Another failed year

[cochise]

I was their and didnt here anyone booing the team off at HT or FT.

Why do people keep saying this happened - did the TV pretend that happened ?

Booing came through my speakers
Maybe the broadcasters added it ..
Wouldn’t surprise me

The refs were booed

 

[Shaggytiger1]

Look the future in the face Madge. Get rid of our senior citizens and over paid has beens or never were.
How are our young guys going to be inspired when the guys that should be leading the way are the ones that continually let us down.
Get rid of them in a fire sale if you have to and buy us a true leader and a couple of guys willing to have a go.
I would rather watch them go down fighting than watch the turnstile defence our current leaders are dishing up. To say they are inept is being way too generous.

 

[tig_prmz]

It’s sad to think we could finally rid ourselves of big contracts, Madge has the money to go out and sign the players he feels he needs, only for him to get sacked 12 months later, and suddenly we’re back to square one with a new coach biding his time till the money he needs can be free so he can go out and can the players he needs. And so on and so on.

.. yeh it's all a bit of "seen this story before"

I think we need to invest on good coaches from grassroots up. Storm/Panthers have produced a lot of great coaches and that's what Madge needs to do as well.

I don't think the issue is in the HQ/board or out on the field. It's what's happening at training. We need to hire a great team of assistant coaches, mind coaches, sports psychologists etc that will be here for the long run and work with all the current as well as new recruits.

 

[Fade.To.Black]

I was their and didnt here anyone booing the team off at HT or FT.

Why do people keep saying this happened - did the TV pretend that happened ?

The crowd were booing at halftime but it was obviously directed at the pathetic refereeing we copped. Yvonne Sampson stupidly stated that the crowd was booing our players off the field.

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

I was in favour of not paying players to play for other clubs. But honestly, I am now totally on the other side of that coin. The attitudes of some of our players is awful and infects the squad. I would honestly prefer we ship them all off to other clubs, even if we have to pay for 60-70% of their salaries.

Michael Chee Kam, Russell Packer, Moses Mbye, Josh Reynolds and Luke Brooks.

With the exception of Reynolds, these guys are perennial losers. I love Luke Brooks, but we really do need a fresh start, one where none of the old losers are around. Play a team full of talented kids with guys like Twal and Aloiai as their leaders. Let them build their own culture instead of having our perpetual losers (Benji included) showing them how to be a Wests Tiger.

 

[Snake]

Was it not a criteria that Pascoe stated that a top 8 finish was imperative in 2020.. How's that going and I am keen to see his response in the end .

 

[Russell]

I think fans just need to adjust their expectations, as we're still suffering from an accumulation of effects - from poor governance of the past- in which the recovery process will take some time.
We have a unique and very complex set of challenges with its own limitations, and there are few options and solutions available to us right at this minute.

We're going in the right direction but it requires a little patience, as otherwise you'll be feeling a bit let down each and every time any structural issues in our foundations(club and team level) are revealed.
There's no magic wand just progressive actions to help overturn or correct/alleviate these problem areas.

We've brought Madge, Hartigan and Gray into our systems which is indicative of positive leadership changes from our administration. Now we wait out to see how this seeps down at team level, and despite the failure of consistently achieving better results or performances, we do know Madge has personally promoted standards to the group...this is where it begins.

Please do not take this the wrong way but fans just need to get real. We're never gonna be at elite level with our current playing group and we need show some patience.


9 years of no Semis is a fair degree of patience though Lauren, in regards to the poor governance, we’ve had the same CEO for over 5 years, is he accountable?

No

 

[Russell]

I would love to see some pace being bought into this squad. We are desperately slow.

I know he’s not a winger, but when your winger takes an intercept the way Talau did, he should score.

He was slow as all hell.

But fast for a centre.

 

[Russell]

Maguire picks the side ...when you see the arm out from Benji ..seriously why bring him back .....

He contradicts himself ..says he isn't accepting mediocrity ..then repicks the bloke who lets in two tries v the Dogs

Reynolds may not have Benji skill but he would have put his ass on line ...and probably get injured for 6-8 weeks

That's what has got to me about Madge at this point...and I am fan.

But he has spat out so many "tough talk" lines...that he contradicts by his actions a game later. Finally we had a coach with the gonads to drop Marshall for good...only to bring him back and watch him be even worse.

And yet people on here want to re sign Marshall on the cheap for next year ???
Let Madge have a major clean out at years end
No more re signing nuffies
I would rather new nuffies then the ones we have got
Move Packer, Reynolds, Mbye on and get as much as we can
Say goodbye to Marshall Lawrence Jennings MCK McQueen Taylor Seyfarth and Clark
Get at least two top line players and 2 consistent 1st graders
The rest can be the best youth we can find
I'll give Madge the opportunity to clean out the garbage and fill the team with his players
Then I would hold him more accountability
He still has Ivan's mess to clean up

I think we should have an auction of Wests Tigers Nuffies.

