the ramblings of a juvenile backed up by zero facts and insignificant life experience. The astonishing arrogance you display in your "reasoning" (the definition of this word requires clarity from you btw), is laughable. Exactly who do you think you are to brand everyone who doesnt agree with you as fools? I would imagine that would be the majority of people in most facets of your life. How can they all be wrong all the time? Ive said it before, you do not know what you are talking about on this issue as your opinion only scratches the surface and provides a severely weakened amount of substance. Either do some research or listen to people with more knowledge on this topic than yourself. Try starting with the culture of those of whom you mock.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

I think a Col and Byron get together would be EPIC…

Col could judge which of my two air guns are more dangerous, one parts the hair the other can empty a room

 

[earl]

I also give up, hard to get any sense from someone who uses straw men arguments.

People were killed by suffocation, beaten to death in fights and bludgeoned to death with hammers. Plastic bags aren't designed to suffocate, hands are an evolutionary tool to grip things and hammers are meant to belt nails into timber. They are not implements of death like firearms.

You can spin it with hyperbole all you like Col, it's not the same thing just because one person utilises something other than what it's for. Until 13,000 people have been murdered with vehicles in one year your argument is rubbish.

Dont give up gentlemen, stand by your convictions.
Both sides of the argument offer validity as much as both sides do not.
Thats why nothing will change.

Both sides do not offer validity. Should everyone's hands be cut off ? No. Should we restrict gun ownership - yes. If you can't see how the two arguments are completely different you are a fool.

Unfortunately the pro-death by guns clique can't see reason and there are way too many of them in America.

Whose reasoning? Yours? Surely not as it is nothing short of the ramblings of a juvenile backed up by zero facts and insignificant life experience. The astonishing arrogance you display in your "reasoning" (the definition of this word requires clarity from you btw), is laughable. Exactly who do you think you are to brand everyone who doesnt agree with you as fools? I would imagine that would be the majority of people in most facets of your life. How can they all be wrong all the time? Ive said it before, you do not know what you are talking about on this issue as your opinion only scratches the surface and provides a severely weakened amount of substance. Either do some research or listen to people with more knowledge on this topic than yourself. Try starting with the culture of those of whom you mock.

I'm simply labelling an irrational argument as being illogical which it is. All your ranting and raving can't change that point.

Your clique loves irrational arguments and we've seen plenty on this thread. Get better arguments and then come back. I can't see that happening though.

 

[magpiecol]

Dont give up gentlemen, stand by your convictions.
Both sides of the argument offer validity as much as both sides do not.
Thats why nothing will change.

Both sides do not offer validity. Should everyone's hands be cut off ? No. Should we restrict gun ownership - yes. If you can't see how the two arguments are completely different you are a fool.

Unfortunately the pro-death by guns clique can't see reason and there are way too many of them in America.

Whose reasoning? Yours? Surely not as it is nothing short of the ramblings of a juvenile backed up by zero facts and insignificant life experience. The astonishing arrogance you display in your "reasoning" (the definition of this word requires clarity from you btw), is laughable. Exactly who do you think you are to brand everyone who doesnt agree with you as fools? I would imagine that would be the majority of people in most facets of your life. How can they all be wrong all the time? Ive said it before, you do not know what you are talking about on this issue as your opinion only scratches the surface and provides a severely weakened amount of substance. Either do some research or listen to people with more knowledge on this topic than yourself. Try starting with the culture of those of whom you mock.

I'm simply labelling an irrational argument as being illogical which it is. All your ranting and raving can't change that point.

Your clique loves irrational arguments and we've seen plenty on this thread. Get better arguments and then come back. I can't see that happening though.

How about this argument.

France has the toughest gun control laws in the world. Not so long ago, over 100 people were killed by loser terrorists using firearms.

Look. People have their own opinions on gun control. I get it. Good arguments can be had for both sides. However, as far as any changes to America's gun laws taking place, forget it. Will not happen.

Move on.

 

[earl]

Col - I agree gun controls aren't happening in America. I doubt the issue is going to affect my life and I'm definitely not passionate about it.

I don't see the France argument as valid - terrorists kill people however they can. Access to guns would definitely help them out but I assume they found a way around that. People will find ways around gun laws. The point of having gun laws is to minimise the impact to society. The simple facts are that more guns equal more deaths of innocent people. Guns also don't save lives from a statistical perspective. They make society less safe. I honestly don't think that there is a real world argument and not a crazy argument to justify the gun laws in America. It simply provides an extremely poor outcome to society.

I've seen Americans justify their gun laws and it comes down to a simple thing. They like their guns. That's it. It frustrates me when you see clearly illogical arguments being put forward but that is a trait of pro death by guns people. If they just said I like me guns then the argument stops. It's a trade off. You get your guns but you make society less safe. That at least is a logical argument.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Both sides do not offer validity. Should everyone's hands be cut off ? No. Should we restrict gun ownership - yes. If you can't see how the two arguments are completely different you are a fool.

Unfortunately the pro-death by guns clique can't see reason and there are way too many of them in America.

Whose reasoning? Yours? Surely not as it is nothing short of the ramblings of a juvenile backed up by zero facts and insignificant life experience. The astonishing arrogance you display in your "reasoning" (the definition of this word requires clarity from you btw), is laughable. Exactly who do you think you are to brand everyone who doesnt agree with you as fools? I would imagine that would be the majority of people in most facets of your life. How can they all be wrong all the time? Ive said it before, you do not know what you are talking about on this issue as your opinion only scratches the surface and provides a severely weakened amount of substance. Either do some research or listen to people with more knowledge on this topic than yourself. Try starting with the culture of those of whom you mock.

I'm simply labelling an irrational argument as being illogical which it is. All your ranting and raving can't change that point.

Your clique loves irrational arguments and we've seen plenty on this thread. Get better arguments and then come back. I can't see that happening though.

How about this argument.

France has the toughest gun control laws in the world. Not so long ago, over 100 people were killed by loser terrorists using firearms.

Look. People have their own opinions on gun control. I get it. Good arguments can be had for both sides. **However, as far as any changes to America's gun laws taking place, forget it. Will not happen.**

Move on.

This we can agree on. If they were ever going to do it, it would have been after the autistic kid shot 20 kindergarteners. Didn't happen then, won't ever happen.

 

[Munk]

Col - I agree gun controls aren't happening in America. I doubt the issue is going to affect my life and I'm definitely not passionate about it.

I don't see the France argument as valid - terrorists kill people however they can. Access to guns would definitely help them out but I assume they found a way around that. People will find ways around gun laws. The point of having gun laws is to minimise the impact to society. The simple facts are that more guns equal more deaths of innocent people. Guns also don't save lives from a statistical perspective. They make society less safe. I honestly don't think that there is a real world argument and not a crazy argument to justify the gun laws in America. It simply provides an extremely poor outcome to society.

I've seen Americans justify their gun laws and it comes down to a simple thing. They like their guns. That's it. It frustrates me when you see clearly illogical arguments being put forward but that is a trait of pro death by guns people. If they just said I like me guns then the argument stops. It's a trade off. You get your guns but you make society less safe. That at least is a logical argument.

Not passionate about this issue? Im sorry but that is nonsense. Your posts are dripping with emotion and your stance comes from this basic position. Your statements are also incorrect.
E.g. "the simple facts are that more guns equal more deaths of innocent people". For the 10th time, THIS IS INCORRECT. It is not a fact and in actuality the real fact, gained from the FBI is that violent crimes involving firearms have decreased as the number of Americans with guns has increased so stop lying.

 

[earl]

Munk - take a chill pill dude. You can go all crazy man and try and make out that guns don't kill people or whatever you want to say but I can see you are dripping with passion about it. I'm not. I just come up with rational logical points. You aren't capable of that.

 

[Munk]

Munk - take a chill pill dude. You can go all crazy man and try and make out that guns don't kill people or whatever you want to say but I can see you are dripping with passion about it. I'm not. I just come up with rational logical points. You aren't capable of that.

Im perfectly calm. The facts back my opinion and bust holes in yours.
You dont like guns = Fine, no problem. Thats your prerogative.
I do like guns = Im a nut and pro death.
See the difference?

 

[earl]

Munk - take a chill pill dude. You can go all crazy man and try and make out that guns don't kill people or whatever you want to say but I can see you are dripping with passion about it. I'm not. I just come up with rational logical points. You aren't capable of that.

Im perfectly calm. The facts back my opinion and bust holes in yours.
You dont like guns = Fine, no problem. Thats your prerogative.
I do like guns = Im a nut and pro death.
See the difference?

You don't provide any reasonable facts at all and you avoid reality in such a bizarre way it's hilarious. America is statistically much less safe with a much higher occurrence of mass shootings by crazy people due to the amount of guns and availability of guns.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-28/a-look-at-gun-violence-laws-in-america/6731234
https://listverse.com/2015/09/01/10-insane-facts-about-guns-and-gun-violence-in-america/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/gun-control-the-facts-and-figures-will-completely-shock-you/news-story/98b65d6004ba731b0feb4e63dd9a719f

Of course you are pro death by guns. That is exactly what the facts state. Deal with it.

It'd be good though if you just said something as simple as "I love me guns and I'm allowed to have them" and then just shut up. You aren't winning a rational debate not matter how much you try and twist the facts.

Keep going on though by all means.

 

[Munk]

LOL
ABC, Listverse, Wikipedia and News.com.
Do you want to quote any adults?

 

[Munk]

Try these…

https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/05/14/disarming-realities-as-gun-sales-soar-gun-crimes-plummet/#6a6a2cec3f7c

http://www.aei.org/publication/chart-of-the-day-more-guns-less-gun-violence-between-1993-and-2013/

http://www.vocativ.com/usa/guns/suicides-outnumber-homicides-comes-gun-violence/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-gun-violence/2017/10/06/c4536e44-a9ed-11e7-b3aa-c0e2e1d41e38_story.html?utm_term=.64ddcf1767ac

Theres some reading for you. Id recommend some research articles and books as well if you wish.

 

[earl]

LOL
ABC, Listverse, Wikipedia and News.com.
Do you want to quote any adults?

So only opinion pieces from the NRA count for you. Seriously just stop - you are miles away from being able to rationally discuss this issue.

 

[Munk]

LOL
ABC, Listverse, Wikipedia and News.com.
Do you want to quote any adults?

So only opinion pieces from the NRA count for you. Seriously just stop - you are miles away from being able to rationally discuss this issue.

Is the US DOJ an NRA opinion piece? What about the FBI? Forbes? Washington Post?
Your ignorance and lack of comprehension mixed with your hatred and low IQ are letting you down. I know you are young but you can not go through life with this level of pig headedness and naievity. Time to grow up son. People think differently to you and you need to get over it.