What we get, we should be able to fill the spots with youngsters - at least they'll want to play.

 

[gallagher]

Was it not a criteria that Pascoe stated that a top 8 finish was imperative in 2020.. How's that going and I am keen to see his response in the end .

He also said they weren't prepared to let another season slide when they sacked Taylor. That was 4 slides ago, maybe we should ride the teacups next.

 

[weststigers]

The club needs to take our identity seriously, because right now it's a mish mash.

What are fans and players expected to stand for? 4 home grounds, new jerseys every year, new coaches every couple of years?

**First** - We need one home ground - I don't care where that is, but it needs to be ours. I reckon half the time we get pumped at Leichhardt is because of the build up of expectation...it adds so much pressure to the game to perform at Leichhardt...it's now counterproductive. Same with Campbelltown.

**Second** - pick a home and away jersey and run with it...one predominately black and one predominately orange. We don't need to change it every year. Get member input, make a choice and leave it alone!

I find it hilarious that we put the tiger and magpie on the jersey for tradition, yet change the kit each year. WT need to build their own tradition and it starts with a recognisable kit that doesn't change each season.

**Third** - Pick the coach and let him assemble his team and implement his changes. The only caveat being board approval for long-term, big money deals like Mbye, Packer etc.

**Fourth** - What brand of football are we going to play? What can you expect when you play the Wests Tigers? Right now, no one knows. I don't care whether it's attack based or defence based...just find a style and build the team to suit that style...just don't build a game plan based on defence and expect guys like Marshall to make the tackles that need to be made - he didn't make the tackles in 2005 and he won't be making them now.

Sheens won us a premiership with a team choc full of nuffies barring a few key players based on attack. He didn't try to sugar coat it...he was all in on the method and worked to his strengths.

The above is a start, but if we want players to want to play for the jersey and the club, we need to stand for something and give them something to play for.

 

[bigsiro]

The club needs to take our identity seriously, because right now it's a mish mash.

What are fans and players expected to stand for? 4 home grounds, new jerseys every year, new coaches every couple of years?

**First** - We need one home ground - I don't care where that is, but it needs to be ours. I reckon half the time we get pumped at Leichhardt is because of the build up of expectation...it adds so much pressure to the game to perform at Leichhardt...it's now counterproductive. Same with Campbelltown.

**Second** - pick a home and away jersey and run with it...one predominately black and one predominately orange. We don't need to change it every year. Get member input, make a choice and leave it alone!

I find it hilarious that we put the tiger and magpie on the jersey for tradition, yet change the kit each year. WT need to build their own tradition and it starts with a recognisable kit that doesn't change each season.

**Third** - Pick the coach and let him assemble his team and implement his changes. The only caveat being board approval for long-term, big money deals like Mbye, Packer etc.

**Fourth** - What brand of football are we going to play? What can you expect when you play the Wests Tigers? Right now, no one knows. I don't care whether it's attack based or defence based...just find a style and build the team to suit that style...just don't build a game plan based on defence and expect guys like Marshall to make the tackles that need to be made - he didn't make the tackles in 2005 and he won't be making them now.

Sheens won us a premiership with a team choc full of nuffies barring a few key players based on attack. He didn't try to sugar coat it...he was all in on the method and worked to his strengths.

The above is a start, but if we want players to want to play for the jersey and the club, we need to stand for something and give them something to play for.

Brilliant

 

[gallagher]

The club needs to take our identity seriously, because right now it's a mish mash.

What are fans and players expected to stand for? 4 home grounds, new jerseys every year, new coaches every couple of years?

**First** - We need one home ground - I don't care where that is, but it needs to be ours. I reckon half the time we get pumped at Leichhardt is because of the build up of expectation...it adds so much pressure to the game to perform at Leichhardt...it's now counterproductive. Same with Campbelltown.

**Second** - pick a home and away jersey and run with it...one predominately black and one predominately orange. We don't need to change it every year. Get member input, make a choice and leave it alone!

I find it hilarious that we put the tiger and magpie on the jersey for tradition, yet change the kit each year. WT need to build their own tradition and it starts with a recognisable kit that doesn't change each season.

**Third** - Pick the coach and let him assemble his team and implement his changes. The only caveat being board approval for long-term, big money deals like Mbye, Packer etc.

**Fourth** - What brand of football are we going to play? What can you expect when you play the Wests Tigers? Right now, no one knows. I don't care whether it's attack based or defence based...just find a style and build the team to suit that style...just don't build a game plan based on defence and expect guys like Marshall to make the tackles that need to be made - he didn't make the tackles in 2005 and he won't be making them now.

Sheens won us a premiership with a team choc full of nuffies barring a few key players based on attack. He didn't try to sugar coat it...he was all in on the method and worked to his strengths.

The above is a start, but if we want players to want to play for the jersey and the club, we need to stand for something and give them something to play for.

Great post.
This is our identity. Half way between everything.

 

[Sart0ri]

Game 1 2019
1 Thompson
2 Fonua
3 Momo
4 Masters
5 Jennings
6 Marshall
7 Brooks
8 Matalino
9 Farah
10 Twal
11 Matterson
12 Garner
13 Taylor

14 Packer
15 Mikaele
16 Aloiai
17 Chee-Kam

7 of these guys are no longer at the club
Another 3 (Jennings, Taylor, Chee-Kam) are not in the top 21
Others in this team have been dropped for periods

There has been a huge amount of change.

We are currently handicapped by a fine and some contracts that for whatever reason have not had the value the staff expected.

If we pay 50% of Packer's, Mbye's and Reynold's salary for them to play at another club, we will be handicapped by $1.1M next year.

To get good, hard working, <28yo players that are not always suspended or broken, we will have to pay overs.

As an example say Roosters get a 20% discount on players because they have a good system and they win, their 2021 salary cap is equivalent to $11.88M.

Tigers have to pay 20% overs and if we are paying 50% of Packer's, Mbye's and Reynold's salary for them to play at another club. Our salary cap would be equivalent to $6.82M.

I know everyone is angry and wants to vent but "Change everything" and "Move on players at any cost" is just asking for a lot more years of pain.

Madge isn't perfect and some of his decisions are questionable if you don't have the same information that he does.

It doesn't matter how long you have been waiting to see your team play finals football, the club has a good plan and is moving forward. The way the salary cap works is stacked against the bottom 8 teams so it is very difficult to change from a losing team to a winning one.

 

[jadtiger]

Game 1 2019
1 Thompson
2 Fonua
3 Momo
4 Masters
5 Jennings
6 Marshall
7 Brooks
8 Matalino
9 Farah
10 Twal
11 Matterson
12 Garner
13 Taylor

14 Packer
15 Mikaele
16 Aloiai
17 Chee-Kam

7 of these guys are no longer at the club
Another 3 (Jennings, Taylor, Chee-Kam) are not in the top 21
Others in this team have been dropped for periods

There has been a huge amount of change.

We are currently handicapped by a fine and some contracts that for whatever reason have not had the value the staff expected.

If we pay 50% of Packer's, Mbye's and Reynold's salary for them to play at another club, we will be handicapped by $1.1M next year.

To get good, hard working, <28yo players that are not always suspended or broken, we will have to pay overs.

As an example say Roosters get a 20% discount on players because they have a good system and they win, their 2021 salary cap is equivalent to $11.88M.

Tigers have to pay 20% overs and if we are paying 50% of Packer's, Mbye's and Reynold's salary for them to play at another club. Our salary cap would be equivalent to $6.82M.

I know everyone is angry and wants to vent but "Change everything" and "Move on players at any cost" is just asking for a lot more years of pain.

Madge isn't perfect and some of his decisions are questionable if you don't have the same information that he does.

It doesn't matter how long you have been waiting to see your team play finals football, the club has a good plan and is moving forward. The way the salary cap works is stacked against the bottom 8 teams so it is very difficult to change from a losing team to a winning one.

An excellent logical post.

 

[Vouggers]

Move to Perth
Start fresh

Stop it.

Nah it would be good
NRL kicks in 20 Mil
One home ground
West’s Tigers Forum could charter flights
Still get to see them play in Sydney against Parra / Souths / Chooks etc

I don't like you, you used to be cool

Don’t you live in Perth ?

Maybe the Balmain side of this club is the PROBLEM.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Game 1 2019
1 Thompson
2 Fonua
3 Momo
4 Masters
5 Jennings
6 Marshall
7 Brooks
8 Matalino
9 Farah
10 Twal
11 Matterson
12 Garner
13 Taylor

14 Packer
15 Mikaele
16 Aloiai
17 Chee-Kam

7 of these guys are no longer at the club
Another 3 (Jennings, Taylor, Chee-Kam) are not in the top 21
Others in this team have been dropped for periods

There has been a huge amount of change.

We are currently handicapped by a fine and some contracts that for whatever reason have not had the value the staff expected.

If we pay 50% of Packer's, Mbye's and Reynold's salary for them to play at another club, we will be handicapped by $1.1M next year.

To get good, hard working, <28yo players that are not always suspended or broken, we will have to pay overs.

As an example say Roosters get a 20% discount on players because they have a good system and they win, their 2021 salary cap is equivalent to $11.88M.

Tigers have to pay 20% overs and if we are paying 50% of Packer's, Mbye's and Reynold's salary for them to play at another club. Our salary cap would be equivalent to $6.82M.

I know everyone is angry and wants to vent but "Change everything" and "Move on players at any cost" is just asking for a lot more years of pain.

Madge isn't perfect and some of his decisions are questionable if you don't have the same information that he does.

It doesn't matter how long you have been waiting to see your team play finals football, the club has a good plan and is moving forward. The way the salary cap works is stacked against the bottom 8 teams so it is very difficult to change from a losing team to a winning one.

Great post mate ! We will figure it out . I honestly think the right edge has to change . Blore to the left , next to brooks . Joey on the other side of brooks , luci next to Mbye our new 6 (see how it Goes) , and Talau and Nofa on the right .
It can’t be any worse than it is right now . And you maintain the leilua separation , put a hit man next to brooks , whose apparent best attribute is how he hits holes, and you put defence on the right , with speed , and aggression and youth.
I hate team tinkering , but we can’t keep putting ourselves in a 20 point hole due to horrid defence , which everyone has figured out now.
All of our losses are because of this. Then it’s catch up footy , or , a avalanche of penalties /6 again because we are doing everything to shift the momentum .

 

[avocadoontoast]

Was it not a criteria that Pascoe stated that a top 8 finish was imperative in 2020.. How's that going and I am keen to see his response in the end .

He also said they weren't prepared to let another season slide when they sacked Taylor. That was 4 slides ago, maybe we should ride the teacups next.

Yet apparently he’s not accountable in any way..

 

[twentyforty]

I think fans just need to adjust their expectations, as we're still suffering from an accumulation of effects - from poor governance of the past- in which the recovery process will take some time.
We have a unique and very complex set of challenges with its own limitations, and there are few options and solutions available to us right at this minute.

We're going in the right direction but it requires a little patience, as otherwise you'll be feeling a bit let down each and every time any structural issues in our foundations(club and team level) are revealed.
There's no magic wand just progressive actions to help overturn or correct/alleviate these problem areas.

We've brought Madge, Hartigan and Gray into our systems which is indicative of positive leadership changes from our administration. Now we wait out to see how this seeps down at team level, and despite the failure of consistently achieving better results or performances, we do know Madge has personally promoted standards to the group...this is where it begins.

Please do not take this the wrong way but fans just need to get real. We're never gonna be at elite level with our current playing group and we need show some patience.


Agree 100% Lauren. Big wheels turn slowly. My time horizon for higher expectation is 3 years from now when the CoE is fully operational, we still have the same coaching team, we have a very professional board and a team in the top 4 which is competitive in every game.

Big wheels keep on turning

Proud Madge keeps on burning

Rollin ...rollin ......rollin onto 13th

Makes you wonder how Tim Sheens conjured up a gf . He was truly remarkable.

Seems the more one analyses this situation the more confusing it becomes. The expert commentators in the msm and others, told us The new drill Sargent type coach was just what WT needed. Now those same experts are saying he’s too hard and he’s chopping and changing and he’s whatever?
So then we are delivered a constant flurry of happy players behaving like toddlers the night before Xmas.
The coaching job at WT is a tough gig, so many before Madge have found it impossible.
Actually, Tim Sheens left a lasting legacy if we care to learn from experience.
Our 2005 remarkable victory was provided by the players themselves. They made the decision to play like a committed team. We don’t need a uni degree in sports psychology to know that.

 

[tiga4eva]

Game 1 2019
1 Thompson
2 Fonua
3 Momo
4 Masters
5 Jennings
6 Marshall
7 Brooks
8 Matalino
9 Farah
10 Twal
11 Matterson
12 Garner
13 Taylor

14 Packer
15 Mikaele
16 Aloiai
17 Chee-Kam

7 of these guys are no longer at the club
Another 3 (Jennings, Taylor, Chee-Kam) are not in the top 21
Others in this team have been dropped for periods

There has been a huge amount of change.

We are currently handicapped by a fine and some contracts that for whatever reason have not had the value the staff expected.

If we pay 50% of Packer's, Mbye's and Reynold's salary for them to play at another club, we will be handicapped by $1.1M next year.

To get good, hard working, <28yo players that are not always suspended or broken, we will have to pay overs.

As an example say Roosters get a 20% discount on players because they have a good system and they win, their 2021 salary cap is equivalent to $11.88M.

Tigers have to pay 20% overs and if we are paying 50% of Packer's, Mbye's and Reynold's salary for them to play at another club. Our salary cap would be equivalent to $6.82M.

I know everyone is angry and wants to vent but "Change everything" and "Move on players at any cost" is just asking for a lot more years of pain.

Madge isn't perfect and some of his decisions are questionable if you don't have the same information that he does.

It doesn't matter how long you have been waiting to see your team play finals football, the club has a good plan and is moving forward. The way the salary cap works is stacked against the bottom 8 teams so it is very difficult to change from a losing team to a winning one.

And it’s obvious, as we have the longest Semi Final drought, that our Management have found it way more difficult than others.